This is the FCB podcast network. Great when they drug yaw booty says dot Dog. We don't listen to y'alls the cow dog. We don't listen to y'alls. The Outdog. Make a scream out down like a signed ug because a rockets in the clown like a ball. Tune into the charge from the Outdoor. Tune into the charge from the Outlaw. Welcome to the Outlaws. This is Darbota Kingpinnmorrow alongside Robin O'Malley and Dante bry Don't forget too Like us on Facebook at Facebook dot com, slash the Outlaws Radio. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the Outlaws or Radio. We have a lot of things to discuss. But first, miss O'Malley, how are you actually you know what I am? I got like four days left four between four or five days left between my kids. They have school and then we out for the summer, so that means no more fighting with them for that. So I'm ecstatic about this. Okay, because listen, Darvo, I'm gonna tell you what I did to my son a couple of days ago. Okay, while he was sleeping, he had to get up at school and he went get up. You know how some kids are in the morning fight him, you know, and I don't want to get up and try to go back sleep. Well, he happens to have a water gun and I wouldn't feel it up. He would not get up, So I sprayed him with the water gun. I bet you he got up. Choose him like you know him like a cat. I told him, you'll get up, Ima, I told him, you don't GetUp, imna spray you can't get up. But but he's been he's been getting revenge on me with this. So every time every chance he gets, he sprays new door gun. So yeah, well he's he should be. He should be very grateful because you know, back in my gay, that wouldn't have been a water gun. That would have been a belt. He just got Listen, I'm trying not to stress myself out of him. Hey, I'm in the in this process, so I'm trying not to stress myself out. So I'm not trying to do the most, you know, like I'm not trying to do all that them. So so I'm annoying. I listen, I'm an annoying mom, and I'll admit that I'm highly annoying. So my kids are always like, oh my god, you know, like because I do the most things that annoy them. I don't like you know, it's not even like you know, you don't get up right now with you. It's like, okay, get up. I'm a like tickle him or like poke my finger into here or something like mess with him, like do something, um Dante, I think I'd rather get wolves, or I'll start singing or yeah, I would definitely rather get I'd rather get wolves. I would too. I yeah, don't mess with me like that or like, honestly, just like send me to my room and leave me alone for a couple of hours. I mean, and I've done that. I've actually done that. I've done that. But like, you know, you know, you gotta handle your business. You gotta get up. So like, if I don't want to start their day off on a bad note with whooppings, you know, screaming, yelling, whopping them, and if I do not have to, if I could take it a different route and handle it differently without having to start their day off and then sending them off to school, you know like that. So yeah, so so instead we'll just shoot them right Listen, listen, it's not shoot think it's spraying. But and I bet you he didn't matter. He didn't fight with me after that. But Robin you So, Robin is is tall for anybody that doesn't know, but she ain't like the most intimidating physical presence. So and your son is he's starting to get big. So like you really can't whoop up me anymore? Can't you? Like, I mean you can, but I mean, what's how effective? But it's still hurts his feelings? Yeah, that's about okay. So that's about okay because I can see that more. So like physically, I think we probably get into that board where it ain't really much you can do anymore. Right, he's kind of almost he's like almost about eye level to me. Yeah, and I'm almost five eight. So yes, Robin, like I said, Robin is tall like four a woman, she's she's taller, but you know she's not. She's not gonna body slam him if he you know, if he Wait a minute, now you questioning it, because yes I will. He would have to. He would have to let you, and he probably would because you was mom, I wasn't going to high school. So it is I'll tell you this. Yeah. Then, as I y'all know, my mother is short. Anybody who who knows my mother, my mother is short, and I'm not right. And as I got taller than my mother very quickly. And one thing that my mother would do when she couldn't whoop me anymore, and I hated this. I hated so much because there was nothing I could do about it. She would stand, she would stand her little ass looking at me, looking up at me, getting at me, and then she would take both of her hands and slap me on both sides of my face and say I Still to this day, I remind her, Yeah, punishment gotta get more creative, as you know, especially if you're taller, especially if you're your boy and you're taller and bigger than your mom, like yeah, yeah, she my son is not a little scrawny little thing, so I'm tiny, you know, as you got like I'm tiny. My son he's not tiny like what he used to be. So if if I end up wrestling with my son, like man, my mother slap me. And my grandmother she didn't play that like my my uncle had got taller than her very early. Because my grandmother was short too. My grandmother would still put a foot in your ass like she was tough as nails. Y'all know, man, if y'all y'all ever had anybody in y'all life who was from the from the who's from the greatest generation, who grew up in that depression and that great depression. Like look, Dario, my mama was here. Like how you're just saying, you know that's his grandmother, right, Yeah, my mama was just here. A matter of fact, around the time when I went to go see the Tina Turner Um musical play. My mom was here for that those those few days. And um, my son, you know, being a boy, he wanted to be nasty, stinky. I told him getting the shower. Getting the shower though, Like I was in the middle of trying to get ready, um to go to the musical or whatever. And all I hear is my mom say, boy, go get joke in the shower. Mind you, she's seventy two years old, Grandma, don't come get me. Um that's right, he has a king in My mom threatens with that king like she can barely hold herself up over here, Teeter Tyler, you know, I'm trying to chase my son through the house. If they can't go wash your behind getting the shower. Well, that that's right, that's right. Shout out to shout out to mama, old Mallley. That's that's that's the queen right there. So yes, that's exactly what I needed. That she did the right thing. And if the more kids, these young kids had some more than folks like that in their lives, they wouldn't be out here and running the streets. You need some old grandmama's, you know what I'm saying. Grandfather now right right, that's the problem. That's the problem. They I did kicking it, you know what I'm saying. So so we need we need that. These kids they need that. They need that structure, they need that foot up the ass. Anyway, Um, Dante, how are you, sir? I'm glad this week is over long weekend holiday weekend. Hopefully the weather is nice. I'm excited. I'm just looking forward to relaxing finally. Yeah, man, me too. Man. I was just telling y'all before the show, I was I went down to Columbus and for an event, went down there and back and and I say, you know how that that trip is because you used to live down there like that, the drive doesn't seem bad, you know what I'm saying, And so you feel it, yep, it like creeps up on you all at once, or if you do it when you're tired or something like that. Yeah, because it's only two two and a half hours, depending on like we'll part of Cleveland, we'll party Columbus. It's only two two and a half hours, you know. But and don't you know it's it's never really any traffic, you know, outside of Columbus or outside of Cleveland. It's just the dirty secret about Ohio as a whole is there ain't much outside of our cities. So like once you get outside of Columbus, it ain't much. Once you get outside of Cleveland, it ain't much. So it's really about thirty it's like ninety minutes of just trees and corn and road, which I mean if you know, if you drive it by yourself, you know it that that gets very boring, you know. I heard somebody describe Ohio once as Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, and Kentucky basically because we don't we don't. I mean, these other cities ain't gonna like this. And I'm sorry if you're listening, please don't turn us off. But you know, Toledo Bowling Green Dayton by a soft spot for Daton. I was born at the right Parison Air Force Base. But for the most part, Dayton, you guys don't matter, right, Like can we just be honest? But like coming on, nobody ever came to Ohio was like I love Toledo, I don't care. I will I will say this in defense. Uh so dat doesn't offend most of the state outside of the big three cities. Um, you know, I enjoy. There's a part I actually enjoy when I have to travel through um Ohio because it is like such a it's a different experience. Like if you if you're in Cleveland, like Cleveland has a certain feel to it, like Cleveland is an older city. You can it looks like you know what I'm saying, like and I don't mean older as a negative. I mean like with the with like the terminal tower and the skyscrapers and all of this stuff, Like it's a it's an older city. Now when you go to like Columbus, Columbus is more recently built. It's it's a different experience, but there's still urban cities like Cleveland and Columbus and Cincinnati. Those are urban. Good Kentucky can have Cincinnati. Don't do that. I'm not a big fan of Cincinnati myself personally. Yeah, no, Skyline Chile. Never been a fan of it. Now I'm not a half Cincinnati, Kentucky. Their airport is even in Kentucky. So just take it. Just take Cincinnati. Don't do that. I love y'all, Cincinnati. Don't listen to him. I love it. But I like when I get outside of the metropolitan area and and go in the state and you know, people are friendly. It's like it's it's all. It really is almost like being somewhere else, you know what I'm saying. Like when you go outside of those major cities, it's like you're in a totally different state. And it was. And I have a soft spot for Mansfield, which is halfway between Cleveland and Columbus. It's like the end of the Cleveland market in the beginning of the Columbus market, if I'm not mistaken. Because we used to do a sports show that I was producing aired on Mansfield Radio, and you know, we kind of built like a cult following and stuff down there. So I have a soft spot for places like Mansfield. I just I love our state. I just love our state. I went to U d C. I had to go to DC last year last excuse me last week. I had to go to DC last week. And DC is a great place to visit. I love visiting DC, But every time I'm there, by the time it's almost over, I'm like, I can't wait to get home. First of all, my pockets scream every time I'm in DC because everything is so damn expensive and you cannot beat You cannot beat Ohio standard of living. You can't. You can't beat it when you whether you go to DC, whether you go to LA, whether you go to New York. The price, the cost of doing business here is way different, y'all. Like it's it is night and day different. There are people in DC who make six figures, who are on food steps. Like that's that's how bad. I like visiting DC too. Yeah, I'd love to visit, but I couldn't. I couldn't live there. Just too expressive, just way too expressive, which is too that would drive me crazy and and all of that, Like you have to you have to make so much money just to even be middle class in DC and don't live in DC proper. You live in DC proper. It's it's a rap. So and I don't like that. Did you come across any locals and natives? You might have been working, but that DC Baltimore accent in that DMV accent, No, I've never That's the part where it's like, oh, no, I couldn't live here. And you know what's funny, they anytime if you have any Like, I got some homies from from the DMV. So they they swear that they not Southern, but their accent tells on them. And I'm like, bro yasin, y'all. Definitely from the South. It's because they swear up and down. People don't consider that, but it's it's literally the beginning of the South. Yeah, Like that's why DC is where it is because they wanted they wanted a place that was like close to the South but close enough to the North to represent both. That's why DC is located where it is. So, yeah, that's the South, y'all. That's the that's the beginning of the South. It's not it ain't deep South. It ain't Alabama. You know what I'm saying. Where where my father's families from. Like, it's not Alabama, it's not deep South, but that's the South, y'all. That's the it's the beginning of the South. Now, would you consider Maryland the South? Some people I consider anything below the Mason Dixon lite in the south. Yeah, some people consider Maryland the South and some people don't. Anything below the Mason Dixon line to me is the South. So like Virginia obviously you know West Virginia didn't exist at the time, but like West Virginia too, even though it's crazy because West Virginia is now a border is you know, one of our border states. So but you know, West Virginia anything, if you below the Mason Dixon line, to me, you are Southern. But that actually makes sense too, right like when you said that, when you point out that West Virginia is that the border is at the Ohio border because it is very long at all to get to West Virginia from Ohio. No, but that talks again to the culture of Ohio. That's why Ohio is it's so different because there's a little bit of everything in the state. Yes, Like when you go to southern Ohio, it's more like the South, Like it's like you're in the south. You know. That's why a lot of people joke about about Cincinnati. They call they call southern Ohio northern Kentucky, right like, so a lot of people like it's that's the way the culture is. And then up here up north for people who don't know Cleveland and Northeast Ohio, the whole Northeast Ohio area used to be a part of Connecticut. So that's why culturally Cleveland and Northeast Ohio is just different than the rest of the state because we had a New England influence up here, not almost like an East Coast because the East Coast. And if you ever come to Cleveland and you see things that say Western Reserve on it, like case Western Reserve University or the Western Reserve Historical Society, the Western Reserve came from Connecticut because Northeast Ohio was the Connecticut Western Reserve. So that's why if you come up here, even there's some some areas, like some of our town squares, even even Public Square in downtown Cleveland was designed similar to town squares in New England. So the culture, the culture is very different in Cleveland and Northeast Ohio versus the rest of the state because we come from a different you know, our history is different. We were part of we were originally a part of Connecticut. And then if you go, you know further down Ohio, you know you're bordering Kentucky, you're bordering West Virginia, so it's more southern. And then central Ohio is just like a little bit of all of it, you know what I mean, because like you, you lived in Columbus. Columbus has a little bit of everything down there. You know what's interesting, I don't know what Columbus's culture is, yeah, right, to really be honest with you, I don't. It's very difficult to put a to put a finger on what Kentucky's culture is. You know, like when I think of certain cities or towns, I think of certain things, right, and I guess maybe you could just say Columbus, you know, the culture is the university, right, Like that's the biggest I guess landmark in Columbus, right, Ohio State Ohio Stadium, right that maybe that that's it. University, just a capital. But it's hard to like in living there for what the better part of four years a little over that, like you still can't really tell you, right, what do what do we think about when we think of Cincinnati? Uh, you know, violence and gang No, I'm just kidding. Um, that's a that's a thing that I have with Cincinnati simply because it's right on the border of Kentucky. Their airport is there. So to me, Cincinnati feels like they got one foot in our state and one foot out right. And if you're driving down south, the Cincinnati suburbs are in Kentucky exact exactly. And so if you're driving we did this when we drove south, once you hit Cincinnati, you about thirty minutes you in Kentucky. So I'm like, you know, y'all don't really want to be a part of us anyway, right, Um, but it's harder for me. I mean each Cincinnati still, right, they've got that skyline chilly una, I do. I'll tell you this. I do like the way Cincinnati is structurally, like they're downtown. It looks, it looks appeasing. I don't really know what to feel in Columbus, you know what I mean, Like it's very Maybe you're right, it's just like a kind of a mesh point or a melting pot. It's a Hodge It's a hodgepod because if you look at like I said, Cleveland, Cleveland is very East Coast culturally, like it feels very Eastern. Um. One of the reasons, for example, why a lot of movies shoot here in Cleveland is because if you go downtown, you can the way that you the way to downtown is built. You can make it look like New York. You can make it look like Manhattan. That's why a lot of movies come here and shoot and a lot of like when they go there, when they go downtown, Like when The Avengers shot here, it was set in New York. There's a lot of movies that are set in New York but are shot in Cleveland because downtown. And part of it is because again Cleveland is an older city. A lot of the same architects that built the buildings in New York built the buildings in Cleveland, so you can make it look like that. Cincinnati is very southern, you know what I mean. It's it's very southern culturally because it borders Kentucky. Their suburbs are in Kentucky, so it's it's very it's very southern. I happen to like Cincinnati y'all. I don't know what Dante talking about, but I haven't to line Cincindad, but it's very it's very southern. But yeah, Columbus is like and maybe because it's a I don't want to say newer city, but their their development has been recent, you know what I mean. So it's culturally it's just a little bit of everything. Like there are people from the north, from the style and because it's it's basically in the middle. It is in the middle of the central Ohio, so you know, it has a little bit of everything. It doesn't really have that kind of that kind of history or culture like a Cleveland or a Cincinnati or even or even like a Toledo, Like you know, Toledo is next to Detroit and you know there's a history there. We fought a war over jun what I call them right because they're they're they're right, they're right there, you know what I mean. And even like like Dayton. Dayton has the Air Force Base. That's what they're known for. Their known for the Air Force base for University of Dayton and all that kind of stuff. So since, uh, Columbus is a little different, all right, to close or one thing you mentioned the war that we fought, well, not fought, but when we kick Michigan's but for the first time in the war for Toledo, and we've been doing it ever since. Um So, yeah, just to close on that, because while I made pick bones with little pieces of our state, just remember, if anybody from Michigan is listening, please don't hang it up. I just I just want to We just gotta put it out there because I took some shots at our state. I do love our state, but if you put us up against other states, especially like our neighbors to the north, we've been we've been kicking a bus for years. So and shout out to our Michigan listeners because I know we have those two. Um so you know, y'all know how it is. You know, we have a friendly rivalry with with Michigan. Y'all y'all know how that goes. But now before we go to break because we ended up because when we're actually going to talk about we'll talk about in the next segment, because we ended up talking about how Robin shot her kid, and we ended up talking about about how this state late, the layout of the state. So we end up talking about two things that we're not schedule for this, but I do want to point this out before we go to break. I want to make something something very clear to people who are listening. And I know that there are people who are listening who are decision makers, people who are listening who are connected politically and otherwise, and so I just want to point this out. We are in this We are in this election season. It's the election season gets longer and longer every every cycle. There are a lot of people gearing up to run for office. There are a lot of people running for office already, even with the president. Now. I want to make this very clear, I and all of us have a profound respect for this audience. We have a profound respect for the people who follow us on social media. We have a profound respect for the people who engage with this content. This network as a whole, across all of our shows has had over a million people listening to it. 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And if you listen to this show on Apple, make sure you leave us a five star review and a comment is very important for the algorithm and for those of you who have already done so, thank you, oh so very much. Now, the thing that we originally we're going to talk about is this story that I tweeted about the tweeted the update recently, and I tweeted about the story before when at first when it first became public, and it was it was it had a good it has a good ending. But the fact that it had to go to this far, that it had to go to this far in the first place, is just outrageous. So you have in Minnesota, Hinnipan County, I believe, I think that's the county in Minnesota, there is a ninety four year old woman, a ninety four year old black grandmother who lost her home. It was a condo. She owed the county government back taxes. Now, the number on record was fifteen thousand dollars. That's what she owed the county. Some people say, though, that what she actually owed was like around two or three thousand, and it got two fifteen. It got up to fifteen thousand dollars because of the fees, the fees and penalties that the government put on his ninety four year old woman for owing two to three thousand dollars in taxes. But regardless, the bill was fifteen thousand dollars. They took possession of the house as a result of her own fifteen thousand dollars. And then they turned around and they sold the house. Well, they sold the conduct. They sold it for forty thousand dollars. Now, mind you remember, best case scenario, she owes them fifteen thousands. Well, worst case scenario, she ows them fifteen thousand dollars. They sold the property for forty thousand dollars, and they kept the profit, They kept all of it. They took the money and put it towards roads and part they just they spread her money everywhere. So basically, what they did they not only took what she owed them, but they took the equity that she rightfully had in that home. So she sued and went to court, worked its way up and each, you know, each along the way, the court's kept siding with the government because the government's argument was, once we take the house from you, it ain't your house no more. You don't own it. We own it. Well, the problem is if that's the case, that nobody owns anything, right, nobody owns anything. So it works its way up to the Supreme Court, and this past week, a couple of days ago, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously nine to zero that you can't do that, that it was unconstitutional for what they did to that ninety four year old woman, taking her house, selling it and keeping all of the money. What they should have done was take what she owed and then gave her the rest of the money. If you're gonna take the house, because there is a clause in the constitutions called the takings Cause. And in that cause, what it says is the government cannot take your property from you without giving you fair compensation. They have to give you fair compensation before they can take your property. The fact that you have people in this county who knew how old this woman was and had no problem sleeping at night, taking her home, selling it for way more than what she owed, and in keeping all of it. Is a amazing to me. It's frightening the kind of people that we have in governments across this country. Thoughts, I'm happy it worked out for this for this older woman. Um. Yeah, I remember reading the story and my first reaction was, Wow, this really death. This really does sound like the government that never you know, they'll never let an opportunity to rob you go to waste if they can't. And this is why we preach on this show. Your local government matters so much, um, just because of stuff like this, because, like you said, the first of all, just the audacity. I mean, I understand property tax, right, do we know how how big this county is? So let me see, because you know, it could let's say it's a smaller county. They could be looking to nickel and dime anybody, right, But at some point I believe it. I believe it's Tennempin County. And if that's the case, um, the population is one point two six million, So that's not even an excuse Okay, so even trying to throw them, even just a little bit of bell don't work. They have this iss that's absurd. So you don't even it's not like you you aren't in desperate need of this fifteen thousand you I mean, that is that's abhorrent. But again, like I said, it does it does it surprise you that a bureaucracy would do that, a government bureaucracy would do that. It shouldn't. But just the level of cruelty. She's ninety four years old, you know, it's like there is there no depravity that is too much, you know what I mean, Like that's that's the thing. I shouldn't be surprised, but I but it's like, damn, y'all would do that. Y'all would do that, especially in in that county. And I'll explain what I mean by that in a little bit, But it's like, really like that she's ninety four years old, if it really matters that much, like just collected, you know, we don't, I don't know, put a lean they could have put a lean on so like when so then when it's sold they get their money. They could have did there was any any number of things they could have done. Yeah, yeah, And then you just wonder like, are there is there anybody in this county office? I don't know how what their county structure is is like, um, but is there anybody like I don't know if they have you know, an executive or you know, like what their structure is. I know Kuyahoga's, I know mine late county, But is there anybody in this county's office that's like, hey, guys, she's ninety four. Maybe we should maybe we should, you know, just pump the brakes. Maybe let's look for an alternative way to get this money. Is there any way we can kind of get out of this without doing this? Because this is really a pr nightmare. Um. And obviously, like I said, you know, they're a government, so they don't they probably don't care, but this is I mean, this is gross. Right. It's you got elections coming up, Like that's what I would have been thinking about, you know, as a politician, right, I'm supposed to be thinking about how can I win my next election? Oh? Right? Like I again, I don't know their their structure, but going into an election year and I don't know what terms and cycles they're on, but I mean, if we're going into an election year, do you want to be the face of a guy that kicked the ninety four year old lady to the curve and basically start an equity out our home. That's not I mean that talk about giving your opponents an amil, right, right, It's just absurd. It's absurd. The whole time I was thinking about it is karma, okay, because yeah, not like something can't be done about it right now for her, Like you can't turn back the hands of time. But you know what these people fail to realize is something is going to come back to them times that like, and it may not happen to them, it's going to happen to one of their grandmothers, maybe their mother, maybe their sisters. Something is going to happen to somebody down the line because of what they chose to do to this woman. And then they're gonna question why, They're gonna be like why, or they're gonna be upset, they're gonna be angry, and they're not going to realize that is because that is what they put out there. That is what they put out there to this woman. So now this woman's got to go through this, this elder woman. Like, that's heartless, it's heartless, that's selfish, that's inconsiderate, that's like, that's it that serious to come to that with mine? Right right? Like Robin, that's the that's the thing that just kind of that that I can't get over with the stuff, like y'all would really do that to her? She's ninety four years old, yep, ninety four years old, Like I just how can how can anybody? How can you do that? Don't and I don't give a damn. I don't want to hear about. Uh, I was doing my job, that's bs. How could anybody do that? Knowing who you doing that too? And sleep at night? Robin, I don't. I don't understand it. Listen, listen. You know it's gonna happen when her when her family down the line has power over these people's family down the line, and then you know, if the same thing is going to happen, you know how it goes. You are like I was just saying, karma, you know what I mean. And it's just it's the circle of life. So if you put something out there and you do something somebody, it may not happen tomorrow. It may not happen the next day. It may may not happen in a week or a year, but it could happen in ten years. It's gonna happen to one of your people because of what you've done. Yeah, you gotta be very, very very careful about that, about what you how you do people like the the Bible says you will. Ye. Great. I'm grateful that the Supreme Court ruled unanimously nine and nothing. Y'all know, they don't agree on a lot, so for all for the entire court to be like, no, that's crazy, y'all can't do that. That says a lot. But it shouldn't. It shouldn't even had to get to the Supreme Court in the first place. It shouldn't have to. It had to take all of that for this ninety four year old woman to get justice. And and and Dante um I mentioned this was Hinnepin County. By the way, I did confirm that this was Hennepin County, Minnesota. And I alluded to the political situation in Hennepin. And Dante, you were mentioning too, how it's probably not a good idea for the UH for this to be on the record. Of the people running for office right now. Here's the thing that bothers me about the political situation here Hennepin County is you want to take a you want to take a guest dante of whether they're red or blue? Definitely below yep. And here's why this matters here. You have a ninety four year old black woman, black grandmother, and I want to know, and I would love to hear from people in the black community in Hennepin County. How many of those people who control the system that did this to this black woman. How many of those folks come to your community in Minnesota every four years and dance in the parades and smile and and and give chicken dinners and prayer breakfasts? And how many of them do that? How many of them coming in your community down there in Hantipon County every four years and tell you to vote for them for them return around and do this to somebody not only who looks like you, but a ninety four year old black woman. How many of them do that? I am certain that there are some of the same people who come down there and say, hey, look, I love all the darkies. Are some of the same people who was responsible for the system that this that did this injustice to this woman to the extent and fought and fought against her getting justice to the extent that it had to go all the way to the Supreme Court. Now, that is a perfect example of what we mean when we talk about the importance of political competition. This is why it's important that the black community has competition for our votes because guess what, like what Dante was pointing out, there may not be any consequences for these for these people that are elected in Hindepin County because Hindepin County is a deep blue county and I'm certain they probably have no competition or minimal competition. So where is the opportunity to make the people who did this pay? We got to start being strategic, y'all. We got to start thinking strategically like every other community does. The reason why politicians can get away on either side, Republican or Democrat, the reason why politicians can get away with doing things, doing negative things to you, pursuing policies that cause negative outcomes, is because we have no influence. When you have no influence, there's no mechanism, there's no ability to make them pay for it. I had a person very high up in politics tell me once, Darvo, all politicians care about his money or votes. If you can't bring them money and you can't bring them votes, get the f out of here. That was the literal quote. So when you understand and that when you understand the importance of leverage, when you understand the importance of influence, of being able to influence both sides, to stop them both from doing goofy bleak to you and your community and people who look like you. That's how you're able to have an impact. And that's one of the reasons why, like Dante always says, and you'll talk a little bit about this later, that's one of the reasons why a lot of people owe Ice Cuban apology. You cannot. If you want different outcomes, you got to play this game a little differently, y'all, because the way that things are going at the moment aren't working. There is no way on God's green earth that you should have a ninety four year old black woman in a democratic county, and the people who run that democratic county felt like they were able to punish that black woman without any political repercussions. How does that happen? How does that happen? They should have been scared of the black folks in that county. They should have been too scared of the black folks in that county to do something like that. They should have had the cost benefit analysis to say, you know what, if I do this, these black folks are gonna make me lose my job. When there is no threat of an or else. And I'm not talking about a physical violence threat. I'm talking about a threat that they're gonna lose their job because that's all they care about. When there's no or else. This is what happens when they have no fear of political repercussions, when they have no fear of you going to the ballot box and voting against them, This is what happens. They smack you in the face and they dare you to do something about it because they know you won't. This is why we have to have competition for our votes, so that we can punish people who do goofy stuff to our community, whether they're Republicans or Democrats. Dante last word, Yeah, and now that should be a charge to the other party too, to be like, oh well, maybe there's there's a marketplace to like come in and preach something with common sense, right, like getting there and compete royal sleeves up and compete, because clearly you see that, like do you identify a market and compete like whom Maybe a certain group, maybe a constituency, is not being treated as fairly as we think they should be treated. Maybe let's spend some money, let's try to build some relationships and go. Right, we just got this. We have such a problem, and the problem for us is Black Americans and this political things. We get it on both sides, right. We get one group that, like you said, take us, it takes us for granted. In another group that's just like they would rather talk at us and talk about us and then question why we won't vote for them. It's like, dude, you know, like because my question is you know this is this is I like this conversation because we always yang and yang on this because in an in an agreeing style, because I agree with everything you're saying. And then just to add on it's like, well, I wonder what the I wonder what the other side is doing in that community, Like are they gonna run on this or are they gonna like use this as like a rallying cry to maybe like do something about it, or as you know, oftentimes we hear the this is why y'all get on, why y'all keep voting for them? Because they only wants here, you know, And that's the that's the So that is literally the frustrating, the most frustrating thing in the world when you'll have black people complain about Democrats and then you'll have a Republican UM come in and say what you get what you vote for? No, I vote for what I can vote for. Because if you know, like we always tell people to get active locally, right, go to city hall, go to your local town halls. Right, they're available. Go to the school you have children, like, who's who's school board president? Like, do you know them? What party are? Like? Go talk to these people. They're available, you can touch them. Right. Well, if you're the opposing party, you can be there too, you can offer you can be the voice of dissent. Right, nobody's stopping you. Right. I had a guy on Twitter tell me he was like, well, they're worried about Republicans, don't won't come to town halls and urban areas because they're scared of physical violence. Goodbye, You're not a city, like, you're not serious, You're not a serious parton right if you believe that, oh what those blacks are just violent and they don't want to deal any Republican they see, they'll just beat them up. You're not You're not You're not a serious person, and you don't that that tells me you don't want these votes. And so that that's what really really sucks um when it comes to our political state, because far too often we have no political home, and a lot of times some I think some of it, you know, is to our detriment is on our is on us right, because you have to take responsibility. Any predicament you're in, you have to take responsibility for it. So there is that part of it. But then there's also the part of like, dude, if you ain't on the on the ballot, I can't I can't vote for you. You can't vote I say this all the time, you can't vote for a non existent option. Minneapolis is a town, is a city? Is Minneapolis proper is in Hennepin County. And I just wonder what the Republican Office even looks like. Right, do you know where is the Republican in our city, Cleveland? What does the Republican office look like? Well, they just moved from the city of Cleveland to the suburb, so I don't know what it looks like. I haven't been at. I haven't been at the new office. Way to show your investment, right, Oh, let's get up. Look we're getting up out of here. What what suburb did they move to? By chance? Do you know? I do? I do, I'll mention it off the air, but yeah, it's probably a suburb that I'm thinking, Uh is it? Can you okay? Is it a right leaning suburb? Yes? Yes, you can't make it. But but this is and this is my point. I'm not trying to single that out because I'm I'm I would venture to bet you that Minneapolis looks the same, right, probably, so you're probably getting something similar in Hnnepin County. My thing is, don't run away from the smoke of competition and then criticize people who don't view you as an option and vice versa for us. I mean, at some point, I need you, I need you to say that one more time, because that was I mean, and that hits so hard. I want you to say that. Repeat what you just said about running from the smoke. Repeat don't run away from the smoke. Don't run away from competition, and then criticize people who don't view you as an option. You you don't, you didn't want to. We have town halls in our community, We do have stop the violence marches in protests. We do that, right, I know we talk about this all the time, but it's like you will be You are either completely out of touch or blind if you think that, you know, in inner city communities, there aren't there isn't bad backlash to violence. There's how many stopped the violence or uh, you know, put down the guns any type, I mean whatever slogan in all in all of our communities across the country, like this is what we I walked in one. So we do this. So if you care and don't just want to use it as a political football, show up, yep, don't just don't just run away to an echo chamber and then point and say, look at what they voted for. Can't do that. You can't do that. Remember one of my favorite, one of my favorite quotes is the Roosevelt quote the man in the arena. It's not the it's not the person on the sidelines making fun of the strong man with sweat and mud and dirt on his face. It's that guy who's doing the work somebody. That's why I have a high respect for Lee. You mentioned, you know, Lee Weingar came on our show. He tried. I respect that he spent money, he got on the ground. You know, the race didn't go as he wanted it to. But it's like, that is somebody I can take my hat off to try. Don't don't sit back and point to the eels of my community and then just be like, man, you know, we ain't gonna do nothing about it. Like do you actually want to help or do you just want to create talking points? Exactly exactly? That's that's that's the million dollar question. And I'm gonna say this to close and then we're gonna transition. Um. Not only just for or the benefit of our community, but I'm going to tell you something, Republicans, those of you who are Republicans listening to this show, it's in your best interests politically too, because this country is not getting wider, it's getting browner. It's in your best interests politically to not write off large swafts of the country that don't look like you. So, even if you're not going to do it because it's the right thing to do, Even if you're not going to do it because it's the right thing to do, you should consider your own political future if you want to continue to survive as a national party, because eventually that check will be due. Eventually you will have a significant problem as the percentage of white vote gets smaller and smaller and smaller. If you care about conservatism, it would be in your best interests to link up with other folks who identify as conservative or moderate who don't who happen to not look like you. So, if you're not gonna do it because it's the right thing to do, you probably want to think about your own political future. Because for me personally, I care about the outcomes. I care about positive outcomes from my community. I care about positive outcomes from the people that I grew up with the environment that I grew up with. I care about black people, I care about Hispanics. I care about poor and working class white people. Those are the people I grew up around. All those folks, everything that I just said, those are the people I care about. So at the end of the day, it's in your best interests to go to those people. I want better outcomes for the those folks. And if you're not gonna do it out of the kindness of your heart, then do it because it makes sense politically. I don't care why you do it. I don't care what the reason is. You ain't got to love us. Just do the right thing, Just do right by us. I don't care whether you love us or not. So if you're not gonna do it because it's right, do it because it's smart. And on that note, stay tuned. We have tea time with Rowe coming up next here with the Outlaws. This is the Outlaws Radio show. Welcome back, Welcome back. You're listening to the Outlaws. Before the record. I'm not gonna tell anybody what we were talking about off here, but if you are a if you're a company with a weird name, we're probably gonna clown you. Just if you're an internet service. Let's get more specific, if you're an internet service in a cable company with a weird name, we're probably going to clown you because it just doesn't sound right when we say your name out loud. That's all I'm going to say on the air. You can use your imagination to figure out what we were talking about. Who we were talking about. After that, if you live on the if you live on the west side of Cleveland, you have internet service from assert a couple of options, you'll probably be able to figure it out. All right. On that note, now is the time of the show that we like to call Tea Time with Row. Turn it up the latest celebrity news and gossip. It's Tea Time with the Row on the Outlaws Radio show. All right, Joel, So, I got a few things for you today. A little bit of hot tea, a little bit of just cool tea. But so we are going to start out with Tina Turner. Um. So recently she did pass away, um and there was no no um, other cause of other than natural um. She was very old. Well I don't want to see very but she was at eighty two eighty three, was old, but not very old. My mom was close to her age. So I gotta watch out, um. But you know, you know, I actually just went to see her musical play um um Mother's Day. On Mother's Day, me and my mother. We went, and I only knew bits and pieces of Tina's story. Um Like, obviously I knew about the whole I Cantina thing, because if you didn't know, then you're living under a rock. Um But you know, there's a lot of things that I didn't know about her life story. And I'll be honest with you, it was heartbreaking. Um I my eyes literally started watering up towards the end of this musical. Um well, the the show, the play, because she turned around and she took her power back. M after everything that she went through, starting from being a child like she went through a lot of things in her life and endured a lot of things, and she actually did die at one point. From at least from what the play was showing, is that she passed away at one point and they brought her back, and that is when she took her power back. That's when she came back and she's like, you know what, No, this is not what we're doing. And she kicked to the corner and kicked his butt, send him out of his jib little way. And if I'm not mistaken, she did get remarried to a much better man that was very very good to her. Yeah, yes, um, but you know it is very sad because like she's an icon, like just they what they call it the rock, the rock and roll queen rock and roll, Yes and listen, very much deserved. I mean, however, I can say this. I just seen a video the other day, the day of her passing, and they the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which is here in Cleveland. Those of you who don't know, Um, I seen that they gave her, they awarded her I think two years like two years ago, just two years ago, she finally just got her recognition in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Yes, I believe. I have to check this, so don't quote me on this. I believe that I can. Tina were already in, but just a couple of years ago was the first time that Tina alone got in as as a solo artist. Okay, So that means that makes me feel better. That makes me feel better because I'm like, wait a minute, like she should have got her flowers a long time ago. Yeah, I believe, I'm gonna I'm gonna look it up real quick because if I'm not mistaken, Ike and Tina got in I believe years ago, and the one that just happened recently was herd getting in by herself. So I can Tina were inducted in nineteen ninety one. Okay, okay, yeah, so I I can Tina Turner were inducted as a group in nineteen ninety one, and uh Tina by herself was inducted in twenty twenty one. So that twenty years later, right is my math? Right on? Thirty years later? Thirty years Yeah, that's I have a communications degree. I'm gonna have degree. Uh, no judgment, but I did want to. I didn't want to give her her recognition, you know. Um. And you know, just my prayers and condolences to her family. I do know that her two boys, the only two children that she did have, I do believe they are not here. They passed away some time ago. Um, and you know that I'm sure it was tough on her as well. But you know, to the rest of her family, I do send my condolences. Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I think we were kind of talking about something before the show started. We're not gonna get into the full thing, but UM, I just have a general question. Obviously. UM. There has been some comments, some controversial comments that Tina made that have resurfaced since she's passed. Um. We saw something similar with the passing of another legend. We have to say, you know, rest in piece to Jim Brown as well, who was Cleveland Brown's legend civil rights activist actor. And you know, many people consider him the greatest football player of all time, and when he passed, one of the first things people did would was bring up some of the more controversial elements of his legacy. And you see this with Tina as well, with some of the more controversial elements of her legacy in terms of some of the things that she may or may not up said about black people, some of the there are things coming from Ike Turner's side saying that, you know, the movie might have been a little more dramatic and took more liberties with what the truth is or what the truth isn't we weren't there, So I'm not passing any aspersions or making any judgment on that. But my question to you, Dante is when is it I often struggle with this because you want when someone passes UM, you know, you talk about their full legacy. But it's like it seems like people dunk on folks after they die, and so I don't know where the line is, what the balance is. How do you feel about And we saw this again with with Kobe, like when when Kobe passed away and that tragic in that tragic way, you had a woman bringing up his his rape case, which itself was was controversial and there was reason to be skeptical about that situation. Um, when when is it appropriate or is it appropriate to talk about the controversial aspects of someone's life after like right after they die. For me, it's it's you know, everything is a part of a person's legacy. Right for me, I am okay with kind of leaving out the negativity as long as the negativity didn't impact large swaths of people. Right, So like Mussolini dies or maw dies. You know, these men essentially were mass murderers, right right, We don't need to you know, we don't need to. Well, he did get straight a's and schools like no, no, his legacy like that like that report did when when bin Laden died and they called him more or a zahiari one of those when and they called him a religious leader, right right, We don't have to sugarcoat though, you know when David Duke dies, right, you you lead a racist movement in the right, things like that, right, there is no gray in that. Right. But for the majority of us, we all have you know there most of us aren't black and white characters, right, So I think that as long as they didn't do anything that caused mass harm, I think that it's okay to sort of kind of. I mean it's over, right, like it's over and for the most part, right, we don't know how people age and how people grow. We don't know, right, Jim, there was an alleged domestic violence thing is where a lot of people go back with Jim Brown. We don't know how that weighed on Jim as his life came to a cloth, you know what I mean. We don't know, We don't you know. There was some things about Tina Turner not want to be in a colored purple and some stuff about touring. It seems like a lot of her comments, you know, we put air quotes around black, but it was it seemed like it was mostly towards Africans. And I'm not justifying it, but what we know in the community is that the diaspora wards are real. Right. I don't like that I would prefer it was not that way, but we know that that is a real thing right within certain pockets of our community. So, you know, truth be told. It's not harmful, it's not ideal. Right, you wish people wouldn't have said certain things, But then you also got to remember, like especially with a Tina Turner or a Jim Brown, Like I didn't know this until this. We Tina Turner like picked cotton she was you know, you know she's an eighty three year old black woman from the South, like that, I mean she picked cotton. That's how old she was. Right, Like when Dario, when when when you passed away, Nobody's gonna be like, yeah, I mean he picked cotton, right, you know what I mean, Like, that's how old she was. Right. So Jim Brown, I mean Jim Brown was also in his eighties, I believe. So, like these people lived in a different time, so I just it's harder. So they you know, they had different viewpoints and different outlooks on certain things. Right, So somebody a black man born in like nineteen twenty two, he's just gonna have in the South, he's just gonna have much different views on white Americans as I do. As somebody who's born in nineteen ninety four in Ohio, right, so like for me to judge his views on what it's like it, I mean, I can't. Right, it's just not it's not fair. So you know, I don't necessarily like that. I was. I really did not like when Gail brought that up about Kobe because as a reporter, Kobe lived about twenty years after the Colorado incident. You could have talked about that. I mean, Kobe had won championships, been an All Star Games, one MVPs. You could have did stuff about that. You know, this this had a sixty point retirement night and the whole retirement tour in twenty sixteen when he decided he was going to retire, and every went to every arena and in basketball and they showered him with gifts and love and all this stuff. I mean, we did it for a whole calendar year almost where it was like thank you. The game of basketball was saying thank you to Kobe. You could have brought that up then you didn't, So that to me felt, I mean, it's like that to me felt out of bounds, especially considering the way he died, how sudden it was the fact that there were other people, innocent people, children, That to me just that was way out of bounds. And you know, there, I just I think it. I think when Gail did that, I think that there was a lot of other sentiments from within the community coming out at her too. So you know, I personally think if the person had, say bad views or views you didn't agree with, who won't call them bad? I think you can kind of just like let them rest, right, It's not the time to in place, you know, thirty six hours after a person dies, to say, well, you know, let's examine team the Turners stands on race in America, right like that it's not the it's not the time to do that. It's just that. And that's the thing. It's like, and I think it's I think it's fair game to examine someone's record, But do you have to do it the week they died? Right? Like, Like you can't wait until they're in the ground first, you know what I'm saying, Especially when they're yep, especially because their legacy did not cause harm. Now, if you want to do it with like Bull Connor, yeah right, we could dig him up and do it right right, right? Uh, you know, trying to think somebody a Robert Bird who died a while back, but still somebody like that. Oh yeah, yeah, we can talk. Wow, we can talk about reviews because you were in a position of power and probably harm people. We can talk about that. But you know an entertainer she sung in dance man exactly, come on, man, h Robin, so real quick your thoughts on that, and then we'll go on to the next topic, like when is it is it appropriate to talk about the negative act aspects of someone's legacy right after they die? Like that's that's the thing that's so uncomfortable to me. It's like, Yo, she just died and people are bringing up everything that she said that they could disagree with. I I don't. I don't know if I agree with that. I think that that is shallow and is weak. Um it makes them, It makes the people who say it and just talk about it immediately after she dies is weak, the very weak. Um. That's like you know when you just she's not here to defend herself, she's not here to speak up on it. So what does that really say about you over her? That? I mean, your your character. It's really shown, it's really shown yeah, it's like you can't, you can't wait, you can't we do we have to have this conversation now. Yeah, and you know, I mean, yes, Okay, she's made her comments and that I get it. People have their opinions and they are entitled to their opinions. Um, but yeah, I think you know, when somebody passes away at least wait, that's like the the what's his name, uh, Kevin Samuels, when he passed away. You know a lot of us, you know, we didn't take a liking to him, but you know a lot of people with him, Like you know how a lot of the women they were like ecstatic that the man passed away, and they're just like yeah, yeah, like come on now, come on, have some heart. Like But if I'm being honest with you, Darvo, I'm not surprised because I watch on a day to day basis, I see comments. I see every like man and woman, I see different individuals like and it is not just here and there, It is not just every every one person out of ten. It's like almost every comment that I see is bitter and hateful and negative and just constantly belittling and putting down others and it's just like it's constant, you know, making people feel bad about themselves, just constant negativity. And it's just like when doesn't stop. And clearly death is not the answer. It's not even it don't even stop when when death happens. Yeah, it's it's exhausting, it's exhausting. I mean if I, if I, if we didn't have to do social media because of what we do, I would have checked out a social media along. So yeah, I'll be honest with you, I have actually recently been drained of it, and you know, I do, like sometimes I really do get that feeling, like God, I just I just want to deactivate my social media, but like I can't do that. And like yes with my with the Ready Show, yes, but with my modeling, especially with my modeling, I cannot do that, especially like with my Instagram that is that is a portfolio, so I cannot delete that. As much as I I really it irks me. It angers me all the time seeing the way that people are. Yeah, I get sick of it sometimes too. Like there'll be times where you know, even there was there was one time I think it was like last week and I was scrolling and it was just it was just hate, have to hate, have to hate, have to hate. I was like, you know what, cut the I'm just I'm gone, I'm not doing this today because yeah, like I'm not doing this today. It's draining. It is raining. You can feel it through the device. You can feel it. It is draining. It is energy draining. And like that, like they how they talk about energy vampires. It's literally the same thing. You the same thing can happen through the device, like yeah, just like you know what, let's go back to like the nineties, let's go back to then, you know, I will I will say this, I will say this. I don't want to sound old um, and they will get to your next topic. Space my Space never made us feel this way, and we learned a bunch of different like things when we had to use cold we were we were it's CMLs like like my Space didn't make us feel this way, y'all. Okay, listen for the record next. Okay, So the next thing is this is another this is really another topic kind of similar to the whole negative thing. And I'm actually kind of baffled at this. I'm really baffled. I'm shocked, surprised, blown away, Little Wayne. I mean, I love Little Wayne. Little Wayne's music has always been Soto Soto, Like he's always been you know that song that's like you noticed summer gonna be good because he dropped his song type of thing. And it's just always he's always just put out good music. But what he did recently not so cool, and he's probably lost a lot of fans due to this reason. So recently Little Wayne decided he had brought a couple of his own, his new artists along with him to his concert. And these people in the audience, the fans, they literally waited there for three hours for a little way and to show up number one, right, three hours. Then when he shows up, he sends out one of his artists, and because nobody was cheering for his artists, like they were super quiet, like you could hear crickets, he got mad and he performed. By the time he has come out for time for him to come and perform, he performed for like a split second and then canceled the show completely entirely. And there were people that traveled all the way from other states just to come to this concert, just to see him for like five minutes and It's like, how do you get upset with people that came here to see you and they are there. They don't know your artists, they didn't come here, they didn't pay this amount of money and travel all this distance to come see your artists, and you made them wait for three hours. You have lost Joe, damn mine. You know, um I I believe in as as as you guys heard at the top of the show, I have a profound respect for this audience, for this network's audience, for the show's audience, I have a profound respect for you all because this show doesn't matter if we have no one listening to it. You don't have a talk show if you have no one to talk to. Right, the audience is what makes this business. If you don't have the audience, you don't have You don't have the business. You don't have a business. You have a hobby. And I don't understand how enter painters forget that that it is because of those people. Those people make you relevant. It doesn't matter how good you are. I I like some of the Little Winnie's music too, but it doesn't matter how good you are. There are plenty you go across this country. If you go across these United States of America, you will find plenty of extremely talented people that no one has ever heard of. It is the audience that makes you. It is the audience that gives you relevance. It is the audience that gives you power. Respect your damn audience. I am a big, big, big believer in that. Respect your audience, Respect your consumer, Respect your customer, the people who spent money to see you. I don't understand how people if you wanted to, and I can get how he would be frustrated by that. But if you wanted to promote your art, first of all, it probably would be a good idea to not show up three hours late. That's disrespectful in and of itself. Don't show up three hours late. I understand you want to make a grand interest, but it don't take three hours to do that. Second of all, if you wanted to promote your artists, what would have been a really good idea is hey, not show up three hours late so that so that the crowd was already restless. But also maybe you perform a song with your artists so it makes the audience care about your artist. Just thought. But what you don't do is show up three hours late, and then I can ask Because an impatient audience who's been waiting for you for three hours and now they're restless, doesn't care to hear your artist. Maybe they would have I into listening to your artists if you hadn't been three hours like just a thought. Dante thoughts, Yeah, it's crazy because I have. I used to be a big little Lane fan myself, and I just I don't check for him no more. So it's kind of weird to me that people will go to a concert but that shared neither hear nor the heir. Like I just think little Wayne was something that was way cooler ten years ago than than he is now. Um, I don't really see the appeal anymore in like a small drug addict who slur's words and you know it. It used to appeal to me. It did, But you know what the Bible say. When I was a child, I thought like one um, and I just think this is like another read like the sense of entitlement, like Pretty's people came to see you and you're gonna just oh, y'all won't like y'all won't like what I give you? Cool fue bro, These people came to hear you play classics. That's what the that's if I went to a little Wayne concert. I'm I'm here for you know, five hundred degrees, the Carter to Carter three. You know, don't really don't. I don't mean nothing from you from you know, after two thy eleven. I'm here for classics. I don't know who these you know? These young boys? Are you you gotta up here? Because I mean, think about it, most people that like would still go to a little Wayne's age or probably between like twenty five and forty. Yeah, they're around our age. So ain't nobody who they checked? These young somebo who was it Robin? Somebo guy we've never heard of, probably that came out to play. Let me see, I do not believe that isn't their name was in there, it says because and that's that's all you really need to know, because if it was somebody in Corton, we would have you know what I'm saying, if we would have known. So it's like and I don't want it to come across as like I don't like Wayne, because I mean, like I said before, when I was in high school, Wayne was that guy to me he really was. I but if you're going to a concert of his in twenty twenty three, that's the era of music you want from him. I don't want some young guy that you discovered from New Orleans out here. Bro, I'm not here for that. I didn't pay one hundred and fifty dollars to hear him. You could have shotted him out on your Instagram. Well and people forget. I mean, like you said about the classics Wayne, like Wayne came out in the late nineties. Yeah. Yeah, so he's been around for a long time. And that's why I said, if you wanted to get your artists over, the best way to do that is to make the audience care about you all. Yeah, somebody little twist, But I don't know if that's who the artist was. I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. People came to see Wayne. Yeah, it's like, ain't nobody coming out here to somebody going to a jay Z and Beyonce concern? Nobody coming out here to see some some new artists they got, Man, are we here for the blueprint? Jay Man? One of her you put we come on, man, what you're doing? Some girl was like not he had a whole temper tangerum, that's basically what it was, basically, and he was already three hours late. Like it's like the audience may not have done done it like that, you know what I mean? They may not have reacted that way had you not been three hours late. So I agree. I agree, because, like you were saying, I was thinking about it as you were saying at Darvo is like I really feel like had he brought his artists out on stage to perform with him at first and then been like, Okay, now I'm giving the stage to him because now we got them hype, you know, and that's really what you That's what I would think would be common knowledge, you know what I mean, just like you know, common sense, just like you can't just that's like I don't know, it's like you you can't just throw something new to somebody in someone and be like excited about it, you know. If they don't especially if they don't know what it is, They're like, what are you? What are you giving me? What is this? You know, especially when they paid a lot of money to see your ass and they're still waiting for you. Yeah, Like I would be upset. I would definitely be upset. So I I if he I'd be very very surprised if he didn't lose a lot of fan base after that. Right right next, So the next one isn't quite Uh, it's not really upbeat. I'm sorry, guys, okay, UM, So this is excellent artists. I did not know whom was here from here from Cleveland, Ohio. Darvielle was just telling me about it. Um raz B, who is from the group which was known as B two k UM. A lot of the ladies in my age group know who that is, UM, but but so ras B. He was having some some mental issues throughout the years UM. And recently he was hospitalized, if I'm not mistaken, and he broke the hospital window and he climbed to the roof. UM. And this is all caught on a video. UM. I did not see the video. I didn't go searching for the video. UM. But that that's that's I mean, it's like you don't know what's going through somebody's mind, what somebody's going through, whether it be something that they've encountered in their life, or if it's just something that they can't explain why they feel the way they feel and you know, I I pray for him for his mental health. I do, and hopefully they can help him find that balance and get him where he needs to be. Yeah, this was a a sad one when you talked about when you brought it up to us before the show started, because I mean, although I have not spoken to them in over a decade, you know, it's probably been even longer than that. Um. I was like in my late teens, early twenties, UM, I know the family members of the family rather and like I said, I you used to speak to a member of the family fairly regularly. UM, in my late teens in early twenties, when I first started in the industry, especially I was and this was before you know, podcasts and before like podcast didn't even exist at the time. This was before um, you know, doing conversations about politics and all that. This was when I was, you know, in music full time, and that's all I was really born with working in the music business. And I'm still those of you know, I'm still in the music business, but I got you know, other things that that I'm doing as well. But when I first started my career, um, you know, there was a member of Rasby's family that I talked to on on a semi regular basis, who you know, gave me a lot of game as far as the as far as the business, the industry and stuff. And so this was a so this was a this was a sad one. And I thought about that because, like I said, I haven't spoken to the family in years, and it's been probably almost twenty years. But this is, uh, this is sad because I know he had some some issues as well with some things that he's dealt with allegedly in the industry and stuff like that. And UM, you know, you never and I talk about this all the time, you never ever ever know what people are going through. And you know, you see people lashing out and acting out and stuff like that, but you don't know what they're dealing with. You don't know what kind of issues they may have. You don't know, you know, And that's something that I think people should keep in mind. We should all we should all show a little more grace, you know. We Uh, this thing makes the headlines because their celebrities. Um, but you never know what a person's going through. So UM, shout out to him and his family. Any of you are listening. I hope you all are doing well. Um, it has been uh, it's been a long time since, uh since I spoke to the family, but uh, you know, I hope, I hope that y'all are are doing well. And uh and I'll be praying for rasby that he that he gets to help that he needs because he's obviously obviously he's struggling and dealing with a lot of stuff. So on that chipper note, Robin disclows it like that, we we're gonna go to Dante's Heart Takes when we come back here on The Outlaws True welcome back. You're listening to the Outlaws. Make sure that you follow us on well. Like us on Facebook at Facebook dot com, slash the Outlaws Radio, follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the Outlaws RADIOO. And now the time of the show that we like to call Dante's Hot Takes, telling the truth. What did you like it or not? It's Dante's Hot Takes on the Laws Radio Show. So ice Cube was back in in the news or I guess sort of trending in political circles this week. Um, I guess someone had mentioned that he was trying to once again push black people to vote for Republicans, and then Ice Cube had a clap back and basically said, like, I ain't tell nobody who to vote for. UM. I just presented my plugs and you know, let the chips fall where they may. I think it it's time, though, that we elevate the conversation because we on show talked about some of the tenants of ice Cub's plan and talked about it back at the time. But as we were discussing earlier, when it comes to these political parties, oftentimes Black America is essentially left without a home politically, right, we got one side who can sort of take us for granted and really get away with anything they want because the other side says, we don't really have anything to do with you, we don't want anything to do with you. So it's almost like we're prized, and so we're sort of forced into this destructive cycle. Every four years we're here coming to Democrats where you just shucking job at church and then you know, forget about us. Right. But but where I want to go with this is to elevate the conversation because Darbio, you mentioned earlier, we need to acquire some of that political power right by moving strategically. And so how do we do that as we approach another election season? Well, maybe I should have did this before, maybe two years before. But really where that power is acquired is right after an election cycle. Right, what we often see is get out to vote campaigns and go vote and sign up to vote and make sure you're registered to vote, when in reality we've been lied to because oftentimes you'll hear black volks, especially older black volks, that make your voice heard. Go vote, Go vote, go vote. But Darbio, you said something earlier. When you're talking to a politician, they don't care about They care about can you bring them money or votes? Plural? So, do you have a platform that can bring them a bunch of votes? Your individual vote, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. So how do we acquire that political power? Well, those relationships, that money that's being raised is usually done in the time before we get to election season. Right. So we've seen Governor DeSantis and Senator Tim Scott announced their run for presidency for the Republican Party. They have They did not just begin raising money, They did not just begin building a coalition this week. That's been in the works for a while. They've probably known, they've at least probably entertained it and started trying to strategically build out, you know, their campaign and their strategy and demographics that they're gonna hit and where they think they're strong and where they think they're weak. That has probably start that. I mean, what do you what would you say, Darvo at least a year and a half. Yeah, So what we would want to do, especially at the local level, is to begin moving immediately after that next election cycle. That's where that power comes, right, Start making your voice heard at the first town hall right after the election, right when these people first take off. Then you can start moving right because oftentimes, especially you know two and four year terms, right, you're these people are if you're a two year politician on a two year cycle, right think House of Representatives, You're you get elected, and you're immediately back in campaign mode almost because your election is going to come back right back around. So you you in order to acquire that power that we were talking about to make these sides have to compete for our votes. We have to be active in the three years in between or in the eighteen months in between elections. Right. And so what my challenge, because I thought about this when I saw ice Cube trending again, was man ice Cube could have really capitalized on his plan in these three years with Biden. Keep it relevant, keep it active, right, keep it at the forefront. Right. I'm sure you have either the money yourself or you can get funding. Maybe start a superpack, right, figure out how to allocate these resources so that you can build a coalition before things start to hit the ground. Because once you have that platform, once you built that platform, now you have to be reckoned with But as the votes are being cast, as people are on their way to the ballot box, it's too late. And I know that that's kind of grim. But voting is generally the last step. That's the last step. You know. How when when you're building something, we see the grand opening, the ribbon being cut, that's election day. But we hear all the time, grassroots movements, all these you know, these catchphrases during elections. That is being done. You know, in the months, in the years leading up to an election. A candidate doesn't just start to raise money when they announce or the week of an elect No, that that money has been banked, those relationships have been made, So I would just challenge our community to begin building those relationships right away, right away. You know, I think one of the problems for us, and I see this also, you know, not only with black folks, but uh with Hispanics and working class whites also is we don't know where the levers of power are. We don't understand how the system operates. So you know a lot of times it's like that's messed up. Yeah it is messed up. But what you're gonna do about it? Right? You have to know how to access the levers of power in order to get anything done. And too often, especially us as black vote, especially black us, like we are in this situation where, like you said, Dante, it's always vote, vote, vote, vote vote, but it's not we never lay the groundwork for the things that happened in between that. And so part of the issue is we lack a level of influence to be able to have an impact on the outcome. And I'll give you a couple of a couple of reasons why we lack this influence because people know, I think people are starting to see that we don't have as much influence in this political system as we should as the second largest minority group in America. But the reason one of the reasons why there's there's several reasons why we don't have this this level, the level of influence that we should number one is what I just said. We're the second largest minority group, We're not the largest minority group anymore. So you lose a little bit of influence just with that alone, right, And when you talk about the stagnation of our population, that leads into some conversations that make people very uncomfortable, because there are reasons why our population is stagnant, and it's just it's not just because of the lack of immigration from Africa and Haiti in places like that into America. That is an issue too, because they don't let a lot of the man so that that is an issue too. But there are two other issues in particular that I'm not going to go I'm not going to go there now. There are two other issues in particular that contribute to the stagnation of the size of our population, and that harms us politically, and eventually we're going to have to have a conversation about those two things. But moving on, and Dante, I know you know what I'm talking about. But moving on the other issue is our political capital. All of our political capital is invested in one party when we have a two party system. So what that means is our fate as black people is connected to the success or failure of the Democratic Party. The reason why that's a problem is because there are many places in this country where the Democratic Party just can't compete. So if you have a bunch of black folks in Ohio or in name some other red state that is a solid red state. What happens when our fate is tied to the success or failure of one party and that party loses, that means we lose two. But if you're in a state where that party can't compete, it's not in our interests to have all of our capital invested in that one side. That's not that's not in our interests. And I'm not one of those people. You know, there's some folks that are like, oh, you know, all black people need to vote Republican. No, you don't need to do that either, because if you do that, you have the same problem. Like that's that's why we left the Republican Party in the first place, right, Like, because when when black people vote in ninety percent Republicans, they took us for granted. Two like, so that's what happens when you give nine out of ten to one side. Eventually they thank you for granted. So, when black people were voting for Republicans, the Republican party took us for granted, and then we left and now we vote ninety percent for Democrats and a demogrant partitics for granted. Maybe we need to split this up a little bit, you know what I'm saying, Because once you do that, you make both sides compete, and there's consequences, Like we were talking about earlier, there's consequences for inaction or negative action against your community. And also on top of that, it forces both parties to give you something because they know they got to give you something in order to get your vote. So you have a stagnant population, you have political stagnation. You also have other issues when it comes to the levels of power. We don't donate to campaigns. That's something that people never talk about. Well, like I mentioned earlier, the other side of what politics care about. They care about votes, and they care about money and the people who give money. Whether we want to We we like to pretend like we either pretend that this doesn't happen or we talk about how evil it is. But the truth on the matter is the fact that the matter is the people who give money to campaigns get more get more access, They get more access to the candidate, they get more access to the policies, they get more influence. We don't donate to campaigns. Black people do not donate to campaigns. Working class white people do not donate to campaigns. Hispanics for the most part, do not donate to campaigns. So we're at a disadvantage because of that. But the other thing that makes our situation, the one thing that makes our situation different is we have a combination of not donating the campaigns, political stagnation, and a stagnant population. If you look at our Hispanic brothers and sisters, they may not donate to campaigns, but their population is not stagnant, and their vote is more competitive. You know, they split. They lean Democratic too, but they're like sixty forty, seventy thirty, not ninety ten. So when you're sixty forty or seventy thirty, there's that means that there's enough of them on both sides to make sure that neither one of them really do anything to harm their community. That's what you're supposed to do. That's what we don't do. We don't we don't ask for anything for our vote. We don't ask the people that we vote for to do anything for our community. And then we wonder why things continue to stay the same. This is why they stay the same. They stay the same because our population is stagnant. They stay the same because we do not donate to campaigns. They stay the same because there was no political competition for our votes. That's why those are the three and there's there's more that those are the three big ones. Dante last thoughts, well there's another big one too with our population being stagnant, but that's for another time. So I would just challenge anybody listening, right and when we always like to preach ground up politics here, because really that's how the system is designed for you. Obviously, we understand right that at the federal level, certain things do really impact us, right. We just we talked about the Supreme Court earlier, right, the president has a hand in that. But you can't touch that, right unless you got a lot of money or a lot of influence. You'll never meet the president, right, You'll probably never meet your senator, but you can definitely have an impact in who sits on the school board. And you know, for your local school board, you definitely have it. If you have children, you can meet all of the representatives at your city hall, especially your representative at city hall. Right, this is the things that you can touch. Right, And if you live in a neighborhood, an apartment complex, start organizing, Start organizing before election day, start organizing right after election day. Right. I was talking to somebody earlier and they were talking about reparations, and you know, my thing with that is, okay, okay, I understand you want it. My personal views aside, what where have you? Where have you? Because that to me, is largely going to be a state issue. It's probably not going to move the needle nationally because neither party is going to lean heavily into it. Right, because the majority still is white, and you're not gonna find I don't think you. I think you'd be hard press to find twenty percent of white people in this country that will support reparations at this point. So you're not gonna get a lot that's largely going to be a federal a state issue. So how can you you can touch things down at the state house if you got a large enough voter blocking large and a lot of money and enough money, right, and it doesn't take that much money to impact your state race, right, especially when we're talking about representatives. So if you live in an apartment complex or a neighborhood, start talking to people in your neighborhood, because what do we know If you live in the same on the same street, you got the same zip code, and if you know, you probably have very similar interest right. The reason why I really preach local politics is because, yeah, I may be a black person, but my issues in Cleveland and northeast Ohio are just different than a black person's issues are in Phoenix, Arizona. So we are definitely still black, and we may have some common things in common, but maybe my interests go here. In that person's issues, you know, interests go there. So my best chance to really make a difference is the people in my neighborhood, the people in my development. Let's start talking. Let's see if I can start raising money, how can we exert influence, and then we can take that to city Hall. And it really doesn't take a lot of money to impact a local race, right or a county right. I mean that can be swayed on you know, less than ten thousand dollars, right, and if you live in it, you know, if you live in in a neighborhood and it's you know, fifty people that you can touch, right. Tenth thought, that's not hard to come up with if you really want to make a difference. Or do we just want to sit back and oh Biden Trump because you'll never meet any one of them, right, But the work that can be done in between cycles, in between cycles, and we can do this, right it. We see it all the time that a lot of these grassroots movements do take shape and do work their way up to federal elections. So put the national elections or even state elections. Right. We've seen a lot of times, you know with Democrats where I mean, we saw it in Georgia where just a lot of local grassroots movements happened, and I mean you get a couple missteps by a dominant party and boom you got two senators from Democrats, Senators from Georgia, which is I mean, for you just said that fifteen years are good, have been unthinkable, Right, I started somewhere that didn't just start. Hey, get out and vote on election. They know people were working, People were doing the work like you know, in between cycles. Right. And it's also the other thing that I want to say in closing, it's just it's a it's not a overnight thing. A lot of times in politics people want that instant gratification. Well, if you're going up, if you live in a city or in a county where there is a machine, it's not gonna happen right away, okay, or red or blue machine, you're not gonna be in. It's probably not gonna be a one cycle thing. You gotta keep working. You gotta keep working. So ye, I'm interested to see him where things go because I think we are starting to wake up a lot. And I don't just mean black people, I mean common Americans. I think we are starting to wake up to see like, Okay, maybe either you know, if I don't have if I don't have a million dollars in a super ac or if I don't have you know, a large radio show, how what else can I do? I think people are starting to wake up, So I'm interested to see you know where we go in these next couple of cycles, absolutely, and to circle all the way back to to to end where we began. There was something that you said that also shows reiterates the importance of shows like this one and why I demand that political figures show respect to this audience. Because the average person may not get access to their senator, but one of our senators has has been on this show twice now, right, So this is the importance. This is why I demand that politicians show respect to this audience because it's important that we take and we're not the you know, we're not the biggest of the baddest, but we have some influence out here, and that's why it's important that people empower, that we use the access that we have to bring people who are in power to you, because that's the most important. You may not meet them, but we might, and if we do, I want to make sure that they talk to you, that you hear from them directly, and you can make the judgment as to whether you agree with what they're saying, whether you believe what they're saying, whether you are comfortable with them or not. I tell you I don't I don't endorse candidates very often. I will endorse candidates. Um, I don't I tell you who I'm voting for. I don't tell you who to vote for. But I want you to hear from people because if it's a there has been senators, like I said, our our senator has been on this show twice. We've had congressmen on this show. We've had a couple of weeks ago, Lie ze Eldon, who ran for governor in New York was on the show, who was also a former congressman. We've had elected officials. We've had you know, everyone from from JD. Vanson and Lee Zelden to to Nina Turner on the show because I want you to hear from them because it's important. This, this democratic republic doesn't work if people don't get access to power. And the way that the system is, it gets harder and harder and harder for people to get access to power on the federal level. So we do everything that we can to bring them to you because it's important. That's how this system works. This is this is a representative government. So the representative government doesn't work if the people don't get to talk to their representatives. And that's that's part of the problem with the situation that we have, so so it circles all the way back we end where we begin. This is why I demand for politicians who want support, you got to come on here and show us that you respect this audience. Dante let not how to follow you, sir. Allow me on Instagram and Twitter at Tabrai t ae b r Ye Somali. We can follow me on Instagram at real Robbin O'Malley, follow me on Facebook at just Robbin O'Malley. And if you like some entertainment, you can go to my TikTok and that is also real Robin O'Malley. And you can follow me everywhere at d the Kingpin. That's dt H E k I N G p I N. We are out of here. We'll see you next time. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network, where Real Talk lifts. Visit us online at FCB podcasts dot com.
