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[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_06]: At the topic today is Springfield, Cats Dogs, and the truth it's absolutely bananas out there
[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Darvia who from the debate the other night, just brings it to Ohio. The whole issue with cats and dogs
[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Before we get started why don't we just do a quick recap just in case there's somebody who
[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_06]: were wondering how to living under a rock for the last three days and hasn't seen a single meme
[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Why don't you break down what everybody is so upset about today?
[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so this really entered the public consciousness I guess as a result of the debate
[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the presidential debate when former president Trump brought up what was going on in Springfield
[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He said that they're eating the dogs they're eating the cats and
[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Referring to the influx of
[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: patient refugees and that started up a whole bunch of controversy
[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously so right and then it kind of went from there and we're gonna get
[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of into the nuts and bolts of what's actually going on down there
[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I have talked to several people in Springfield. I interviewed one on on our show the outlaws
[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And and did some research myself. I'd actually began looking into this prior to the debate
[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So I've kind of been
[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Peng a little bit of attention to this from the beginning so we're gonna get into the nuts and bolts of what actually
[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: What actually is happening what isn't happening and and all of that good stuff
[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically that's how this thing became a bit controversy and then there was a bunch of memes
[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Talks on with the and that be for the sick talks all these actually kind of
[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I've got that about it. I
[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, this is the thing
[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_06]: When this came up it sort of came up out of the blue really when we're complaining about South America immigrants and even
[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Eastern and Chinese immigrants sort of piercing that border this sort of popped up out of the blue as far as what we're talking about
[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_06]: When we're talking about immigration these days and but I think I think the reason why it's captured
[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_06]: The public consciousness so much is I don't even think it's a race angle
[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Of course, I the left was always gonna make it a race angle. I don't even think it's a race angle that's
[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_06]: really capturing the public
[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_06]: attention
[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_06]: It's it's that
[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_06]: This is yet another example of citizens standing up and saying hey, we're frustrated no one's listening to us
[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_06]: We can't get any help for all of these issues that are elected officials are dumping on us
[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And then the response from our politicians the political class the elite class and then of course the progressive left
[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_06]: The response has been you're not you're not really seeing that
[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_06]: You know and this is just another example of that for instance, Darvio if anybody says to a liberal these days
[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Gosh inflation it's really bad. They'll say actually inflation has gone down and and here's the percentage point and it's like
[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_06]: No I'm living this
[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm living this in real time and you're telling me it doesn't exist Joe Biden saying the energy crisis doesn't exist
[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Even though we all know this or for my my position of of being a parent in public school here in California
[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm running for school board because everybody was telling me that
[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_06]: There is no problem with triencing the kids in public school it doesn't exist that's a right-wing talking point of course
[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_06]: It did so this is just another example of that and even though it's been reduced to this whole oh
[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_06]: They're eating dogs and cats thing. I think it's more
[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's larger than that. I think the reason why we can't let this go and by we I just mean the collective American
[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Social media plane we can't let it go because it feels like another example of real
[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Regular Americans saying hey something that's happening and then the
[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Progressive left going it's just your imagination don't believe you're lying eyes
[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I think to
[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Even more so than that when I really start to dig into it and you can
[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You can you can read more on my new article at Newsweek in Springfield, Margaret's a technical on the cities most vulnerable
[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is out right now, by the way
[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Chief club there
[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: When you really look and examine
[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: What's been going on in Springfield?
[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a situation where these people have been abandoned
[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: By the government these are people get city in 1983
[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Newsweek deemed
[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Springfield one of America's dream cities
[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how good Springfield was at the time it was a picture perfect example of Americana
[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Had a strong middle class
[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: that was supported by a strong manufacturing base and
[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course as a result of things like napkin and some of the other things that took place that disinvestment and the deindustrialization
[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Made that city plummet to the point where right now
[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Right now it's 22 per it has a 22% poverty rate
[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And
[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: The median income is $27,000
[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Geez
[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_06]: So this is a population of people that exactly that it what is what is distressing about this and
[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_06]: That story Darvio that you just told could be told about so many
[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Small and big towns in the Midwest and the Rust Belt as you well know where from Gary
[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_06]: same kind of story there right mid-class steel town and then
[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_06]: All that all the stuff happened, you know, pretty much
[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely and and same here of course, you know
[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You know the Fcb is headquartered and cleavage
[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're very familiar which is one of the things that kind of inspired both of us could do this
[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: This space is we're very familiar with the issues that take place because we've seen we both seen it with our own uh
[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Right so
[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_06]: This is what I need people to understand and I know that progressive left is who are probably not listening to this
[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_06]: But just in case this is what I need people to understand that
[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Fork it about the race angle for a minute we can go back to it if you want or if you want to just pretend that
[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Donald Trump is a racist and people like me are racist. I'm I'm actually okay with that too
[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_06]: If you want to pretend
[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_06]: but
[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's look at the
[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Logic of this what's the reason it out let's take all of this to its logical conclusion
[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_06]: We're let's pretend that everybody in this situation is is purple but one
[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Group of purple people is from the beach and one group of purple people are from the mountains
[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And when you take the people from the beach and you put them in the mountains and you take
[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_06]: 20,000 people from the beach and you drop them in the middle of a town with 60,000 people
[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_06]: That's a culture shift
[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Suddenly you've got beach culture going on there, right?
[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't matter
[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Where are their people are from or if their culture is moral or valid the point is is that it's a culture shift
[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's point number one point number two. What is the culture you're asking to absorb them?
[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_06]: What's that culture like is it a place like Martha's Vineyard where people have
[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Hundred room mansions or is it a place like Springfield, Ohio where as you say the median income is 27,000 people
[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Most of these people meant I was not most so many of these people are on welfare probably most of them are on some type of
[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Assistance from the government now you're asking these 60,000 people to absorb 20,000 new people like
[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_06]: There are reports that it might be as high as 35,000
[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Over half this town. It's a culture shift
[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_06]: So of course things are good now and you're adding people who don't live there
[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_06]: So where are they going?
[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_06]: You're just in a great issue. This is a practical issue. I think I'm more offended by the fact that we're not allowed to discuss
[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_06]: The practicalities of this because the left has to make everything about Donald Trump
[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I think the issue too is and you know
[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always talking about the political ping pong game because we see one side go crazy
[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you see people on the other side go crazy and response to that side and then we end up losing sight of what the actual
[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the there was several reasons why I really started digging into
[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: This situation last week one of my followers who know I'm in Ohio
[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Acts me hey, what do you know about Springfield and my response was like well, I've heard a little bit but I've actually
[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Not done a lot of research on this so let me go
[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Do the research and see what's going on and and see about getting
[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Sources on the ground and things like that and then of course everything got super charged after it mentioned
[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: During the debate but really the truth of the matter is it's it's not about
[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: All of the stuff that people are fighting over right now
[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to fight about the dogs in a cat because I can't prove it and the people who I've talked to who are in Springfield
[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Say they haven't seen any proof of it either now they have seen proof of of
[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Geese and ducks coming up miss and they've seen that there's actually there was actually a police report
[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And a 911 call about geets so we grew that
[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But the cat the cats and the dogs have
[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Has been unfroving I've been told that from multiple sources
[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: In Springfield, but to me that's not even the most important thing right most important thing is the fact that you have
[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: 20,000 people in a city of 60,000 in the last three and a half plus years while the federal government basically told these people
[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Figure it out how is that gonna work first of all?
[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not fair to the Haitians you're putting them in situations
[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Right you're creating this environment where you are provoking conflicts between them and the residents because of that of
[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Course you are going to be resentful if you live in a city of 60,000 people in the median income is
[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: 27,000 dollars a year the poverty rate is 22 percent and
[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: The refugees are getting more assistance than the residents do of course you're going to
[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's say this Darvio no one is mentioning this
[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_06]: But from the the few statistics I've seen the majority of this Haitian population population is young military age men
[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_06]: These families these are families so these are young young strong
[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Men who have not been raised in Western culture
[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_06]: So they have their own ideas about how things like how we treat women and how we treat the police and all of that
[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_06]: They and they've just arrived here so they have no chance to some rates
[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_06]: We've got all of these were dumping them in the middle of this town and we don't think people are going to be frightened or
[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_06]: You know young women are going to be under directs. I've seen several videos from young women in Springfield or
[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_06]: High-O saying how they don't go up walk anymore and a town of 60,000 people is not that big of a town
[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_06]: You should be able to anywhere in that town like that's crazy to me
[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_06]: But this is this is
[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Your exactly right Darvio this isn't about the cats of the dog sing of sure there's a discussion there
[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_06]: You know is it true or their rumors? Why would it be but we're not even having the discussion if these immigrants aren't in that town
[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Forcefully already the point isn't the cats and the damn dogs
[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Everybody
[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to their city council meetings and begging for help
[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Because they don't know when to deal with this problem that has been thrust upon them
[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_06]: But I need y'all to focus
[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and here's an here's the thing too and here's the thing that first rates me about this conversation
[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there so many nuances?
[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many layers to it and it's hard to have that conversation in soundbites and snapshots and tweets
[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's a complicated issue. Here's the same
[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Springfield has been a
[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Place that is welcoming immigrants at least since 2014 the issue is not
[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Them being able to welcome immigrants
[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: They've been willing to do that the entire time
[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So the issue is that there's too many at one time and they haven't been given the resources to be able to
[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Integrate these folks and now it's causing clashes at the end of the day
[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not
[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Anti immigration and anybody who knows we know that I've said then multiple times
[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I I clash with people who are a hands-by immigration but I don't think
[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you can be a welcoming country and still question
[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's
[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Practical
[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: To bring
[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: 20,000 people in a city of 60,000 within three and a half years and expect they're not to be any
[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Corpse
[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And here's the other thing to it. I really want to make this point because
[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't hear many people making this point and I say this over and over and over again
[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Going back to this is a poor area
[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Where the where the median income is low
[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a high poverty rate
[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that I try to tell people all the time if you want
[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: To eliminate
[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Clashes like this
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Then maybe you should pay more attention to bringing
[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Economic opportunities to poor neighborhood because guess what if those people are making money
[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: If those people are not struggling
[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Then they don't view these folks as
[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Competition they don't view these folks as a threat
[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But when you take a bunch of new people I don't care who it is the lady that I interviewed on the show was like they could have been from Sweden
[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And we would have had the same problem when you bring in all of these people and you put them right into a play way
[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That is poor and struggling
[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not fair to anybody. It's not fair to the immigrants or the right there. I'm sorry
[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_06]: I have to push back on that. Let's just draw this out to the logical conclusion if it did happen
[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_06]: to be 25,000 people from Sweden dropped into the middle of this town
[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Would it be the same?
[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Would we be getting these reports or would these people figure out how to support themselves?
[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Like what's the population of Sweden like you know what I'm saying? I'm not like Sweden
[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_06]: There's something about the culture too that we're shipping in not all cultures are equal
[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_06]: So I don't think I do I hear your point
[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't think it be who's us to pretend that there's not this other part of it too
[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Which is why I'm saying you have to be able to assimilate people
[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome people but there's the news to be you had to go through the program and you know
[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, to learn the constitution and learn English none of these people are doing that anymore
[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_06]: They don't have to especially with the refugee status
[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So so my only pushback to the pushback is you still have that same issue if they didn't assimilate
[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_06]: But I'm still having the same issue of people going I don't feel safe walking around
[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Like are the Swedish?
[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no
[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Well let me tell you what I've heard from the residents
[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't even mainly that it is the issues with is the economic issues largely
[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Which would have been that would have been an issue no matter where the population
[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_06]: No, but that's what I'm saying
[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: No, you have to say it very poor
[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_06]: But if you if you're importing a population from a from a country that doesn't have a poverty class like Sweden
[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_06]: If you know if you're reporting that population they're not coming to the homeless right we've seen but we've seen before though
[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen before that you still had issues particularly when you have unscrupulous
[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Business owners and unscrupulous
[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Land a landlord that take advantage of that because there's several things that are taking place right now. So for example
[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: The residents are being priced out of
[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Rental properties and things like that because they're the landlords are renting to the Haitians and jacking up the price
[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So now
[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Not only are they taking advantage of the Haitians, but they're also taking advantage
[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But they're also pricing out the the resident so the way you're going to be in the food right so you could look at your flood of immigrants as
[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_06]: gentrification immigrants or
[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_06]: criminalization and regrets
[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Correct, correct, correct. So a lot of the conversations a lot of the conversations that I've had with people in springfield has revolved around that
[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Also
[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the issues that they're having in the school system so you have
[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: 300 kids that are recently in and they were also
[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: from according to the interview I could duck to
[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: 40 new kids a week that would come in in last year
[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And you have issues you have issues not cultural not necessarily cultural issues which we have issues just for the fact that they don't speak English right?
[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So now
[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they don't speak English
[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: That adds more of a burden on to the school system and
[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: According to the interview to a conducted it was it costs an additional $10,000 per year per student
[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: With these new students coming in so now you have a budgetary issue
[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean and the school there's there's pressure in the school systems
[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: There's pressure in the hospitals
[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so so there's all of these different things
[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That are happening of course. I'm sure that there are people that have you know crime concerns and things like that
[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But the majority of the conversations that I have been having
[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: have been largely surrounding
[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Economics and what are people standing while you're like the people you're talking to what are they saying about the city council
[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_06]: We keep bringing the residents in into this is if they're the problem right like oh there the racist or
[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_06]: They're the complainers or they're the fearful ones or whatever or they're the ones that have to deal with this but
[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_06]: What's so what about the politicians the citizens have nothing to do with this?
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[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So here's and it is very interesting that you ask this question because
[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: They have a very
[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna say unique because I've seen other cities in in Ohio have this form of government
[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if this is the form of government that that you guys are familiar with
[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But the way they have their form of government they have what's called a manager
[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: In council form of government city manager in council form of government so they have a mayor
[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But the city manager has more power than the mayor does and the city manager is unelected
[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_06]: That sounds like a tip of the hand your situation right there
[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_06]: You know
[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_06]: They are got in there or some city you know somebody somewhere along the way change that some mayor that is getting
[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Put out of office and he was like well shoot. I'll change this on the way out and I'll just go be the city manager
[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Right
[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Well and it's
[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The form of government and I know there are a lot of cities that have them at least in Ohio
[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: There's there have been a lot of cities that happen there are some that are switching to a more
[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Traditional route because when you have that that that city manager in council form of government to mayor technically is a member of council
[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's no the mayor doesn't really have a ton of power there really isn't any
[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Separation of powers and the most important person in your government is an unelected beer
[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a problem
[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So now they're kind of in a situation where it's hard they can throw they can throw the whole council out if they want to
[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But
[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The issue is with the city manager you're gonna have to change the form of government
[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah
[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, this is what I've been taught this way right my book Darvio
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_06]: So I think this is why I've been telling people you you you can't just sit back and depend on
[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Your friendly politician to do the things that you want them to do they're not doing it
[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_06]: You have to stay on top of it but not only that you're gonna have to get involved
[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_06]: You're not being involved in some way and so you need to take part these positions so you know what's going on
[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Again, let's take it back to Dolphin Illinois. How the hell will put me in head here get how is she's just she's still in there?
[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_06]: By the way, she's just through a hundred and five thousand dollar block party for herself last month
[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Like that woman is still there
[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_06]: So that's because a lot of people left the city council stuff
[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_06]: To what they thought were better folks. They didn't get involved. They weren't at the meeting say didn't know what was happening until it was too late
[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_06]: So it's really hard to get these people out once they're in trench
[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_06]: So you've got to always know what's going on. I
[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_06]: It does break my heart to see those citizens at that city council meeting and some of them are so heartfelt
[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And some of them like the one guy that works with the veteran homeless and he's saying you know you guys know me
[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I've worked with the homeless for
[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_06]: 20 years here and our veterans are on the street
[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_06]: And you're doing nothing about it. What's going on here? So I
[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_06]: You have to get involved because
[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_06]: This isn't just an issue of politics
[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_06]: This isn't the issue of what's going on every day right in for little local city council
[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead go ahead and let's one of my
[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: One of my frustrations with this conversation is like going back to what you said about the person with the with the homeless beds
[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Americans generally speaking not I'm not talking about everybody but generally speaking Americans can be very generous
[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it could be very compassionate and
[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: There are people who are willing
[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: To accept folks who are coming from
[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Terrible situations
[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're asking
[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Them to bring in folks and you treat them better than you treat the residents that are already there
[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if they're black white green purple or polka dot
[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a problem
[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's the thing that frustrates me so much
[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the reasons why I spend a ton of time
[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Most of my engagement
[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Politically is talking about economic issues and issues that not only impact the black community but also impact working class
[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: People overall and poor people overall is because there is so much
[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: There is so much of the stripe and all these issues that take place that can be addressed
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: If we just took a minute to start giving a damn about the conditions that
[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Americans are living it this is what I'm saying Darvia I think
[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I
[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Think it is past time for us to start looking at this as a situation of
[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, there are some people who just they they don't understand what the right solution is
[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm actually beyond that
[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I look at this and I'm not I'm not the smartest person out there. I have a degree in theater
[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_06]: You know like I'm not a rocket
[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_06]: You know I talk for a living but even I can look at this stuff and say okay
[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_06]: I know that if you dump 30,000 people into account of 60,000 people no matter where they're from they're going to be trouble
[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_06]: That's probably they know too
[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_06]: This is what I'm saying they know too
[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_06]: This is not an accident and this is why I keep trying to tell black folks y'all are being replaced and it's on purpose
[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's on purpose and it's funny you said that because when I was I didn't interview this morning
[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Once you're caught a radio and
[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: one of the hosts
[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Damn profit is the white guy nothing on the show a couple of times but he was like we were talking about these issues. He was like it's so incompetent
[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so incompetent that it makes you wonder if it's deliberate it's this is so
[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: A five-year-old could predict that this reaction would happen
[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but you saw Nancy Pelosi
[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Out there saying okay, I think these people are here now
[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_06]: They should have the right to say how our country works. I think we should give them a right of vote
[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_06]: So they're not even trying to hide it California you can already vote if you're illegal
[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_06]: You just see a library card
[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_06]: So you
[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: These are the things that are going to cause
[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: issues and and we end up in this conversation where it's like
[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: The people who dominate the voices who dominate this conversation are either the
[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Let them all in or lock them all out and and we lose like there's
[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: There's levels to this there are people who are willing to welcome in your an immigrant
[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Technically you know what I mean? There are people
[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: There are people right you know, I mean like there are people who are willing to welcome in
[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, other countries but is it too much to ask that you do it in an orderly way? Yeah
[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: That you don't call chaos to the communities that are impacted and maybe if you're going to cause chaos and
[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Swing a bunch of people in this small city
[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you should get your butt on the ground and help these folks to try to like they don't have the resources
[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: To help these new folks
[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_06]: They don't have it. That's the point
[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_06]: That is the point
[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Jesus I
[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Because look
[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_06]: They shipped all those people to Martha's vineyard and let those folks do they got them on a bus to ship them right on hell
[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_06]: No, they they figured out how to pull their resources and make the problem go away
[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Who can't pull their resources that people on the south side of Chicago and who doesn't ever listen to them?
[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Everybody
[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Right well, and that's it. I'm glad you brought that up because a buddy of mine that I was talking to about
[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: His mention he said look he said when it comes to when it comes to this
[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not about
[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Black or white. It's about poor. They do this poor neighborhood because poor neighborhood is okay do anything about
[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know I mean if one of my one of my followers had tweeted tweeted to me earlier and they said
[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: When did make more sense to send them to rich communities where they have the resources to help take care of these people
[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course it would the reason why they don't do it is in words of my grandmother that sounds too much like right
[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what he told to it. I always say that when it comes to here in California
[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_06]: You know the rolling blackouts and brownouts at Jalphibert because we we insist on even though there were the most popular state
[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_06]: In the nation we insist on switching to solar energy by
[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_06]: 2035 so no one can charge their electric cars in the summer. It's just ridiculous
[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_06]: So we have rolling brownouts and blackouts when it gets too hot because the power companies can't keep up with the demand
[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_06]: So whenever that happens inevitably I call or testify
[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_06]: How you do it, Kira you hide out there did they turn your power up and my answer is oh is no
[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I live in the wealthy suffer. They're not shutting my power up because these people complain
[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_06]: They're shutting the power off of the of the community next door to me
[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Which has a lot of illegal immigrant and suffers a lot of poverty and people are scraping to get by and
[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Those are the people who are the voices people these people around here are rich
[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Like they can I live next to rich people so no my power is not going out
[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Newton would never make these people mad there and his donors
[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The poor people he could get a shout about and that's the problem that that is the problem and this is why
[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Most of these conversations that I end up having goes back to that because we see
[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: We see not only do we see I mean, I know I grew up poor so I know
[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen the difference. I know how how they treat you
[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: When you on one side of the tracks versus the other I know the difference
[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But this is the problem the problem is we have people in positions of leadership
[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Who do not care about folks who can't give them money or organize votes for them and they issue then becomes like you are
[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like like the person I talked to this morning said it's like you're intentionally
[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Doing this in the most divisive way possible and that's the unfortunate thing about it because guess what there are some good Haitians in that group
[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: There are some people who really work we we saw the chaos in here
[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly exactly so we so we know there are some good people
[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: We're there's some good people in there, but what's happening is you are intentionally putting everybody in
[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_01]: the worst situation
[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Possibly because you're causing
[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_01]: conflicts you're making it harder for every that's on purpose. That's what I'm saying
[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I think I think this whole racial angle is always on purpose the idea that's why
[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Why the media
[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_06]: To focus they they of all the things Trump said
[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_06]: The other night, you know they want to focus on the cats and dogs think like that's a fun clip
[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_06]: I get it. I'm not against that but what I'm saying is they've
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_06]: The moderators and
[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_06]: The media have exhibited absolutely no curiosity as to why he would say that in the first place
[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_06]: You know there were so follow questions
[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_06]: There was like well, is there something going on there that would cause Trump to be so weird like this or like what is he talking about?
[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's investigate so we can prove them wrong
[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_06]: You know there's there's none of that but they went went immediately to all these our Haitian immigrants by the way Darvia
[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_06]: This is not new we have the same discussion in 2008 what Obama was running with Haitian migrants
[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And with the same discussion with Haitian migrants in 2002 we had the same discussion with Haitian migrants in 1996
[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_06]: This is in it's the same one every time you guys just don't want them because they're black and brown
[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Originally we tried to halt the Haitian quote because they were bringing in AIDS
[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Which we were already struggling with it so we didn't need to be importing the poverty class and the
[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_06]: The sick right we're already so this is nothing new
[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_06]: This is strategy because if you hate your neighbor you're gonna be easier to control
[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_06]: If you hate your neighbor, you're not gonna stand up for your neighbor
[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_06]: If you hate your neighbor, you're not gonna stand up for them against the government when they come for your guns
[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Or they come for your vote or they come for your house or whatever thing they're trying to take
[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sick of pretending I'm to sit you can hear in my voice Darvia. I know I'm sick of pretending that these are just incompetent people
[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_06]: That just haven't heard the truth yet because you know on this show that's all I do is talk about the truth and how can we
[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_06]: How could we spread the truth and let's logic through it
[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_06]: But I'm tired of trying to logic with with people who have evil intentions and I'm not gonna pretend anymore that they don't
[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_06]: They want to keep you sick and they want to keep you angry and they want to keep you separated
[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And this is all designed for you so and I need everyone to nut up and stop being so wippy about this
[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_06]: It'd be a while I'm a good conservative. I really love I we know we get it stand up for these people
[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and the unfortunate thing about it, you know a friend of mine listened to my show and
[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like you know
[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: They hurt the interview and he said man, you know what stood out to me is how normal this person sounded it wasn't like the
[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the hair on fire weirdos it wasn't
[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't call them saying monkeys and all that stupid stuff like in that one video
[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: This was a person who was just like we don't know what to do
[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We're just we're out of re we don't have a lot of resources to begin with
[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to survive
[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_01]: We're struggling and we don't know what to do we don't have the resources to take care of these people and so for me
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Part of and part of my interest in this in the first place is like I said this is kind of my beat
[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Right that's the working class issues poor issues and all that kind of stuff. It's kind of my beat
[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I got to news week in the first place
[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: But
[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: What really kind of stood out to me even more as I listened to her talk
[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And as I heard her perspective as well as some of the other people that I talked to is that we
[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: We have an obligation
[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: To make sure that this conversation doesn't go off the rails because if it goes off the rails
[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: We can't get no help for these people and when you talk to them
[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the most important thing to me. I want to let me talk to the people who lived there
[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Let me see what's good
[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: What tell me your perspectives right and when you talk to the people they tell you
[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That they're struggling and that's the issue
[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not about the fact that they're that they're Haitian or that they're black
[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even about the fact that they're immigrants. They've been welcoming immigrants in the springfield at least since 2014
[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the fact that it's 20,000 people in a city of 60,000 with no help from the federal government and no
[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Assistance whatsoever and all of the havoc that that causes in a place that is 22%
[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_01]: That is a 22% poverty rate and the median income is 27,000 dollars a year
[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't think of a better way to end. That's a great note to end on
[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I think you've you've wrapped it up succinctly
[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Darvio and I were to actually
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[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Let's not leave these people behind
[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Delivered or not what's being done to them. It doesn't change a fact that they need help and maybe we can't go there and
[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Put up tents and put up suit kitchens, but we can do our little part which is keeping this discussion open and
[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Keeping their story on the radar of America
[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_06]: So got bless everybody
[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Got bless America
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