This is the FCB Podcast Network. Great when the trunk John foot Change said, top n we don't listen to y'all. This the out We don't listen to y'all. This the hotel. Make them scream out. Now, I gotta sound off because the rockets in the Crown. Tune in the charge for the outdo tuned in the Charge for the out Welcome to the Outlaws. This is Darthy O the King Vidmorrow alongside Robert O'Malley and Tay Brian. Don't forget too. Like us on Facebook at facebook dot com slash b our Laws Radio. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the out Laws of Radio. We taped the interview earlier and we're gonna get to it just a little bit. But first, miss O'Malley, we've had an adventure at the beginning of this show, haven't we. Uh huh? We shared it. Let me tell you, and y'all be thinking my TV hot like this one, y'all. I'm gonna let you continued, Garvey, yall, I'm gonna let you continue. Yeah. We uh, y'all, y'all hear all that attitude that she got her foot straight down. We gonna we're gonna explain that a little bit. But first, miss O'Malley, how are you? You know what? I'm actually really good. I'm taking the weekend off from work, so I am ecstatic about that because, like I told y'all last week, my baby turns ten this Sunday. So we're about to party. We're gonna be out here, have you good time. So but I am good. How are you? I'm good? I'm good. Y'all gonna be popping bottles of fruit punch all over the pues, eating the kids snacks and whatnot because we want to know where we can get free fruit snacks. Well, Dante, I think you won't punishment right now, I can still come get some fruit snacks. You better come with the box, right you can't let me starve. Rob don't show up with out a box of proof snacks. Now this is now. Let me explain to the audience with y'all hearing right now. See, before this show started, we could not find danje. Now we know, we know that that's unusual. He's he's a solid brother. He's not somebody that's just gonna just not show up and not hear from him or nothing. So we like, where is he so we we did this interview that you're gonna hear in a little bit because we want to keep the guests waving. But then afterwards, I'm like, yo, we're still let her from Dote and Robie like I hope you all right. And so when she said that, I'm like, damn, you know what, I hope he is all right. I'm like, let me try to call this fool again. I'm trying to call him here in his house. Sleep knocked out, Okay, we normally just a little inside baseball off everybody. We normally try to meet, you know, seven thirty on Fridays, right, so, I you know, got home, took a load off for a second, was like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a quick nap. It was like six o three. It was like, I'm gonna just take a quick nap. I'll be all right. I'm not really that sleepy. The famous last words before you wake up late. Okay, famous last words before you wake up completely. If my if Darbio wouldn't have pulled the trick of the sentry and face timmed me so the phone would actually ring, I will still be sleep Because it was silent and it's over. Okay. I that's my bad. Robin. Please stop being mad because Robin, Robin got that mom energy. Man. I hope we ain't dead on the side of the road. Man's like everything possible went through my head and like, you know what. That's why I told Dante y'all that I'm gonna need his mama's phone number because I'm gonna call her and I'm gonna be like, is that tell? Okay? Okay, he just sleep. But that's not the first thought that goes through something. I mean, it was like the third thought. Now mind you just to just to tell the audience. So Dante told y'all, we normally will take the show around seven thirty. Now he said he went to sleep at six. It is currently eight forty four. While we're as we're picking back up the oh yeah, recording yourself. I told him I was on pace too. That was about to be one of those if we didn't have to show them, like let's say it was a Saturday or a thirst day, it was gonna be one of those times where you think you're about to sleep, maybe just take a quick name app and get up and then do what you gotta do. For the rest of the night, and then you wake up at like ten or twelve and you have no idea what day it is. You've been sleep you got nothing done, so now you upset and you don't you ever noticed that you will take a quick nap, you'll wake up you have that'll be some of the greatest sleep ever because you didn't realize you were sleep for seven hours. Wake up because you're like, man, I wanted to do X, Y and Z and I couldn't get it done. That's why I don't like to take it. I'm that tired. I'm tired. I'm just gonna take it on. I ain't tired, I ain't exactly very like. That's why I like taking naps. Like that's very old man of you, Dante. I love taking naps. Well, I don't like because I think I don't like taking naps. And this is why, because I think a lot of us, including me, we function tired because we just have a lot of stuff to do, and we be tired a lot of times. You don't know how tired you really are until you go to sleep, and a cat a cat nap will turn into Dante. That's why I don't I love the feeling of napping, but it never turns into a nap. It's always longer than it's supposed to be. Yeah, I will sit up and nap all afternoon if I had nothing going. I remember saying, I think it was a Dell Givings on the On a Deaf Comedy Jam special, and she was talking about getting older. She said, you have to took a nap that was so long that you had to wake up to get ready for bed, like you had to get out of bed ready for bed. You're like, damn, And then you can't go to bed though, like because then now you're done slept the whole day. And I hate that because I'll go to sleep, I'll take that nap, wake up, oh damn, it's such and such a time, and then go to sleep. And at three o'clock in the morning, I'm wide away. It's like damn, yep, you take go back. Then then I ain't going back to sleep until like five or six, and then you gotta start your day. At that point, if your whole sleep schedule or whatever, if you end up doing something that'll mess your whole entire sleep pattern, because if you do that on like a Tuesday, and you end up having to stay up it's four Like let's say it's four o'clock and you wake up, Well, you can't go back to sleep right now, you gotta go to work and so now, but then by two pm you're done, Yeah you did. You can't go this because I'm you know, to finish out to the eight hours at work. Then you come home thinking and if you go to sleep again, it's gonna be the same thing. So you either got to force yourself to stay up or just ruin your whole sleep schedule for the whole week, right right, exactly, all right. So on that note, yes, ladies and gentlemen, we found you could put down the search lights. We found Dante, we found where he was at Ladies and gentleman. So on that note, we have a special interview that we're gonna get to right now. We have a very special guest on the show today. This brother is dealing with some serious things that I think we definitely need to bring some more attention to. So first Carbon, Mike, welcome to the show. How you doing. Sorry, everything is good, brother, How you doing? I'm all right, I'm all right, man. So first, before we get into the nitty gritty. Tell everybody a little bit about yourself. Sure. My real name is Jaxter Taylor. I'm a software engineer, been in the business almost thirty years. I'm I'm a father. I'm an amateur radio operator, licensed call sign Katie two lo Om. I'm a lifelong New Yorker and for the past few years now, I have also been kind of a conservative commentator online, you know, posting things as carbon Mike and doing podcasts. The founder of the Foundationist Society and the State of New York thinks I'm a dangerous felon. All right, let's talk about that, man. Just start from the top. What's going on, yes, sir? So A few years ago, I became interested in gunsmithing and I realized, I don't know how it was that some of these people started to come into my YouTube feed, but I realized that there were people out there who were actually building their own firearms. So they would buy what we're called eighty percent receivers, they'd machined them to completion, you know, in their own machine shop, and then they'd add parts and they'd have a finished firearm. And I remember, you know, I started watching these videos and I was hooked, and I said, I've got to get into this, and so I started buying parts online. You know, fun fact, I have a machine shop in my basement. Among other things, I build furniture. And I started getting parts and putting things together and teaching myself this craft. And again I thought that was just the coolest, most traditional thing you could possibly do. And of course, this was as far as I knew legal, because one I was not and I am not a prohibited person. I have a squeaky clean record, and I was not buying anything that well. First, I wasn't using any subterfuge to buy anything. I was using my own name and my credit cards and what have you. And I was buying parts that were that were not classified by the government as firearms. I knew that much. So anyway, did for a while built a handful of glock style pistols, and then moved on to AR fifteen rifles, and I built eight what I think of very sexy rifles. And I also started to realize that as I got deeper into this culture of these people across the country who were kind of tinkering with weapons and testing things and doing product reviews and what have you, I realized that this was this was potentially a chance for me to kind of start a second career. Like I told you before, I've been in the software industry since about nineteen ninety four. Yeah, I taught myself C plus plus a million years ago and got started in the industry around that time. And I love my work, right, but it's also true that I'm getting kind of old for this industry. And I also again really liked making things and building things. I was always a tinker. I was one of those nerdy kids when I was growing up, and I started to be really inspired by people in the industry who had come up in the same way. There's a guy named Bill Geisley. He has a company called Guisly Automatics. He got his first contract with the US Army when they were at a shooting competition and someone he showed some guy, an Army soldier, the trigger he was using. He's like, yeah, I made this trigger. Next thing, you know, the guy introduced him to his commanding officer and he's got a contract with the Army Sharp Shooting Team. Anyway, long story short. In April of twenty twenty two, I was raided by a joint NYPD SWAT and ATF Task Force, and you know, they ransacked my house, took my weapons, took a lot of my tools, and took me off to Rikers Island, where I spent a week. My bail was set at two hundred thousand dollars, and luckily my ex wife found me a really good lawyer, Venue Varghese of Varghese and Associates. And when he came to visit me at Rikers, he said, yeah, I really I really like this case. You know, let's let's let's fight this thing. And he and I both saw it as a civil rights issue. So that's where we are now. We're fighting the case. We filed a motion to dismiss the case on Bruin grounds because I don't dismiss any of the facts. These were my weapons. I built them, I bought the tools. I bought the weapons. I bought the gunpowder, I bought the I bought the brass, I brought the projectiles, I bought the primers. These were that's my equipment, right. But what I am contending is that if the Bruin has made very clear that the right to keep in bear arms means what it says, and So my contention is that you can't possibly say that I'm a felon when one, I haven't posed any threat to public order and I'm quietly at home minding my business and manufacturing weapons that the Constitution, the law of the land says I have a right to have. So that's it. So what was what was the charge? What was the charge that they were that they're bringing you up on felony weapons possession. There are probably others in the document, but that's the main thing, felony weapons and of course multiple counts because again I made eight rifles and a handful of pistols, So they're saying that it was illegal to have those guns in your possession, even though you were the one that made them. Yes, sir, that's exactly what they're saying. And there's also some interesting things baked into the law. For example, if you have an operable weapon, I had a few rounds, I should I should back up and say that at the time I was rated, I was also a member in good standing of the West Side Rifle and Pistol Range in Manhattan, so obviously I cleared their background check, that's the first thing. And I was also taken a course online called Rocket FFL because I thought, listen, eventually, if I, if I eventually want to do this thing for a profession, I have to become a Federal Firearms licensee. So I signed up for this course where I learned about the different kinds of FFL licenses. I learned about sots, learned about all these things because I was I had all these dreams of like going to some place, you know, with a lot of woods and open buying some land in New Hampshire, whatever, setting up a gun lab, setting up a gun range, and really at bringing my software expertise kind of in melding that with my interest in weapons, because there's all these cool things you can do in terms of well, I wonder who's making automatic brass inspection equipment so that older guys who do handloads can inspect their brass even if their eyes aren't that good. I was, I was. I was drawing up plans in my design notebook for for dry fire training systems that included kind of software and hardware and metrics and data and things like that, because again, that's that's my house, that's where I come from. But yeah, that's it. I wasn't I wasn't talking about weapons online. I wasn't sharing pictures online, and I wasn't kind of I wasn't manifesting any kind of crazy energy online either. And of course the State of New York knows this because they seized my phone, they kept it, They cloned my phone, so they know my call history. They seized two of my computers, including my daily driver. They subpoened my email records. Gmail told me about that after the fact that they had actually gone through me, so they know that I'm actually what I say I am. You know, I'm like a middle aged IT nerd who got fascinated by firearms, right, right, So, as you have major case made that defense, has there been any response from them to your your defense? What do they have to say about you know, what you're allegend, which is essentially that your constitutional rights are being violated? Well, so far, you know, we haven't gotten into the the the All the back and forth has been administrative back and forth between like my legal team, the DA and the court. Right so you know, there has been no trial yetting and this this this kicked off in April of twenty twenty two, and so far it's just been one court appearance after another, and a lot of procedural hurdles. We The first thing is that my legal team filed a freedom of information request with the NYPD for their permitting data, because of course there is a pattern, there's a long standing pattern of not only corruption but kind of outright you could say, malfeasance on the part of the permitting division in terms of these how can you say arbitrary rules in terms of who's allowed to get a permit right And remember, and of course my issue wasn't permitting because I wasn't carrying weapons in the street. They were all in my house. But my legal team wanted to show how deeply flawed the permitting process in New York City was, so we filed freedom information request. The NYPD slow walked that data for a few months. When we finally got the data, I wrote the software to kind of to kind of analyze that data so my team, my legal team could get the analytics from it and write that up as part of the UH as part of our case. But the most they've had to say is, uh, we have an offer for you. They made an offer of a plea deal of eight years instead of eighteen and of course that turned them down. But so that that's that's mostly what they've had to say from then until now, right, right, I mean, that's that's kind of audacious there. It is them to be in the space that they're in and then say, oh, well, we'll just offer you eight years. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And I think and I started to cush you off. I think I think one of the it seems to me that one of the issues here is that, look, New York State has gotten away with violating the Second Amendment for decades. Now. I mean, I think the Sullivan Act, which was New York's I believe it was New York's first gun control law, was signed in nineteen eleven, if I'm not mistaken. And so the people, I get it that many of the people in the system, many and many of the people in kind of municipal governance have been kind of in this comfortable ideological pocket for a long time. Okay, But the fact is that we've had a ruling from the highest court in the land. We've had a ruling that says the highest law in the land says what it says, right, and New York. The response from New York state has to has been to pretend that either they can't read the law or they don't care about the law. And I think that they might be thinking, the state might be thinking that, you know, by throwing this large number of years at me, that I just buckle and say, okay, I'll take the and be like kind of grateful to take the plea deal. But the fact is I have not done anything wrong. And look, I don't want to go to prison, I really don't. But if they if they want to go through with this, then my objective is to make sure that everyone everyone is paying attention to what they're doing, because I think that that for a very long time, these kind of liberal, progressive kind of political centers have gotten a lot of have have made a lot of electoral noise and a lot of political noise about how there's all these murderous white supremacists waiting around the corner to lynch us and only they can protect us, and thus and so and what have you. And it's like, okay, well you if you all really believe that, then why are you defying the highest court in the land in order to disarm people? And if you really cared about wealth, you'fredicated about the welfare of black folks in New York City, for example, Right then, why are you trivializing crime and yet criminalizing something that is a right guaranteed under the constitution. Everyone who lives in New York knows that they've been playing catch and release with actual violent felons for years. Everyone knows that there's cats running around getting into fistfights with cops, chasing people down the street with weapons, outright attacking people, and walking out of the precinct the same day. And now these the same people who say that they care about black folks welfare, and they say they care about systemic racism. The irony, of course, is that you know, gun control is like almost the prototypical form of systemic racism. Are the same people who care about all this right want to look at me, want to take a law abiding citizen, and they want to do me for eighteen years. I'm like, okay, well, if you're gonna do it, I can't stop you, but I'm going to embarrass you. So that's the mission. Who's the DA that you're dealing with? The DA Let's see the Brooklyn DA is. I think his name is Gonzales. Yeah, I think I think it's a Brooklyn Days Gonzales, if I'm not mistaken, the Brooklyn, the Brooklyn DA. Yes, because I'm I live in Brooklyn. And of course the Attorney General of New York State is I believe Letitia James. Right. Irony on top of irony. Yeah, let's take a look here and see who the who the district's attorney is. Yes, just to be clear, Eric Gonzalez is just in case anybody wants to know, and he will be up for re election in twenty five, twenty forty five. Are you serious? Twenty that would be it? Oh my god, like if New York is living like that? Oh my god. No, I'll tell you right. So, yeah, So his name is er Gonzalez, he's a Democrat, and he'll be up for reelection in twenty twenty five, so just for people know. All right, man, So what do you think? I mean? You know what the out which you want the outcome to be. Is there something that you and your lawyers are prepared to take all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary? Oh? Absolutely absolutely. We've already talked about that. You know the main issue is that I would if possible, of course. I mean, let me back up a second. We don't have very much confidence that we will prevail on the constitutional merits at the at this local level. Right, It's just the again, the the ideological pocket that these people are in is too deep, right, and it's and we've seen that it's been like that in other states around the country that have traditionally had these draconian anti Second Amendment laws, and they do everything in their power to refrain from obeying the law of the land. And I think New York State is no exception. So we uh from the very beginning, we understood that we would have to fight this thing up through the system and possibly go all the way to the Supreme Court. We also have no doubt that we we can win, that we will win on the merits at that level, because it's again, the law could not be clearer, right, The Bruin ruling was very tightly written. It could not be clearer. And you know, one might argue, I mean, here, you know, I'm not a lawyer, so take it with the greenest salt. One might argue that the public has a compelling interest in keeping a firearm out of the hands of say a violent felon. Again, that is a that is a debatable matter. For example, if someone has already paid their debt to society, Okay, but you could you could argue that that's arguable. I don't believe it is arguable that the state has an interest in locking up a law abiding citizen simply for quietly exercising his Second Amendment rights at home and mining his business. I just I can't see it. And again, you know, some of the things I'm saying, you can't necessarily make these arguments in court. But the argument of you know, how come, for example, the two people who threw a lip Molotov cocktail into a parked police unit. I believe this was the summer of twenty twenty got one year a piece. You know what I'm saying. We can name any number of cases, right, I mean, people who New Yorkers know about this stuff, right, So so yeah, we're prepared to take it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary. And in the meantime, it would be nice, uh, it would be it would be a very good thing to get bail on appeals so that I don't have to kind of languish in prison while the case is being fought up through uh up through the appeals system. But of course I don't have very much control over that. So of course the best outcome would be for the State of New York to drop these charges and give me my equipment back right right Talking with carbon Mike Robin, I know you had a good question. It was a really good one. Go ahead, if I can get my mic to unmute, go there you go. So you know this is I'm gonna try to ask this in the best way possible. Well, like what as far as like in the courts and the justice system, what like what about like a deal that you know, would they be willing have you have your attorney thought like maybe to bring that up, like about a deal to work with the government to be a professional in that area, you know, like a win win because in my personal opinion, like why we why put such talent to waste? You know what I mean. It's very funny that you say that because one of the things in my design notebook was a a theoretical framework for weapons tuning called CEF cyclic energy flow, and the idea behind that is that a semi automatic rifle is essentially a circuit, but it's a mass flow circuit, and so you can apply a handful of the theory is that you can apply a handful of electrical engineering principles to this mass flow circuit and do some mass and given given some initial values like your projectile weight and your powder charge and what have you, you can begin to uh uh roughly figure out what masses and weights and spring tensions you need, what kind of parts you need right to give you a weapon that will roughly be tuned. Because auto some automatic weapons have to be tuned. There's a lot going on, and there's like a bolt that goes back and there's a spring that you know, pushes it back in position, doesn't so, and so one of the things I was thinking was that, you know, when I when I figured out how to get a piece of land and build my lab, it's like that people like, for example, state police departments would be some of my first clients. So it's funny you say that. Yeah, And plus, of course, I love I love explaining stuff, I love teaching stuff. I love talking about these concepts, and and I think, yeah, there there are a few things in my design note book that I think law enforcement departments would find useful just as a technical matter. We haven't talked about that, and I don't think that's I mean that, you know, that would be. That would be up to my lawyer what he thinks is the right way to approach it in terms of talking to these people. But I'm pretty sure you don't go from we're gonna lock you up to fifteen for eighteen years to hey, come and work with us, you know, that would be, that would be nice, But I don't think. I don't think it's going to happen. Yeah, And it's the same too, because I think you're right. I think I think, I mean, look, I think this whole, this whole unconstitutional, this whole unlawful regime is, among other things, a waste of talent, not just my talent, but American talent in general. You know, one thing that struck me when I started looking at this stuff and researching it and looking at YouTube and you know, all all the gun tubers there who are doing kind of parts reviews and performance testing what have you, is that this is one of the few remaining kind of American cottage industries left. You know, like, uh, it was really cool to get into this thing and start buying parts and start talking to people, some of whom actually made the parts I was trying to use. Do you know what I'm saying? You know, I actually got on a phone call with the with the head guy down to cry have a tactical when I was building Mars, which was my which was my my takedown hunting rifle. That is, when I say takedown, it's a hunting rifle that you can partly disassemble so it will fit in the backpack. You know. I was talking with this guy about his history as as a satellite tech and and and all the cool stuff he used to do. Talking to this guy who out in I think it's Tennessee who worked for this who had this company. You found the company called Rifle Speed and it was making these things called adjustable gas blocks. And then I told them I was an amateur radio operator. Was like, hey, I'm trying to get into hand radio. What do you suggest about this? And you know, like this, this this pursuit, this craft is really cool. But it's also really one of again, one of the few homegrown industries we have left. And I think there's a lot of there's a lot of room for young people who know how to kind of keep their nose clean and what have you to get into this and and and to get into machining and to get into making parts and to you know, this is there's so much potential energy here. Yeah, And as usual, we have liberal and progressive governments that that would that prefer absolute control and prefer lawlessness right too, to the spirit of this republic. That's you know, it's a shame, but it's how it is. All right. So, as of right now, when are you supposed to go to trial? Uh? A date? I don't believe a date has been set yet. My next appearance. We're waiting for waiting for now is a ruling on our motion, right because again we file the emotion to dismiss on brewing grounds, and so we're waiting to for ruling on that motion. Of course, if if the ruling goes our way, then there is no trial. But then if it doesn't, we'll we'll we'll know more about what the scheduling is, right, all right, man, Let everybody know if they want to keep in contact with you, you know, your social media handles all that good stuff. Yes, sir, my Twitter handle is future Radio Cast Again. I'm carbon Mic on Twitter. Uh my my gifts and go for my legal defense fund is in my Twitter profile. And I have an Instagram account. I don't maintain it as much as I should, but my Instagram account is foundation Tech and yeah, oh well, my my GitHub account is called binary Machines. So for example, the software the software I used to analyze the data that we got from the NYPD, that's open source, using a bunch of open source tools I developed to do u data handling and data engineering. And again that that's in the Binary Machines account on GitHub. The tools repot is called Mercury, and that specific repository with the with the code we use to analyze permitting data that's called that's called lex. And I have some stuff on YouTube as well, some Foundationist media. If you want to know more about the Foundationist Society, which is you know, our organization and our brand of conservatism, the best place to go is to YouTube and look up the Infinite Jigsaw podcast. Danny Duran over in the UK did a ten part series with me about the Foundationist Manifesto, and I think it's something that a lot of conservatives and liberals, by the way, can can get on board with and that's it all right, man, thanks so much for joining us on the show. Man, appreciate it. And that's the luck to you, brother, Hey, thank you, brother, thank you both. Appreciate it. All right, stay tune. We have more to come here on the Outlaws. These days, it seems like everybody's talking, but no one is actually listening to the things they're saying. Critical thinking isn't dead, but it's definitely low on oxygen. 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Like and when they say mind your business or curiosity kills the cat, things of that sort. You know, things tend to backfire, you know. So Meek Mel decided he was gonna go ahead and speak upon something that's going on in the courts with Young Thug and Lucci. So he said, it should be impossible to charge Thug and Lucci for lyrics because in the studio we all give each other lines and don't remember who said what after a high night in the studio. I have done it with both of them. They both gave me lyrics before we all do this. In my personal opinion, like I said, I feel like he just put his foot in his mouth, Like why would you say that? Like and like on Beyonce's Internet, I mean, I'm just I'm just trying to figure it out. Like you know what, No, you go first, because I'm gathering myself. You go first, I thought with Beyonce. Yeah, you know how I feel about Beyonce. It is her Internet. Okay, So so all right one more time, Like I'm so, I need you to I need you to to to run that back real quick. So there's there's been you know, some things going on. I think that I touched on this story. It may have been last week I got. I'm getting that, you know, middle mid age brain if you But so there's been you know, things going on, you know, and remember we were talking about it DARVYO where I couldn't remember. I'm like, there were so many good things that I wanted to say that was going on, and funny things and about the lawyer, you know, like where he was like he had good comebacks and like, man, that man's really going to get hired on a lot of jobs with a lot of clients. You know, he's good. But so there it's still going on, you know. And so now meet Mail is kind of dipping his nose where it don't belong. I mean, I guess if you can say that because it's on the Internet. But he's speaking on subjects, you know, he's speaking on the subject where it's not really well what he said is not very smart. So I'll repeat that. So then you can run the quote unquote, he said it should be impossible to charge thug and LOOTI for lyrics because in the studio we all give each other lines and we don't remember who said what after a high night in the studio. I have done it with both of them. They both gave me lyrics before we all do this. Yeah, So all right, first of all, shout out to migmeo I uh he uh was uh with the politicians of Pennsylvania today. He got some some reform laws, helped get some reform laws passed. So much respect for that, however, And I agree that I'm not we talked about this before. I'm not a particular fan of people using people's rap lyrics uh to punish in the court. But why the hell would he say that? Though? Like, why would you Why you ain't supposed to tell nobody, right, because they're gonna be like, oh, okay, so it's not his lyrics, So please do tell where did they come from? God? Go ahead, keep your keep certain things. You just got to keep to yourself, right. And this is the thing that we talk about all the time with you know, you know people under thirty five where it's just like you don't have to share everything. You just don't every some things you can just keep to yourself. You could have just you know, I don't know the tenor of the conversation or what he was asked initially, but it's like, you know, you don't have to tell everybody everything, right, you don't have to give everybody a behind the scenes look. Just don't, especially because this prosecutor is trying to use lyrics to charge young stub with certain crime that they're using that as it seems like a good portion of the evidence. Just just just lay low, man, Just you don't have to talk about this situation. Don't, especially because you could end up there to like you just don't know, man, and you've had enough Meek has had enough legal situations in here is life to know, Like, hey, this thing is you know, this thing can turn at the drop of a hat. Like you gotta be really really careful with this. Just be quiet, Like I could just take Dario if you or Robin, if one of y'all is in you know, catch case for anything right round. I'm not comment publicly on it all. I'm saying I got they got my support. I'm supporting them. That's my friend's family. I'm praying for them, right, I'm collect cause though I don't take that cause we're gonna have to work on getting you a prepaid card because collect calls are expensive. Uh, here's something that we can share. Dante is cheap, so we're not crazy. Story here, keep your mouth closed. And if you don't keep your mouth closed and you do end up in prison, called DARVYO first, I probably will because you clearly don't answer your phone. All. Yeah, yeah, we collect call from click. I'm so glad I just learned this lesson when I actually did not actually need you. No, well, you've always known I'm not answering no collect call. Valuable life lesson? You have a collect call from? Oh? No, oh, absolutely not. They got the wrong number. Do you know what, darv Oh, here's the thing he wouldn't have done very well growing up in the time that we grew up. You know, when you had to dial off those payphones. Yeah, and if you ain't have no coins, they had to Yeah, he was charging it to the people who you were calling. You think I'm answering that You honestly think that I'm answering a call where you're gonna charge me over two dollars a minute. Do you really think I will answer that? Rob? You know me for like five years now, you know there's no all right, next, so the next one is, so there is Actually I don't know if everybody knows, but I'll just say it just in case if everybody is not hip. So there was already like a rivalry going between Cardi B and Nicki Minaj for quite some years. I'm going to say about a decade, if not longer. If that seems that sounds about right. Has Cardi even been around at all? Probably hardy, Damn, it's close to No, it's close. It ain't been no decade, but it's close to it. Close when I think like twenty sixteen or twenty fifteen something like that. So yeah, it's close to it. Yeah, it's been a minute. So, you know, cause Nikki was all Nicki's was the it girl, you know what I mean, and then Carti we kind of came out, came out right, and then of course they had some issues with a song at one point and like it kind of went left. So now Cardi B is recently So I don't really know how to lead with this because it's if this tea is a little hot, sizzling, you know. So Cardi B An Offset have been separated for quite some time and nobody knew, you know, they didn't put it out there. Nobody knew that they've been separated, not living in the same household for a couple of months now. And so the reason that that came out is because Cardi B came out on Live saying that because blue Face got sawty. I told you it's gonna go a different way. Blue Face got sauty because Chris Shawn decided to get his face covered up on the front of her neck and she's dating somebody else and ended up getting dudes name put on her rest book. But anyway, so he ended up getting sawty. So I don't know if y'all remember the story where Blue Face popped up at Krishan's house or popped up on Chris Shan at four in the morning to take the baby, uh because and he came out and said, after she got her net covered up, why don't you tell everybody how you was sleeping, how you was f and Cardi B's husband, that's why I popped up on you at four am? What was you doing at four am Monday night, blah blah blah whatever, and so Carti came out and she was like, listen, I don't care, and I don't want to know. I don't care to know. We've been separated for a while. So she came out, and then her and an offset was going on social media like, you know, making the scene, just doing the absolute most, and so Carti goes on Live and she's like, you won't listen to me. So so this is the it's it's messed up that I had to go to the extremes to go to social media to make you hear me, and she like you could hear her voice cracking, where she sounded like she was gonna start crying because she's so angry. And then this is where it goes a little more left. So this is where Nicki Minaj comes in. So Nicki Minaj decided that she was gonna like make a sub about Cardi B's husband, and she posted a picture of Michael Jackson doing this weird, cheesy smile hanging out of a window, out of a car window, and that was a sub about Cardi B's husband. So Cardi B was like, not in the movie because she's already going through it, you know, And she said, I'm really one hundred. Today is not the day take your man to the park and leave me the f alone. Now, if you know, if you know, you know what that means. So now they're coming at each other's husband, at each other about each other's husband, like, so it's like all over the place, and I really don't know, like it's it's insane. But I mean, prayers to Cardi B first and foremost on her mental health with what she's dealing with. But yeah, so Nicki Minaj decided she wanted to be petty. And the thing is also throw this in there. On top of all this. Recently Nicki Minaj dropped her album and like just a few days before that, so she's trying to get clout and that's really where it's kind of all draws in a man, so a lot. Yeah, that was definitely a lot. First of all, lead MJ out of it, MJ, MJ. Don't need to be catching strays, first of all. Second of all, that was extremely petty. The whole thing was petty. Now when she said for take your husband to the park, that was foul. That was foul, and what she was for people who don't know Nicki's husband has a history. I think it's probably the best way to say it out to you know what I'm saying. I don't want to alleged charges right right the history, but yeah, no, this has been going on for a long time, man, and it's it's unfortunate. It almost kind of goes back to the last segment, well, the last topic, when Dante was saying, don't you say everything in public? It's unfortunate man, when you like, because celebrities go through things like everybody else, do you know, you deal with breakups and separations and all of that. It's unfortunate that you have to deal with that in public and in front of everybody, and then get into it with one of your rivals who happens to be one of the most him as women on the planet as well. On top of that, you know, it's just just a lot, just a lot of extra extra unnecessary stress and pressure when you're already dealing with with regular life stuff, you know what I mean. So that's unfortunately not to tell your thoughts, Uh, you don't have to worry about getting to because Nicki's husband is a Level three sex offender, In fact, he was actually sentenced to a year home confinement because he failed to register as a sex offender from another case. So yeah, that there's that. That is a cold blooded line to say. Just take your cold blooded and I think you know they've been beefing for a while, so you know, we talked about this when it comes to hip hop and stuff. Every for hip hop beef, everything is on the table. I don't think there is a line that you can cross. So I think that you know whatever is on the table, especially when it seemed like they've just been mortal enemies Cardier Nicki for forever. Now everything is on the table, right. And lastly, I just think like it. I hate it. I hate it so much when somebody tries to even if your rivals, I do think that there should be some kind of combatant cold not saying that I can't go there, but to me, it's never a good look when ruth of engagement, when somebody is going through something that you could also possibly be going through as well at some point, because you are also a married woman and your husband ain't the you know, your husband ain't the most clean person out there, right, So I just think it would be like us rooting for another podcast to fail, Like even if we had beef with another show, still wouldn't root for We may get into it on social media, but I would not do a victory lap if they got canceled or something, because it could happen to you. I always say this when it comes to boxers, like y'all two could be mortal enemies, but don't call this person a fraud. If they get knocked out. You in the same line of work. It could get knocked out. You could get knocked out like that, you know, just if they if they get knocked out and you hate that person, just be like, yeah, that's why he didn't want to fight me, because I would have knocked him out. That's cool to me. But to be like, see told y'all he was a fraud, No, because you could get knocked like I mean, it could happen to anybody. So I just that always kind of I just you know, Nikki, you a married woman too. She going through something. I just think, you know, maybe you should let off on her a little bit because it could be you. We don't know, now, Okay, that's right, that's right, all right, Robin close the zone out last yes, so the last one is also pretty messy. I did not Unfortunately, I did not get a chance to listen to all of these videos. But I can tell you Kanye West is making a comeback in his own way. Every first and foremost, everybody says, usually when Kanye does this, that means there's an album coming. But so Kanye West. Recently, he went on a rant about his life and in the industry while speaking to a small crowd of people in Vegas. He name drops major brands and celebrities in the rant. During the Vegas Show, quote unquote, no one's with me because y'all not really with me. It's just me and God. He then said, quote unquote, and guess what, Trump, We ain't giving you no support unless you get at Larry Out, unless you get Jeff Out. Then said, quote unquote, y'all know who that who y'all f and playing with this is a vessel of God. He gonna burn all your stuff down. I swear he did not say stuff, but we're gonna be clean your sugar honey iced tea if you may so. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, is he like h I don't know if y'all really got the chance to hear these videos or to see this you know anything about yeah, oh boy. You know the thing about Kanye Kanye is I'll give you I use this analogy, not that you'll appreciate this analogy. So there are a lot of if you're a sports fan, football fan, there are a lot of headcases in foot and you know, the teams basically say it's an unridden rule that they will put up with you as long as your production outweighs your behavior. The moment that that formula isn't the same, the moment that your conduct off the field begins to affect your production on the field, you have a problem. And I think with Kanye, Kanye has always been crazy, but it's like he's getting crazier as time goes on. And it's unfortunate because he's at the point now this man is a musical genius, and I mean on the level of a Prince, a Stevie Wonder, Michael Jack, Like he's a genius, a musical genius on that level, but he has so many issues that continue to derail him that he is at the point now where he is seriously jeopardizing his own legacy. He did not look or sound same in those videos. The video I saw it sounded like someone who needs serious help. And he was surrounded by people that for the most part, were cheering him on. And the person who recorded that lot, who was live streaming it and put it out there, that person should never be around you. Again. This is part of the issue, is he is surrounded by people who care nothing about his best entry, and they're allowing him to make a fool out of himself by continuing to say bigoted, anti Semitic and just general crazy things. And he's he's furnishing his own legacy. And that's unfortunate because the body of work that Kanye has left already, we can't afford to lose that in the culture. He has a solid body of work that has contributed quite quite and has been quite important, you know what I mean to the culture, and he is damaging his own legacy by this repeated insane behavior. God, yeah, I agree. Somebody I was in the group chat and somebody said the story of you know, when Kanye overdoses, that story is gonna be crazy, And I was thinking to myself about that today. I was like, God, that's where we're at with this. You know, lord of like the behavior is getting so crazy to where like, yeah that that story, you feel like something like that could come because there was there was a lack of coherency. He was just ranting about nonsense, right, I mean when you start talking about you know, I'm the third one, you know when it comes to Jesus Hitler and me, is what are we talking about here? I watched all of it. It's like ten minutes of it, and you hit the nail on the head because the thing that really really disturbed me the most was the people in the background talking about yeah talk yo talk. You gotta tell them Kanye and we with you. It's like, really, because that's not in me. I don't y'all know. I have long been a Kanye defender, a Kanye supporter, even through the madness. But it's certain things where you're not finna move me. You say some dumb stuff, you praise Hitler, you put yourself I mean that we're not. I don't care who you are. I'm just I'm gonna go ahead and see myself out because I'm not kissing butt for no one. And if I actually do care about you, I can't be a part of seeing you know, you gonna probably want to If this is what you want to do, then you're gonna have to remove yourself from me, because if I actually care about you, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you like there's no way. I remember the one time with the Waynes on Oprah, the Wayne's brothers on Oprah, and they were making fun of the Jackson's because they were like Michael Jackson showed up with a monkey, and Tito and Randy and the rest of his brother didn't say anything. They just made it seem like Norman. It was like, no, I love my brothers so much that if one of them show up to an award ceremony with a monkey, You're gonna have to explain something to me because it's not normal behavior. What are you doing? And that's the same thing. If I care, you know, if I care about Robin I do, or you DARVYO and y'all just saying some wild stuff and y'all been doing it for years, you probably gonna want to remove yourself from me because I'm gonna constantly hit you up, like, bro, what is going on? You gotta talk to me, You gotta let me like this is crazy? You gotta stop this. This is silly. This ain't this ain't like. I'm not about to sit here and just let you say some bs over and over again and support that. Like I may not bash you in public, but i'mould talk like, what, bro, what is you saying? You putting yourself in there with Hitler? What do you walk? This is crazy? Stop it? You know what I'm saying? Stop that. If you really care about somebody, you can't just sit there and watch themselves destruct. And he's married, right, Kanye's married now, which you know, I don't know the dynamics of that situation. I don't you know, we don't know that. But I'm just thinking, like, man, if you know, I just I know the women in my life, you know, if the women in my life, and prayerfully my wife will be like this too. If I, you know, get on the Instagram live and they see me or they there and I'm talking about something, it's me Jesus and Hitler, you know, my mama gonna go off. She's gonna be what is what are you talking about? And I hope that my wife would be the type of go off too, because that's that's that's insane. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's Unfortunately, every time I see that, I'm just like, there's nobody around him that loves him. M That's how I feel like every time I see Kanye behave like this, I feel like there's nobody around him that loves him, because to see it was disgusting to see those people cheering him all like that. He the only time that they getting into it is because he wants them to be quiet so he can keep going. Right, I'm gonna have to see myself, like I'm gonna just I'm gonna catch you later, like I'm gonna have to see myself because I'm not about to sit here and watch you do this and then they record you. So they come on, man, they trying to get Cloud off of this. Yeah, they don't care about you, man, They watching you self destruct and they recording it. Right, because nobody can watch that and think that he's a that and think that he's a healthy person, because he's not. That's not that's not some I mean nothing, nor he that was not lucid. That was he looked like somebody that was off his man. Because and you know, like we was joking earlier, right, we we we be looking for reasons. Watch somebody crying for help. Oh, this person is going on. This ain't like it. I if one of my homies is bro, you need to explain something to me. You must be going through something, talk to me because this ain't This ain't normal behavior. This isn't rational behavior. Right, help me understand? Right? And there's nothing, there's nothing that you can watch that rant and be like, well he had a point when he's sitting. No, no, no, that that's just that was just the rantings of a man who is in dire need of help. Yep. And he's in dire He's in dire need. I'll close it with this. Kanye is in dire need of someone who loves him, because if you love somebody, you love them enough to not allow themselves to self destruct like that. He is destroying his own legacy because of this insane behavior, and he continues to do it. He needs people in his inner circle, people that he trusts who actually love him enough to say, Yo, you need to chill and you need to get some help. All right, Stay tuned. We have Dante's hots coming up next here on the album Fuck Chill, Sir, Welcome Back, Walk, Theme Back, and listen to the Outloge. Make sure that you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart, wherever you get your podcasts. And if you listen to this show on Apple, make sure you leave us a five star review. And the comment is very important for the algorithm and for those of you who've already done so, thank you, oh so very much. And now's the time to show that we like to call Dante's Hot takes telling the truth. Whether you like it or not, It's Dante's Hot Takes on the out Lawns radio show. Okay, So, over the past a few days there has been a DEI conversation as it pertains to academia. Now, in my personal opinion, well let me start with this. DEI stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. Now, uh, the sort of crescendo moment in this Oklahoma Republican Governor Kevin Stitt has signed an executive order that defunds diversity equity inclusion diversity equity and inclusion offices and programs in state agencies and including that includes public colleges. Right, this has been a constant push that we've been that we've seen from the right and I think it sort of started back with the removal of the push in the courts with the Supreme Court to remove the word I'm looking for affirmative action. Yes, that that that's really where it started. And I think that we're seeing a big push on the right to get rid of diversity, equity, inclusion. And now here we are with with Republican with the Republican governor in Oklahoma, we had we've had tweets from Elon Musk talking about de e I must end because we did not want to start. We wanted to the goal should be to get rid of racism and not to reverse it and things like that. Essentially, the outcry from the right is, well, these DEI programs in fact discriminate against white people. Right, we've heard claims that white people have been cast aside and aren't given as many opportunities. Uh, so that you know, minorities and other other groups can have certain access to things whether they're qualified or not. Well, the pushback, obviously is you've gone too far. You have completely gone too far. Uh. There have been tweets by somebody who we love to hate on this show, Charlie Kirk, who has questioned whether black professionals in the medical field are DEI candidates And why should we trust black doctors because many of them could be DEI What do you call DEI doctors or something like that, so that they've gone way too far. And I've sat back and and sort of held my peace on this until today because Friend of Show and I'm trying to find I want to find this tweet because Darvo you we we both had something to say about it. Because you can talk about DEEI, you can talk about affirmative action, but you never seem to want to talk about legacy admissions. You never want to talk about nepotism and things of that nature when that has been you mean like you mean like Mick Romney. Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I want to I want to credit uh friend of show and somebody who we see often, Miss Pinky Iconic marriage coach uh, miss Miss Pinkston eighty five on Twitter for this tweet. She said, you guys vote in a party that is run by Mitt Romney's niece and pretend that on this app you are pro meritocracy. Is Goop chairwoman a DEI higher? How do you know if she isn't the irony. That is when I had to be vocal about this, because she's right. You can sit up here and talk about meritocracy and talk about America should be about opportunity in a merit based society and everything should be based on merit. So get rid of DEI and get rid of affirmative action. But in reality, you don't have anything to say about nepotism, and you don't have anything to say about legacy admissions. And here's the funny thing about Mitt Romney and his niece. She's not even good. She's incompetent. How do we know because Republicans continue to lose elections. That's how I know it's a nepotism situation. That's how we know. Because she's not even good. I can understand. I can understand because y'all know I'm about the work. So if you put somebody in place that is you know, that's my son. I put him in place. Was he the most qualified? No, But he's damn good. I can under I can't even hate on that. I can't even hate on that. Uh. If he sucks, if he's not good, I will have something to say about it, and for some reason you got Republicans out in mass talking about DEI and you know, discrediting the accomplishments of black people when you won't even look at your own party and say, hey, why are we losing elections? Oh maybe it's maybe it's because of this is our is our big is a bigger problem. So once again, I think we just know how to passed it. See you, Darva. But I think we see politicians and social commentary focusing on the wrong thing. And also some of the rhetoric that has come out about this is once again going to turn off black people who you say you want to support you. So I saw a very good tweet from a friend of the show, doctor Nikki Johnson. Yes, and it was a very good point. And I emphasized that doctor because y'all gonna put some respect on her name. You understand in this tweet. I'm looking for it right now. I know she's listening to the show. Damn girl, you tweet a lot. Here it is, And I think this is very important. At least the final single question exposed blatant anti semitism in the Ivy leagues. Republicans had them against the ropes but got distracted into attacking the one black woman on the panel. Now you're in the corner wondering why you keep losing. You are your own worst enemy. That is facts, that is absolute facts. They had an opportunity to talk about these issues in a way that made sense, but of course they want to play whack them old with the darky and instead of focusing on all three, now we're having a conversation about the Now we're having a conversation about whether black people are competent, whether all black people are affirmative action hires. Now, let me ask this question because I've seen people say this multiple times on social media. They say, well, this is the problem with DEI is because it creates a suspicion. You know that's natural. Okay, Well, and then people will use the example, Well, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden said he was picking a black woman to be his vice president and he picked Kamala doesn't that look Doesn't that look wrong to you? My question is, did anybody say anything when when Trump told all of y'all that he was picking a woman for the ruthe Bader Ginsburg seat was turned out to be Amy Cony Barrett or is it different because you like her? You know what I'm saying, I just want to know what the rules are because I because and just in a side you know, we talked about certain things with Justice Brown. I'm sorry, Justice can Tiji Jack. We talked about certain things with her, and you know on the show, especially like from her confirmation hearing. But you don't really I mean, you don't really want to compare their resumes. One is substantially heftier than the others. She is much more qualified, I think than and that was another example that they used. And he was putting a black woman on the court. Okay, So do I like how Joe Bidy handled those things? No, because I think he did open the door for those for them to be unfairly scrutinized. However, y'all didn't keep that same energy with Amy Coney Barrett. And I ain't got nothing against Amy Coney Barrett. I'm just saying, I want to know what the rules are. The rules can't change based on who you like and don't like. What are the rules here? If it's about a pure meritocracy. If it's about a pure meritocracy, then y'all can't keep telling me that it's only black people and Hispanics and women that are getting jobs that they don't deserve, because guess what, I'm just pointing this out. I ain't got no problem with this guy. I don't know this guy. He may do a great job, but I just want to point this out. From the daily tarhel that says breaking news. Lee Roberts will be UNC's interim chancellor beginning January twelfth. Roberts is on the UNC Board of Governors and worked as state budget director under Republican Governor Pat Lacroy. He has no professional administrative experience in higher education, and he's about to run the University of North Carolina. So I just want to know what are the rules? What are the rules? It can't be don't tell me that we live in a maritime cray. You know that's not true. You can't sit up here and in one breath say that the elites control everything. We got to drain the swamp. You can't tell me that on one end and on the other end say that we live in a meritocracy. Those two things are incompatible with each other. So I just want to know what the rules are. Choose the rules and set the rules, and that's what the rules. You can't say that it's a meritocracy for me and then turn your turn your back and act like you don't see the good old boy network over there. You can't do that. It gotta be one of the other players. It gotta be one of the other and holding us up to a standard that you don't even hold yourself to. I got a problem with that last thing. On this I saw someone that said, no black person can compete with any white person. They all have to get some sort of assistance. That's the only way that they can compete. And I made this point. I made this play on social media, and I want to say it here on this show. My degree is from a predominantly white conservative university. I was an honor student. So how are you gonna tell me? But it's amazing for white conservatives and not all, but some white cannservatives to insult my intelligence when your kids couldn't compete with me in their own school. What is we talking about here? I went to your school and was an honor student. I saw people arguing with doctor Nikki Johnson, you not on her level playing. Not only are you not on her level, you ain't on the level below her. And the thing that people need to understand is it all goes back to that Lyndon Johnson quote. Y'all want to make it about black black black black black. Y'all worried about us, like we your problem. We are not your problem. Lyndon Johnson said, if you can convince the lowest white man that he's better than any colored man, he won't notice that you're picking his pocket. If you give him someone to look down on, hell, he'll empty his pockets for you. What you don't realize is why you're so busy hating us. You getting robbed, getting played, And that's what is designed to deal. Let them know how to follow you, sir, and just really quickly, it goes even further, it goes even further back than that. I mean, I mean, we can look at Bacon's rebellion and understand and understand through the history of this country that you know, that's what this was, just like, okay, even we got to make sure that poor whites never aligned with with black people again, right, That's really where this goes back to. And that's you know, Lennon got some great quotes, but that's one of the best ones man, because we see it all the time where and we see it a lot from these talking heads where it's like why are they if you ever wonder why certain who are they talking to when they when they spout this kind of this kind of rhetoric towards black people, when you know it's it's not rooted in any sort of fact at all. You got to understand who they're talking to and who their core audience is and basically who pays their bills, right, because a lot of these people are funded, are propped up by funds from you know, middle class to poor white people who feel a certain way, and so it's easy to take advantage of them. And you know, we lasting we see this a lot when it comes to to somebody like let's let's say Obama, President Obama. Right, you can disagree with him in terms of his policy and things like that, right, same thing with uh with Justice Kintaji. Right, you can disagree, you know, with things they may say, but but you can't really question intellect and you can't really question credentials. I mean, President Obama is one of the most educated men in the world. Like you can't call that god dumb and I know, I know, you may disagree with him, police, but you sitting on your farm in Iowa. No disrespect to Iowa, but you sitting on your farm in Iowa. You're not smarter than him. Man, You're not more accomplished than him. Same thing with Justin Jasie. She got a really impressive resume. Just you may not agree with her political stances, but she's an impressive woman. And that's the thing again. But if I can make, you know, if I can make a poor white guy feel like he's better than I can rob him, and that's really you know, that's really what I think we're seeing with a lot of these people. And like you, you know, we talked about this before Darvey, y'all goes back to that backing rebellion thing. So follow me on Instagram and Twitter at T brid t A E b r y E Miss O'Malley. You could follow me on Instagram at Real Robin O'Malley and on Facebook at Robin O'Malley. And you can follow me at D the King Ben everywhere does D T h E k r N G p r A. We are going to see you next week our Christmas special episode. Make sure to stop tune in. We are Peace. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network, where real talk lives. 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