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Part of my problem here is I'm so sorry I went got my nails done last week. I never get acrylic nails, you know, long fake nails, and I got some because we were traveling and I can't type. I'm really struggling to type. So today I'm getting these nails off. I don't know how the ladies do it. I'm getting these nails off. It'll be a lot easier for me to communicate. But Darby and I wanted to sit down and break down some of the results we were seeing. But in particular for us of interest was this idea of blaming black men, in particular for this loss. So we wanted to talk about our black men to blame. Who's to blame here? Who is the problem here? We want to help. I know I probably shouldn't be saying this, but we want to help our Democrat brothers and sisters. Those out there. Who are confused and don't understand what happened, and the mainstream media didn't help you. Darvio and I are going to do the Lord's work and we're going to help you understand what happened. 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I said that I thought he was going to win. And I also said that I was getting concerned that the polls were off because I felt like they weren't catching his voters like and people were saying, there's no way that the polls can be off the same way in the same direction. Three election cycles in a row. Well, they're right about that, they were worse. So I had a feeling this could this would be this way. I wasn't willing to like call a blowout yet, but I had a feeling it was going to go in this direction, and I kind of I kind of mentioned that on social media, like, if. X, Y and Z happens, this may not be closed. But I believe what happened when election day, the technical term for it is called beat down. That was a beat down. Yeah, that was It wasn't even close. That's the thing. Like all day yesterday, I was like, well, you know, don't want to get to ahead of ourselves. We all have. Trauma from twenty twenty first of all, and don't want to get ahead of yourselves. And I was listening to all the analysts and on every channel they were all saying the same things, and all the podcasts were seeing the same things. Let's not get. Ahead of ourselves immediately, even CNN from seven am, We're like, there's still a lot of this day left. They kind of already saw the writing on the wall. But as we got into the night, that's what I was so stunned by It wasn't even. Closed, No, just going to be a tight race. It wasn't even close. He ate that blue wall. I've never seen anything like that. No, it was a compilation. And I'll tell you earlier in the day, well early as they started counting. One thing when I knew that there was going to be a problem was when I saw and I was flipping back and forth through the channels and I went to Fox, and I saw Fox talking about Ohio early on and about how it was close, and you know, building up that suspense. Well, I know. My home state really really well, and I knew damn well that it was not going to be close in Ohio. He won Ohio by eight points in twenty sixteen, he won it by eight in twenty twenty. I had him winning Ohio by between eight and ten points. Last night he did better than that. So when I saw the. Riperters and the commentators talking about my state like that, when I knew better, that's I'm like, okay, yeah, there there's about to be a big miss. There's about to be a big miss because they don't have any idea what's coming. Because I knew what was about to happen in my state. And well, and that's what's crazy is today. I mean, I've been doing nothing but watching mainstream, just watching them melt down. But that's what's stunning about it is that they wouldn't have to be this hurt or I mean, I think I'm gonna see if I can play some libs of TikTok. They've been picking up all the meltdowns and all of these people. I'm thinking, these babies, you don't have to be this upset if the media would tell you the truth. Now we're gonna get into who's the blame for this, because I want to play the blame game. Today that we're going to do so. But I think a big part of this, and we'll chat about a Darby O is the media. You know, when you set people up like this, you don't tell them the truth, and then of course these people are absolutely apoplectic. They're so upset because they've been lied to. But once the numbers came in, Darby, and like you said, you were on the ground in Ohio, you know your state, you know what the truth is. And I hear reports from other people in their individual areas too, It's like, no, maybe we need to start like paying attention to the truth. We knew the truth, but no one wanted to say it out loud. And because of that, we've created a whole generation of people who are now taking mental health days today and having safe space crist spaces at school. But I think the media is responsible for a lot of the ants. Well, you know, it's interesting because, first of all, I completely agree with that, and you know, I talked a lot to the right about not letting their influencers and grifters lie to them. Well, we have to have that conversation with the left too. Because there's a lot of people who lie right to them. We've been lying to them this entire time, where these people had no idea that there was a possibility that she could even lose, let alone get her ass kid. And that's a problem because when you have people all the way up here based on a line, when the reality happens, then they collapse, and that's. Not healthy for the system. It's not healthy when the right does it, it's not healthy when the left does it. When you have this kind of situation like this, it is completely shocking to so many people. And it's funny, you know, I watched Rich Barris The People's Play It a couple of times, and he started saying, maybe about maybe about a week or two ago, telling Democrats, you need to start getting your people prepared for the possibility that she may lose and that it may not be close. And he started telling people that. Rich started telling people that, like two weeks ago, get people prepared because your candidate might lose, and they couldn't imagine that she would lose. Only did she lose, she got annihilated. Out of nine thousand whatever counties it is in America, there is not one county that she improved on Biden's performance in twenty twenty, not one. I have never in my lifetime. I'm thirty seven years old. I've never in my lifetime seen a Republican presidential beat down like this. He he lost of Illinois by five, He was down five. He's down five points in New Jersey. Are you hidden me? Yeah? It wasn't just it just a tough election. It wasn't just a tough loss. That was a blowout. And you're right, the Democrats, Well, the media, let's talk. The media will stay on the media for a second. The media lied to everyone, and the Democrats lied to everyone. They had to have known that it was going to be a blowout, And not only is that irresponsible, but it just also isn't fair. It's not fair to your voters to make them believe Darvild. This is what they sold the Democrat voter that they could switch horses three. Months before the biggest election of. Our lifetimes and come across winners like even a great Democrat cycle. That would be an incredibly difficult thing to do. And they passed it off like, yeah, of course, obviously this can happen. When anybody worked their salt in the political consulting game would look at that, and a lot of us did and go, it's almost impossible to mount a presidential campaign in three months, everybody. People barely do it in two years. Right, And you know, I just went and decided to look at one of my find one of my old tweets. So there was a reporter. The White House correspondent for USA Today said on October thirty first, he said, the Harris campaign remains competent. The spike in ours early voting early is simply cannibalizing ours election day vote. Per campaign officials. In Nevada, the number of our early voters who previously voted on election day is nearly three times number of d early. Voters who previously voted election day. Now, Kira, I responded to this, I quote tweeted this, and I set this five days ago. I'm about to retweet it. I said five days ago. They better hope they're right, because if they're not, Tuesday is going to get real ugly, real quick. So I saw this and said it publicly five days ago. You know, they knew already if I was starting to see, because it was about I first started to see maybe two weeks ago. That she would get blown out. So if I started to see because when those here's the key, when those early voting and all, you don't pay attention to the early vot numbers, and and they're right most of the time. But here's the difference. Was this, Republicans. Usually win on election day and usually get beat up in early voting. But the fact that there were multiple states where Republicans were winning early vote, it was like, if Republicans win election day, even if you have a little bit of a slippage, if Republicans win election day two like they normally do, she's gonna get blown out, and all of these different data points and pieces of evidence that was suggesting that the media was telling everybody to ignore that. They were dismissing the fact that every single battleground state Republican registration went up, they were dismissing the volume of early vote, and then the Democrats, the Harris campaign, and the media were making the bet that. This was just cannibalization. And that's why I said on October thirty first, they better hope they're right, because if they weren't right, she was going to get blown out. And that's exactly what happened. They weren't even close to right. They weren't even close. Nothing was close. It was. It was absolutely stunning. But I do want to talk a little bit about let's play this blame game for a minute, Derby, and I want to since we're talking about blaming the media, and you said, look, five. Days ago, I came out here, I made this prediction. I said it out loud. I knew what I was seeing, and you said that you weren't a Democrat operative. But even even you said that, so surely someone must have known that. But the media not choosing not to even look at those things like what was the media reporting on the last week to two weeks Ja six's abortion, and how great the economy is, and why can't dumb Americans see that they're actually having a good economy. That's what they were focusing on instead of warning their voters like you don't have enough people out there, you don't have enough Gamela, doesn't have enough of the vote out there. They didn't do their job for voters. And so then when the bill came due and finally some marginalized groups like black men and Latino voters step up and said, you know what, this is the election, we finally do it. You guys haven't been paying attention. We're some of us are going to peel off. Then they send Obama and his minions out there to insult and condescend to black men as if that was going to help. But clearly that was a sign that they were reading the polls. So I want to ask you this, Darvo. We've just talked a little bit about about the blame the media can get, but let's talk about black men right now. Because I have been watching for a week democrats like Barack Obama and Van Jones. Weep, cry, wail beg scold. And condescend to black men over the idea that they might peel off from Kambala Harris because they have other notions about the direction of the country. And black men did show out at least Trump's maybe gonna pull at least twenty five percent of the vote when all of a sudden done, we know the polls is probably really higher than that, Darville. Do we blame black I've seen a lot of black women doing this today. Do we blame black men for Donald Trump? Last night? Well, I mean it's like you know, hashtag blame black men's season anyway, So we're gonna get blamed for it. But here's here's the thing. This was a crisis of the Democratic Party's own making. For a number of reasons. One, first of all. If you if you know black men, and you understand black men, particularly black men at a certain income level, if you move to the side for a sec the issues that we uniquely deal with as black people, if you put that to the side for a second, what do you have. Left a man? You have a man that has similar issues and similar interests as every other man. Right, So when you put aside the issues that we uniquely deal with as black men. We're not that much different culturally than other men. So when you're doing things that are alienating men in general, it's only going to be a little bit of time. Before that starts to trickle down to black men. Too, you know what I mean, Because if you're attacking men, if men feel like you're attacking them, eventually black men are going to feel the same thing. That's number one. Number two understanding. That the worst thing you could do is browbeat black men into doing what you want them to do. Because what black men, the black men who are looking for other political options, what they are asking for is respect, an agency, and opportunity. The worst thing that you could do to a group of people who already feel like you don't. Respect them is to disrespect them. And that's exactly what happened. It was Therefore, you know, I was very upset when President Obama did that. It was completely unhelpful and destructive. If your goal was to get black men to turn out more for the vice president, that was the worst thing that you could do. It showed a fundamental lack of understanding of why you're losing these voters in the first place, and I said that at the time, it went viral and a lot of Democrats came for me. But now you see, I've been telling these people the entire time, this is what's happening. I'm telling you what I see. I'm telling you what I know a lot of black men. I am a black man in that age group that target demographic black men under forty. I'm telling you what's going on, and Democrats refuse to listen. Even Democrats who are friends of mine refuse to listen. So you get what you get. My grandmama used to say, a hardhead make a soft ass, and that's what just happened yesterday. Oh my gosh, Granma was soll right. I just want everyone to know. I see, we've got a couple of requests to speak. So I am definitely going to approve you, but just sit typ for a second. I see Priscilla and Luke waiting and I would love to hear what you have to say, So if you don't mind sitting type for a minute, I just want to wrap up this line of thought with Darvy and I'll bring you in for your comments. But yeah, absolutely, I you know, because I did the show. I also struggled greatly with those Obama remarks. I was, actually I've actually been surprised. The longer, the further out we get from those remarks, the more I think about them, the angrier they make getting over it. Actually, But I want to drill down on what you just said. I think it's very important and I think it is a point that stretches across all of these demographics that we're talking about, but of course particularly applies to black men. The idea that democrats and the mainstream media, It's not like they haven't been asking guys, where are you going? Why aren't you supporting our agendas? They've been asking since twenty sixteen. They were totally confused in twenty sixteen, they were totally pissed off in twenty twenty, but they've been interviewing people the strange, bizarre Trump water. Remember, after twenty sixteen, all these dumb millennial journalists are like, I'm going to drive across the country and talk to real people overall. I'm about to go try to understand the country. Forward right right, And they they they had the opportunity, and they whift they didn't take it. So since twenty. Twenty, black men and other men and women have been telling Democrats, it's not working for me. It's not working for me. Here the things I want. Economy, economy, immigration, school choice, please don't make me take this jab like these are things that are important to me. And every time one of their own. Would stand up and speak up, Democrats or the mainstream media will go, I don't know why these people. Don't understand that they're doing just fine. It's like they've. Been telling black men, so don't believe you're lion eyes and ears. You guys are fine. And you know what, black I don't know if I have to tell you this starve, but I might be letting you in on a little secret. Black men are dumb. They know when they're. Broke, absolutely absolutely. And the thing is like, you can't gas like people's experiences. You can't gas like them out of what they know to be true, right because they're living it every single day. And to go back to about what President Obama said, one of the things that really was offensive to me about it, One of the things that made me angry is once again disrespecting voters who are tired of being disrespected. You wouldn't they President Obama would not have ever talked to any other group that he was trying to win like that. There's only two groups of people that he talks to like that, people. He know he can't win, and black men. That's it. He's the only one that don't forget. This is the same one that talked about Bookie and all of that, and. Talked about telling black people to take your bedroom slippers off and go marching and all that kind of stuff when he was in office. He's always been this condescendant. And the thing that was the most insulting about it is like, Okay, so you ain't even gonna try to win our vote. You're not even gonna try to say, hey, this policy is gonna be better for your. Life, this is why you should vote for us. No, it was you dumb in words. This is what y'all need to do. You're supposed to do your duty, and that's that's the problem. There is a significant percentage of black men who are tired and you talking Tom like that. There's a significant. Position for amount of black men who are tired of being dismissed. You know. One of the. Things that my friend Nina Turner says all the time, and she gets a lot of criticism when she says it, but she says out loud that the Democratic Party emasculates black men, and she talks about the importance of identity and how, yes, identity is important. It's it's just it's just as much of a part of us as our fingerprints. But if you're not going to use my identity to advance a cause that benefits me, and you're just gonna use my identity as a blunt force object, now we have a problem. And this is the issue. Too often the Democratic Party uses our identity as a blunt force object instead of trying to improve our lives. They don't even. Try to win us over the way they win other people over, and people notice that they're not stupid. FCB Faith is your rhythm and preystation. I listen, my mom listens. Pretty much. The whole family. Said doctor and. Not joke contro. Listen to FCB Faith on iHeartRadio Odyssey at FCB faith dot com, or tell your smart speaker to play EPCB Faith on iHeartRadio. Yeah, I'll aimen to all that. You know what, Let me bring in uh our first, bring in Priscilla. She's a friend to mind Priscilla Ron from Colorado. Prisilla, I let me disapprove you and then you can give your credentials A Prisilla welcome. I'm gonna get up sys girls. I miss you so much. I'm like literally, Okay, So for everybody who doesn't know me, I'm Priscilla. I live in the terrible blue state of Colorado that can't get its eye together. And I'm a school teacher. And today we had nine teachers called out six and we get this beautiful email from HR and my principal with all these attachments about talking about mental health, you know, and I was like, what is this. I went up to my principal. He's new this year. I'm like, what is I said? Because he could see the no on my face, I was like, let me share something with you. This didn't happen in twenty twenty. I didn't have any safe spaces. And this district, Denver Public Schools, which is the mecca of all things, is dysfunctional. Can't understand how their policies in public education impact our kids. Okay, let's just start. Since we're talking. About black men's specific and I want to talk about black students, and then I can appreciate the gentleman. I can't. I can't really see your name. I'm driving the speaker Darvo. I love what he was saying because even though I'm not a black man, my father was a black man. Rest in peace. He died in September. But he was a big Trump supporter, big conservative military pro He was very he was very patriotic, and a black brother, black cousins, black uncle, male uncles. Right, So I understand how important the black male ego is because I'm teaching the future, and I can see how in public education we are just crushing our little black boys. We're just we're just crushing them, right, And. We can't figure out how all of like if we talk about d and all of the stuff, the woke stuff that public education thinks is helping our community. But we have the receipts and the statistics to show that the way we're trying to fix systemic issues in our country aren't working. But they keep doing it. They're not changing it. And we have in our big cities like a Baltimore, right, so we know, like they're so underperforming in education, and everywhere you look in big cities, our kids are not improving at all, they're staying stagnant. But those are the cities that are led by other black leaders, right. I feel like we need a bigger movement going forward to address this issue because we are in positions of decision making in our big cities, but we're not making change, kind of like Obama is a big example of that. He was president of the United COMMA was vice president of the United States. What did you do? And talking about why Trump got more Black support this time when you're giving millions of dollars to illegal immigrants coming across the border, but you're not talking about reparations. And black people have been talking about this, whether you're for or against it, that's not the issue. The fact that the black community. Was like, wait, hold up, you're giving all this money to Ukraine, You're giving all to these illegal immigrants coming through, and we're getting left behind. That is a slap in the face on top of all of that stuff. But yes, watching the milkdowns on social media and I was talking to one guy, I was like, can you at least try to play Monday morning quarterback? Can you at least try to figure out why Trump. Not only electoral college right since, but also the public vote, right, you don't understand why. It just blows my mind. I'm going I'm going to stop you right back there because I want Darvo to respond to what you've just said, because you laid a lot, but it was all really good. But Darvo, the thing Neptila just pointed out that really sits with me is she's saying, Look, it's not we're leading men behind, but we're not just leaving black men behind. We're leaving black boys behind. Darvio, you and I are friends because we met in the education space. We are both activist for school choice. We feel passionately about it, especially for our community. And one of the things that we've talked about is how little black boys are. They're weaponized, as you said, their identity is used as blunt force for political movements, but. Nothing changes for them. Nothing's changing in our cities. We have all these leaders leading all of the major cities in America and it's all an arder frigging disaster. So what do you think about what Priscilla has just laid on us? So there's a lot of impact there. So so give me a second, because I want to I want to address all the points that she made. You out there, I'll bring you in next. First of all, I definitely want to start by saying condolences about the loss of your father in September. I lost my mine in August, so I get it. I understand, I understand what that's like. So there's a. Couple of points that I wanted to address first. When she mentioned earlier about some of the things that we're doing to try to address our systemic issues and they're not working, I want to explain why they're not working, and I'm not And you. Know me, I understand the excesses. I've criticized, the excesses of wocism and everything like that. I do think sometimes people use BI as like a catch off for everything, and that becomes a oh, I stuck my toe, it's the faar the DEI like, I do believe people use use it like that. But I understand some of the accesses. But here's the issue. The real issue is that a lot of those things are trying to solve the problem with a solution that doesn't really address the problem. The true problem is lack of access to opportunity. And so one of my issues one of the reasons why I oppose a lot of the progressive solutions, if you will, to our issues is that they don't reward agency. They reward proximity. In other words, you're not giving me access, You're not opening the door for me to walk in. You're rewarding me based on how much I can be near to you, which still leaves you in control. If you give someone access and they get through the door and they have huge success once they've gotten the access, you don't have. Any influence or control over them anymore. And a lot of times, so in other words, you'll have a company or a nonprofit or whatever that'll say we ain't got enough black people that work here. We need to hire some more black people. And again I want to be clear, I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to. Have a diverse workforce, you know, I believe in that. But what happens is they'll create a job. For one black person and pay that one black person one hundred thousand dollars a year, but to ten million dollars a year in contracts that they have, they give it to they rich white buddies that they went to college with, when really the value is I don't really care as much about working for you. What are you doing with that pot of money over there, because if you're contracting with black businesses and black entrepreneurs and things like that. Now, I ain't got an answer to you like that. You know what I'm saying, because I'm providing you a service, you providing me income for the service, and I'm. Not working for you. And a lot of the progressive answers require us. To be near to them in order for them to work. And that's that's the problem. That's why they don't work, because they reward based on proximity, not based off agency. That's number one. Number two. The school issue, as you know, Currier, that's something that's very I'm very passionate about that. I believe school choice is a civil rights issue. That's the way I view it. That's the way I've always viewed it. And we are leaving black boy behind, We're leaving black men behind. But here's another thing that I want to put on the table as well, because it explains some of the things that we're seeing. Across the board when it comes to men. We're leaving men in general. Behind, and it's manifesting itself in different ways. One of the reasons. There's a number of reasons. Why I hate the black man bad porn that's on social media. Sometimes. One of the. Reasons why I hate that is because it distracts from the real issue. If you look statistically, we have an epidemic of young white men committing suicides, and we have an epidemic of young black men committing homicides. So it's manifesting itself. In different ways, but the root is the same problem, which is a lack of self love, a lack of self respect, a lack of hunging, and it's manifesting itself self hatred in fests itself. In different ways. One is manifesting itself in a high rated suicide, the other one is manifesting itself in a high rated homicide. But it's the same issue. So systemically, the entire culture is leaving men and boys in general behind, and that's why you're seeing some of the things that we're seeing in the culture. Right now, Priscilla, I'm gonna give you the last word and then I'm gonna kick you out of the speakers space because I want to bring Luke in. Yeah. No, I just wanted to thank you for your words. Jarvy Okira, you're a rock star. I love you. I see some familiar names on here. Thank you for creating this space. And the last thing I would say is like, now that Trump has the trifecta, you know, we're gonna have to hold our Republican elected officials accountable to not have internal fighting because all we need is for them to go there in the first hundred days and not actually do something. And as midterms, that's my concern is that they're gonna go like we're all in power and then start fighting amongst themselves in DC rather than actually get work done. So I think whoever has contacts with the Trump campaign the black community needs to make an appointment and. Say here's what we'd like to see for our communities. That's all. Love y'all. Love you, Briscilla, Thank you for calling in. It's so good to hear your voice, and thank you for everything you're doing out there in a Colorado. All right, I'm gonna remove you from the speakers and I'm going to bring in. Luke. He's been so patient. Luke, welcome to our X space Slash podcast recording on this day after Election. Day, D Day. How are you doing? What's on your mind, Luke, you're there. You're mute at Luke. Okay, yeah, sorry about that, Mike. You welcome. Luke. What's up? How are you? Sorry? My laptop was lagging. My laptop was lagging. Sorry, let's tell youself. I'm Luke. I'm in uh. I'm stationed in the US Army right now. I and I'm down here in ol Pasa. I'm on the border town. So wow, here's that. Yeah, I've I see again, I see something familiar faces here. I know I've talked to Darby a lot, also talk to it. I also know that several huge people here who are my mutuals. I've been thinking this, and I've been saying this shortly before the election for a while. A lot of people like I know, we've talked about focism, which is obviously tied to the whole critical race theory discussion. But one of the main things they say when it comes to basically people of color who lean right is that they supposedly, quote unquote, they may not say so. In so many words, they say that quote unquote have internalized white supremacy. This it frustrates me so much. See, I'm not a fan of Donald Trump, I didn't vote for him this time, though I didn't vote for Harris either. I'm i'm not and I'm I'm I'm most certainly not one of the people who one of the one of the folks of color who lean Trump this time more than before. But I'm like, instead of just screaming internalized white supremacy, why don't you actually talk to people, Why don't you actually just get like that there are Instead of telling people that they just don't know what they're doing, why don't you actually talk to them? See one of the issues I've taken taken with many on the right who say, oh, black people only mostly vote Democrat because they're you know, they're there. They've been brainwashed by the media or whatever, brainwashed by victim mentality or whatever. I've taken issue with that because of how patronizing that is. But isn't like, naturally, people on the left would take issue with that as well. But isn't telling them that they've just internalized white supremacy instead of actually talking to them and trying to seek the rational. Isn't that just the same thing in reverse? I mean, well, I'm gonna stop you right there, because I think that is the million dollar question, and I'm gonna throw it to our resident black man. Yeah. Well, first of all, yes, it is the same thing, and the issue is and I mean, we've seen this a lot, remember the I think it was the Root that wrote the that article that straight black men are the white people of black people. So it's it's easy to say the reason why you reject me is because of you, right, Like you ever seen like that that d bag dude who tries to higher at a girl and then when he gets rejected. He's like, if you be like you anyway like that? It's like that, you know what I mean? You know what I mean. It's like that. It's like, it's so easy, it's so much easier to put it on the voter. Instead of understanding. And I have the same criticism. I agree with with your your criticism on the right and in this regard to because I criticize them when. They do it too. But people in politics, you have to remember it's your job to win the voter. I've never seen and I always use the comparison as like a business. I've never seen a business insult its customers and make money. It doesn't work like that. You're going to go out of business. So regardless of whether you agree with the voter's decision or not, regardless. Of whether you think they're right or wrong. Regardless of how they feel about how you feel about what they did, it's your job to win those votes. So if they are rejecting you, it's your job to find out why. When you consult the voters who are rejecting you. Instead of finding out why they're rejecting you, you're going to continue to lose, and you deserve to lose. Luke, can I ask you a question? Do you you said you're a husband Trump voter? You're you? It seems to me like you are one of those. Voters that maybe you're you're there, your vote was there for the getting if someone wanted to come and pursue it did by Democrats. Did you feel like they made a case to you for your voice? Both? Absolutely not. See. Okay, so I'm not a reluctant Trump voter. I just straight up didn't vote for him. I'm like, I'm, for. The lack of a better term, I'm still I'm still still one of those never Trump like conservatives. But I'm for those those of you who don't follow I'm also an evangelical Christian, and Kamala Harris's platform is nothing. It's just the democratic platform in generalisn't have to be her, but she's she was a nominee, so I mentioned her. Her her platform goes against so many things that I find fundamental that voting for her was a non starter for me, all right, that that just was not going to happen regardless. This is another thing I mentioned. I do think the right, and I've touched with dark I think the right has Trump and the right in general has has an issue with being too dismissive of voices of color. I've been pretty vocal about that. I've written about it myself. But the solution to that is not to say, oh, just blindly vote left. If people of color are shifting in such great numbers to the right, although it's still not a majority, but it's still pretty significant shift, one that almost certainly helped Trump clinch the presidency in places where he needed to needed the votes. I'm like, the. Solution to right wing dismissiveness isn't left wing dismissiveness. Right you want to win, you don't copy a failing model of the inside. You try to talk to people, you know, ask them instead of lecturing them, you know, ask them, hey, why did you do this? What is the rationale? If you want, part of proper analysis is actually getting data from the ground, not not just pointing fingers and go and basically doubling down on identity politics. That's it doesn't work. And if Democrats can't learn that, like you said here, they got to get prepared to keep losing. Like well, I think to speak to your point, Luke, I think you may make a good point about the media. And to speak to your point, you know, Jeff Bezos came out and he and he wrote that article AVERASTI was a memo I think he sent with employees, but he said, you know, we're going to hire Washington Post is going to go back to our tradition of not endorsing a candidate. We're going to hire more conservative columnists. And by the way, all of I'm paraphrasing now, but by the way, all of you people who are throwing fits in the Washington Post employee pen right now, just know that no one's reading us. And if we lost the election this badly, it's because those aren't reading us. We're not providing information that they find valuable. So it's us that has to change course, not them. But we're in this really weird cultural era, Darvo, where it is no longer in common as he says, no longer in comment upon the business to please the customer. We're always supposed to be coming the Democrats way. They're never supposed to be coming our way. We're always supposed to The question always is what can you the taxpayer do for me, not the other way around. They don't come for us, they don't ask, they don't make adjustments thoughts. Yeah, it doesn't work like that. I mean, that's just the bottom line. It like to me and I have this same conversation on either side. I'm like, look, this is what you need to do. You either do it and win or don't do it and lose. Either like it. It's on you. And at the end of the day, attacking the voter, attacking the the people that you need to be successful, is only going to cause you to continue to get your head bashed in at the end of the day, and to go back to the previous the previous seekers point as well. You know, the Republicans are on the clock too now, like you have a mandate. You've won this big victory. Now you actually have to do stuff, and if you don't do stuff, then you're gonna have a problem too. So at the end of the day, that's what this is about. That's what this is about. You have to deliver for these people. If you deliver for people, people will vote for you. But what we saw during this election cycle is the National Democratic Party over and over and over and over and over again telling people. Not to believe they're lying, eyes, not to. Believe their own circumstances, their own situations, what they are dealing with. They did all kinds of tricks and told all kinds of spin, say, hey, uh, inflation is going down. No, the rate of inflation is going down, but these prices are still too damn I And that's and and and they think people are stupid. But people understand what they're dealing with. You can't. And I can't remember. I think I said this on on an interview that I did that. Somebody asked me about a month ago, my like my assessment of the race, and I said, the issue that they have is that they're trying to tell people, don't believe your own experience. And if you tell people don't believe your own experience, that's not not only is that not going to work, but that's going to turn those people against you even more because now they're gonna feel like, Okay, you line to me, you're playing. You're playing in my. Face, now you know what I mean. So that was that was a fundamental mistake that they made. That's why they got their head cracked yesterday gasolating Luke. I'm going to give you the final word. I'm going to cut your list to that me Daria k. Okay. Thanks. But this is also something that on the sort of evangelical side, in case any of you weren't paying attention, Trump has sort of backed away from, regardless of your own stance on the issues, one of the main issues that evangelicals care about. It's pretty well known to abortion right. Trump's been peeling back on that quite heavily. And one of the things that people have said is if you keep voting for this guy, even if he makes more and more compromises, they're just going to take you for granted. You're basically hoouring out your vote to this person. The same goes. That reminds me of exactly what Darvey has said, it's sort of. Like if you keep doing the same thing. If a lot of black men are probably thinking, if you keep voting for Democrats when they haven't really done anything for you, they're just going to keep doing it. And I think the huge shift, at least in part, the huge shift we see is related to that. It's related to the fact that just like a lot of anti Trump sort of evangelical such as myself, retired of the compromise him and his group keep making on issues that matter to us. I really do think, like like Arba has said many times, a lot of black men are like, hey, Democrats haven't done anything for us. I mean, we keep giving these guys our votes blindly. They're taking us for granted. We can't keep rewarding laziness, right, So, I mean, I think we can see a lot of parallels on both sides with their respective groups. All very good points. Thanks for joining us to chime in, Luke, I really appreciate that. Thanks for having from not let go, but. Feel free to stay and listen to us as we uh as we wrap up, and I'm going to make sure I go follow you. Luke. Yeah, No, I love what he said about you know, you have to everybody's got to be held accountable. And I don't feel comfortable voting for Trump because of the compromises he's made. But you know, one of the arguments is, you keep giving this guy your vote and he's compromising and he's going to take it for granted. Now I want to do I do want to say this in defense of Republican voters. They did make the Republican Party pay in twenty eighteen, right, we didn't get excuse me, in twenty twenty two. We didn't get that red wave. We didn't get the red wave because. Republican voters were still mad about COVID and about them wasting a majority in Congress and not getting rid of Obamacare when they had the chance. So I do think one of the reasons for Trump's. Victory is Republican voters did make Republicans pay in twenty twenty two, and it costs us that red wave, but they earned that themselves. I don't know what do you think about that, Derby. So I think there's some I think there's probably some truth to that. I think, largely though, what really happened in twenty twenty two, it was a number of things, like it's never one thing right, so it's like yes, it's like yes and so so yes, your point is accurate. And there were other issues at play too, I think, particularly especially because you know kids coming from the evangelical space and he's talking about the abortion issue. I definitely have to bring this up. The pro life movement, the pro life community was not prepared for the fall of Rome. They did not know how to message properly. They did not know how to respond, and the Democrats just did in every state abortion abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion of borsa. It was a noun, an a verb, and abortion. That's what they did in. Almost every state in the Union. And because of that, the pro life movement was called flat footing. That's one issue. The other issue is what you said earlier, that's another issue. Another issue as well. Is that in twenty twenty two, Republicans ran a lot of bad candidates. They ran a lot of candidates that were misaligned with their current voters. There's a reason why in the same state Pennsylvania that Trump just won, Fetterman is their senator because who fits the profile of the Pennsylvania voter more doctor oz. Or Fetterman so it was stuff like that as well. Where and it goes in some ways, it goes back. Part of it goes back to what Luke was saying. Listen to your voter, listen to your audience, listen to your demographic. Don't try to shove people who don't fit the profile of that state down those people's throats. It's not going to work. One of the reasons why you did have a red wave, for example, in in New York, you had a lot of success ironically in California at the congressional level. Part of the reason is because the abortion issue is settled in those states. Those are deep blue states. Ain't nobody worried about abortion in those states if they're being honest about it. So that so everybody else could just focus on the issues. And the Republicans were smart in New York and in California. They ran candidates that fit the composition of the districts that they ran in and it worked. Yeah, I also do I don't want this to veer off into a pro life conversation, but I do want to add this because I think you made an interesting point about the pro life movement wasn't ready for bro Here's what I have learned in my years being in and around the pro life movement, just mostly reporting on it. But I've done you know, sectivism obviously on pro life. But if the problem is the same problem the Tea Party had, which is like it's a bunch of just different groups that they're not unified. Yeah, the abolitionists. My friend Wendy you know Wendy darbyl You love her. Yes, she's one of those psycho abolitionists. Like she stands on the street corners with. The signs of. The pictures of baby carcasses, and she's hardcore. Like out law it across the land. That's hardcore. And she's got to work beside people. Well she doesn't. They don't work with groups likes to for Life, who do more policy related stuff, and they're more like, yeah, let's go stake to state, let's do this, so that honestly, the pro life movement is not unified enough to have any kind of unified responds to what's going on at the national level. But I will say this here in California, all they ran on was abortion. This year. All they ran on was abortion. There was no nothing else to run on. Really, I mean, it's just like homelessness. The border, the economy, you know, garbage in the streets. San Francisco has a poop app like it's so bad there's literally nothing for them to run on. So they just kept running. They just kept posting ads that were like, yeah, I favor abortion. And again, like you said, we're a deep blue state, there's no need for that. We literally have. Abortion codified in our constitution. We are in abortion sanctuary state. There's no need for it. Why did they do that? Because it's all they have. They're trying to scare people. And so I understand that the abortion issue was it's weird, but I don't think just because we're in a blue state, Democrats are going to let it go. And I can't believe how much of the California political campaigns were abortion related. Even a Republican candidates were pro choice. Well here's here's the interesting thing too, and I want to I want to touch on that quickly and then kind of like tie back into what we're talking about. Yeah, because what's interesting is and we're starting to see a little bit of it, and we'll see more as the data goes. What you're starting to see, you know, as we get further and further away from from the. End of the row. There is a law of diminishing returns when it comes to Democrats running on abortion. So in twenty twenty two, it worked. There was no doubt about it. Other other than in like Florida had a red wave, North Carolina had a red wave, and there was a lot of success in New York and California for different reasons, but other than that, they were able to blunt the quote unquote red wave. One reason was abortion. But when you have like this election in twenty twenty four, and it's one campaign is going really aggressively after men, you have seen that when they go too far, When the Democrats go too far on abortion stuff, even pro choice people, it can turn them off, particularly if your if your focus is trying to put the gas in your car, that's gonna be you don't want to hear them talk about abortion. I saw an interview of a voter a couple of weeks ago. It was a black woman in Nevada, I believe, and she was like, I'm having a hard time feeding my child that I have right now. I don't want to hear you talk about abortion. I want to hear you talk about the economy, and so you are starting to see that in this election, because they did the same thing in this election abortion abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion, But you are starting to see that there is a limit to how much you can do that, even among pro choice people. That's a really good point. That's a really good point. Yeah, you know, absolutely there is a limit. And it's interesting because it's interesting you say that because I think I even tweeted this out as I was watching CNN today and I'll let you wrap up, but they the CNN anchors was three women and they were just blown away. They could not believe. They were like, why, we asked voters in the exit polls what was more important immigration, border or abortion, and they listed, you know, economy, immigration, and then abortion. And they were flabbergasted. They literally could not get over the idea that somebody thought about anything else above abortion. To them, that was like the only a voter could possibly think about, which, you know, again just back to your point, clearly indicates to me those people are eating too. Good, right. Absolutely. I know a person in particular, somebody that I know personally who has a full time job and has to do uber on the side because they're not making enough money. Like that is absurd because everything I. Know people who are making high five, like right underneath the six six figures, like they making high fives, and they're like, hey, man, like people don't realize, like, we've never particularly if you're if you're forty and under, you've never lived in a time where inflation was this bad. If you're older than that, you might remember the Carter years, right, But if you're forty and under, this is the worst inflation that you've ever experienced. You don't know anything else. And we've had a period of time, a period of years. It was created artificially or not. That's a conversation for another day. But we've come from a period of years where we had relative low. Inflation and we got used to that. The inflation rate was low, the interest rates was low, and we got used to that. Now we're in a situation where we are dealing with things, like I said, particularly if you're under the age of forty, if you're forty and under, you never had to live like this before. And so when you're dealing with that, you don't want to hear them talk about luxury issues. You don't want to hear them talk about things that's not going to help put food on your table and feed your kids, and put gas in your car and help you take care of. Yourself and your families. And that again is an issue that the Democratic Party has, Like what's fascinating to me. If you understand anything about political history, you'll notice the parallels. The Democratic Party right now has a similar issue that the Republican Party had during the FDR era, where they were too elite, too highly educated as far as college degree, and they were too disconnected from everybody else. The Democratic Party is. Having that same problem now as they become more as their base becomes more college educated, which used to be the base of the Republican Party, but as they increased their share of college education suburbanites, they are losing touch with everybody else because guess what if your base is in California, New York, DC and all these other places where you have to have a significant amount of money to live, well, those folks don't care about inflation. It doesn't it doesn't hit them like that, you know what I. Mean, the issues that everyday people are dealing with, it's nonexistent to them. So to them, they can say, oh, well, yeah, no, the economy's fine. You see. You see there's just on. One point mood from here to hear on this chart, what are you talking about? Everything is cool? Yeah, I know you. Say that you can't afford to eat, but this chart tells me that everything is good economically. And that's the problem. They're they're so disconnected and insulated from reality that they think. And this is an issue with part with political people, this issue with the media elites, this is an issue with the elites in general. They're so disconnected from reality that they think you should care about the things they care about. But that's why they spend so much time talking about the stuff that makes them happy. But you don't give a damn about amen. I know, I write exactly well, and I can point to my own state of California. That's how it is here, right. I live in a very wealthy area. And they are particular people, particularly the celebrity class in LA and the outer areas, that they live very nice, comfy lives. And they lectured us during COVID, you know, they lectured us. They lecture us during election season. Why would you, black people, why would you vote against your own best interests. These people have no idea what's in my best interest. They do not live anything close to this life, which is fine, that's the thing. That's fine. Live your life, leave me alone, but don't lecture me from your mansion. Right in California, if you want to be middle class, to raise a family of four, you have to earn at least one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year. That's what puts you in the middle class, in the lower middle class in California. Yes, so that's like, that's what we're dealing with here. So yeah, I guess abortion or even things like reparations and those are important to people, but when they don't know how to put gas in the car and pay the rent, you know, your needs come first. And I'm just sick of looking. I just I've been looking at all the meltdowns today and even some of my own liberal friends and family on Facebook talking about, uh, oh, well, I hope you will, oh have fun with the price of gas. Thanks for voting against women just for your cheap eggs. They're so freaking about it, Like, yeah, actually, cheaper gas and cheaper eggs do mean something to me. You elite, this lazy, prick. Apology and then and then they wonder why they lose. So it's like you can either listen or you can listen to people's concern Here, here's my thing. You got two choices. You got two choices. You either listen to people's concerns or. You keep losing. That's it is one or the other. I don't want to hear all this complaining. I don't want to hear all this winding and crying and having to take a sick day for mental health because the person that you didn't want to win. The election win. I don't want to hear none of that. You got two choices. Either listen to what the people are telling you they want, or keep losing. And that's it. Okay, So are the Democrat let's wrap this up, let's bring this to ahead. Are the Democrats going to start listening to what people want? Or they going to keep losing? So here's the thing. Nothing in politics, and you know this, you've been around politics for a long time. Nothing in politics is permanent, right, Everything changes. I believe that eventually the Democratic Party will change and start trying to appeal to voters actual needs and issues. What I don't know. Is if they're going to have to get their head cracked in again before they do it right. We've seen the Democratic. Party get out of whack like this before, and they had to get blown out three times before they realize we got a problem. Breagan had to blow them out in eighty had to blow them out again in eighty four, and then Bush had to blow them out in eighty eight, and then in ninety. Two here comes Bill Clinton. Right, So what I don't know. I do believe that. Eventually the Democratic Party will get it together, because everything is cyclical, and we also know that the Republican Party is stupid too, so there's no one. Can defeat out of the jaws of victory. Right right, So there's no guarantee that they're gonna get it right. But there's a virtual guarantee that the Republican Party is eventually going to get. It wrong right, So nothing stays permanent. So I do believe that the Democratic Party will eventually figure it out. What I don't know is how long is it going to take for them to figure it out. The longer that you attack the voter, the longer that you put it on them, the longer that you say everybody that voted for Trump was just because they don't want no woman be the president. They just won't win their foot and pregnant and cooking at the stove as much. The more you keep saying that, the more that. You delay the importance of dealing with the reality of the situation that you're in. So, what I don't know is is the Democratic Party tired of losing or not. Sometimes it may take you a cycle or. Two or three to keep losing before you fix it. So I do think that they'll fix it eventually. I just don't know when. I think. I'm with you. What I've seen the last couple of days. I don't think they've learned anything yet. It's brutal. It's just brutal. You know. There's a part of me and I'm very tickled by it all, But I feel sad. For I feel sad. I've been watching these people. Van Jones is out there crying Darbil. Van Jones is crying. Yeah, he cries national television. He cries all the time. And I like Van sometimes, but he cries all the time. I do, I really, ultimately, I really do. But some days he just gets way out over his Keys. I'm like, dial it back, Van, and you know what, man, you don't need to be talking crap about racist voters who are afraid of a black woman and you're married to a white woman, which he never mentions and never tells anybody, which is fine. Obviously I'm mixed race. I don't care. I think it's good. But the point is is that he never does because he knows that. Like he's literally saying the worst things about the people that he's married into. You know, I just he's such a hypocrite. Sometimes it bothers me, but I do like man, But what I've seen, these people have not learned anything. I watched the entire MSNBC panel. The whole thing was them weepy, weep, weep. How did we get to a place where seventy percent of the country are racist and transphobd So now I don't think they've learned anything. They might, you might be right, they might have to get another jobbing by President jd Vance right exactly. And I'll close with this. The issue, the fundamental issue that they have is a lack of respect for the voter. One of my one of my favorite people is our is a Democrat, former Democratic mayor of the city of Cleveland will retire. And one of the things he would always say is, you can't represent that which you disdain. You can't represent people that you don't like, You can't represent people that you don't understand. So the more that they play that crap, the harder it's going to be for them to fix it. Because here's the deal. At the end of the day. Were these voters racists when they voted for Barack Obama, who did forty points better among working class voters in rural areas the cars did. Were they racist? Then? Where they biggots? Then? Like? Well, were black men the weakest link? When black men gave the Democratic candidate Barack Obama in two thousand and eight the largest percentage of any president candidate ever? Were we the weak linked in? So obviously there's something happening when you are losing people. And here's the thing that they never put into perspective. People can have their their views on Trump, like whether you love them or hate them, he gives you reasons to do both, right, But if you hate this guy so much and you think he's such a reprehensible being, you that should make you even more willing to ask yourself the question, if this guy is such a piece of garbage, why is my base leaving me for him? We need to end it there. I think that is a great question to end on. Exactly will they will? They have learned a lesson enough to ask it. I will say this. I saw John King. If you watch CNNA, you know who John King is one of those veteran anngers. He gave those anchors what for them. I'm gonna go fight and clips when we get off. Fine. He gave them what for because they they were complaining, pulling all the racist stuff, and someone made a comment about flyover country and we need to be bothered with fly of our country, and he lit into them and he was like, you're never gonna win again if you don't understand that these are people. They're not means, they're actual people. They care about their families and where they live, and they have jobs, and if you don't start figuring out what they want, Democrats are. Going to keep losing. I was like, wow, that was amazing. John King's a liberal, but he gave the CNM panel what for. And I think a lot of Democrats are going to need some come to Jesus moments in. Order to win. But hey, Barb, it from me to tip them off about how to win enjoying their losses and the tears. This is a joint episode. Darva is the host of the Outlaws radio show. They're in our home base in Cleveland. I'm the host of Just Listened to Yourself. You can of course follow us on Twitter, on excuse me x or whatever. Make sure that you subscribe to the FCB Radio network. So guess what's about to happen. Mainstream meeting is about to have them outdown. They're already becoming irrelevant, but a dog with their leg caught in a trap is a dangerous animal. They're about to become very, very vicious. 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