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Follow me on Twitter at real Kira Davis, and of course don't forget to check out the great lineup of shows we have here at FCB Radio. Please enjoy today's show and tune in for part two coming on the heels of this episode. You guys are the best. Let's have some fun. Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Just Listen to Yourself with Kira Davis. I am your host, Kia Davis, and this is the podcast where we take hot topics, hot button ideas, and we discuss the talking points on those topics, and we draw those talking points all the way out to their logical conclusion. And today's episode, I wanted to take this opportunity to break down an article that came out in the New Yorker I Think this week, and it is about Republican women, and I thought it deserved an analysis and a breakdown and a response. I started to read it thought it was just so fundamentally flawed and incredibly immature. I just I thought, you know what, maybe instead of reading this whole thing, what I'll do is I'll save it and I will read it on the podcast, and that way my listeners can have sort of my authentic first reaction to all of the things that were in it. Because as I began reading, I kept thinking of all of the things I wanted to talk about, and I thought it'll be fun if the listener's got my absolute raw reaction to most of this. Now, I have seen a lot of commentary on Twitter about it so far, so there's that, you know. I may, I may. I have been prepared for what's in here based on what I'm seeing other people write about. But I want to take this opportunity to read this and break it down for you. This article, this is an article that was published in The New Yorker this past week. It is written by Rebecca Traster. I'm sorry. It was written in New York Magazine, My Bad, New York Magazine and The Cut. It also appeared in The Cut. Rebecca Traster is this woman's name, and she wrote this article about opining about Republican women. And here is the title. How did Republican women end up like this? The baffling contradictory demands of being female in the Party of Donald Trump. Already you were set up for some antagonism here. You can tell she's already got her judgment cap on, and already she's set up this premise right that The premise is that there is absolutely no reason for a woman to want to vote for Donald Trump or to be in the Republican Party, so already her The question is flawed. Of course, it's an exploration of what's wrong with you? Not how can I understand these people? And I think if we look back to what happened in twenty sixteen, and we look back on the shock that so many on the left felt when Donald Trump won and the post mournum on the twenty sixteen election on the left, besides the whole Russia Russia Russia thing, there was a brief moment, maybe two or three weeks afterwards, where a lot of these political pennants were asking what do we miss? What did we get wrong? And a lot of them, I think, most famously Van Jones from CNN came to this realization, but a lot of them said, you know, we really weren't listening to people. We weren't going and asking people what was wrong with them, But we weren't asking people why, or we weren't asking people to give us their side of why they would vote this way or why they would support this person that we think is terrible. We didn't try to understand and their problems. We dismissed them and so those people revolted and gave us Donald Trump. This seems like more of the same. So part of me, there's a part of me that shakes my head and rolls my eyes and says, they're never going to learn. These people are never going to learn. It's just amazing. But then there's another part of me that says, great, these people are never going to learn. I hope they keep making the state mistakes over and over and over again. So that's what this article is. How did Republican women end up like this? The baffling contradictory demands of being female in the party of Donald Trump. We'll see who it's baffling to. It doesn't feel baffling to me as a Republican, a conservative, and an admitted enthusiastic Trump voter. But we'll see. Okay, she starts out this way, can you provide a definition for the word woman? Tennessee Senator Marshall Blackburn lobbed this query at Kintaji Brown Jackson during your twenty twenty two Supreme Court confirmation hearings. Already, from the start of this article, it's a great way to start out. I guess this really sort of controversial moment grabs you. Most of us who pay attention to the note to the news know what that's in reference to. But then she the wave that she frames the question Marsha Blackburn lobbed this query about her. She says Blackburn was doing her bit for her party's effort to enforce transphobic gender conformity. So simply asking what a woman is is a the definition of transphobic. So we already know where this is going. We already know that this is not going to be a fair assessment of the mind of the Republican woman. But that shouldn't be surprising. And I'm not sure that she is intending to make it seem like an objective column. Doesn't seem like it. But then the the whole just the outrage, the moral outrage, the righteous indignation that she begins this with, all based on this idea that a woman asking another woman if she can define a woman, and that woman, if she can't define the word woman, how is she going to adjudicate cases that involve women's rights. It's a it's a it's not an aggressive question. It's actually very aggressive to turn around and say that's an aggressive question. It's also very strange, is it not. I'll read you this full sentence, so you have to listen to the whole thing. She says Blackburn was doing her bit for the party's effort to enforce transphobic gender conformity, positioning herself as a defender of womanhood as something fixed and narrow. I hardly know, I hardly not a comment on this stuff anymore, Just the incredulity that she writes that with something fixed and narrow, Well, being a woman is something fixed, and it is quite narrow, and it's only a small sliver of the population that is pretending that that definition can be can be broadened. And given that biology still says that there are there are there are male chromosomes and female chromosomes, it's not crazy. But see, she just starts out the article that this is how they said that this stuff up. They started out by saying this is normal, the way I think is normal. I'm not asking questions here, I'm not delving into the nuances of anything. Obviously, if you're reading this, it is normal to accuse a woman of being a bigot and a misogynist when she asks if a Supreme Court candidate can rightfully distinguish between genders, particularly when that candidate will be asked to rule on cases that specifically involve gender. But there's no there's no question about it from this author. She just starts out with the fundamental assumption, right that if you don't think this way, you must hate women. So obviously this can only go one way for the Republican women she's writing about, right, you cannot. It's funny that she is accusing Marsha Blackburn of making the term woman some kind of fixed and narrow thing. And yet here is this author saying if you don't believe that men can be women too, if they say they are women, and if they identify as women, then you are a bigot and a transphobe, and you are the misogynist. That seems like a very fixed definition of what it means to be a woman. If I can't be a real woman, I can't be a woman worthy of value and respect if I don't think like her and I don't vote like her. So whose definition is fixed and narrow? My friend? She goes on to say two years later, Republicans remain cruelly close to the realities of gender fluidity and trans existence. But how the party understands and represents womanhood more broadly. Well, that's getting weird. As we cruise towards November. With two ancient white men on the presidential ticket and the rights of millions of people who are not white men in the balance, the public performance of Republican womanhood has become fractured, frenzied, and far less coherent than ever. I don't know you want to talk about fractured, frenzied, and far less coherent than ever. Take a look at the rainbow flag, my friend, I don't know, have you seen it lately? Shazan to write this a true conservative woman. Valentina Gomez, one of several Republican candidates vying to be Missouri's next Secretary of State, told me in an email this spring speaks the truth, works hard, loves and knows how to use guns of multiple calibers, cares for the well being of children and her family, doesn't sleep with multiple men, and most important, does not murder babies. That sounds like a great list to me. Actually think those are great qualities for a woman. The twenty five year old Gomez made a viral ad in February in which she took a flamethrower to a pile of sex education and LGBTQ plus books from the public library. In May, she filmed herself running through Saint Louis, wearing a weighted vest and advising, don't be weak and gay, stay effing hard. I didn't see that. I did not see that political ad. Did you guys see that? That's baller? I have a feeling this author is not writing to praise that ad, she says. The day before, she had embraced her softer side, posting a photo of herself on X in a pale pink pantsuit and pumps, with a winning smile and her eyes cast heavenward under a caption restating Blackburn's question, what is a woman? Gomez told me feminists have made men the enemy. All Right, I'm gonna stop right here and say that this Gomez person or first mistake was talking to this reporter. Do not talk to these reporters. I think Dave Rubin has the best responses for these and Seth Dylan. Dave Ruben and Seth Dylan, who owns the Babylon Bee, they always have the best responses for these reporters who reach out for so called quotes that are only going to be used to make them look bad and trash their ideology. They always send something back with you're not even your fake news, You're not even a real reporter. I don't know why I would ever want to talk to you. I have nothing to say, And they'll usually snap a screenshot of the email communication and then post that for people to see, and that's twofold. It ridicules them, right, So it makes these people think twice before coming after them with niceties, knowing they're going to do a hip piece, make something twice about that in the future. But the other thing that it does is it prevents them then from turning around and saying, well, I reached out to Dylan and he refused to respond. I guess he's just scared. So ms Gomez in the future. Do not answer these, do not respond to these they are There's absolutely no value to it at all. Gomez told me, feminists have made men the enemy, adding land up alone with three dogs at the age of fifty with no kids or husband, a time honored Republican sentiment that liberal women, unlike conservatives, are sexless, unmarriageable spinsters. While she said it not me, okay, but even that rusty rhetorical frame is wobbling. In April, thirty one year old far right activist Laura Loomer, standing outside Donald Trump's criminal trial in New York, told The New York Times. Do you think I have a dating life? You think I'm married? Do you think I have kids? Do you think I go out and do fun things? No? Because I'm putting almost every extra bit of time that i have into supporting President Trump. Lumer told the paper she would not be at the courthouse next week because she had to return home to Florida to take care of her dogs. That's funny. I'm not even mad about it, because Laura Lumer is a lunatic. So, even though I'm not sure that that's a very logical comparison to the generalization that she was accusing Republicans of making of liberals, to this one Republican women, it's still super hilarious. I think it's hilarious. Okay, anyway, Sorry. Contradictions contradictions abound among many conservative women in Washington, right, never among liberal women. Liberal women are not contradicting at all. They believe that you should be able to choose whether or not you kill your baby, but you can't choose where your child goes to school. They believe in believe all women, But when a woman is complaining about a man making her uncomfortable by being in her changing room or being on her athletic team, then we're not supposed to believe those women. Those women are liars and attention seekers. They believe in higher taxes so we can fund welfare programs to quote help the poor, but then they vote for every government program that raises taxes and makes the cost of living extremely difficult for the poor and harms poor people in their neighborhoods and removes their resources. They believe in black lives matter, but they also believe in open borders and flooding black communities with people they cannot support and have were not asked if they would host. So I find the contradictions to be on the liberal side. But again, she's not a progress or she's not a conservative. She's a progressive writing about conservative women, which who she clearly hates, and she's she's obviously picking the craziest examples because she writes for the New Yorkers. So this is a woman who lives or person. I don't know if it's a woman. Her name is Rebecca Chaster, but you can never tell what these magazines regardless. I only know to identify her as a she. But she picks the most extreme examples of these right wing fanatics, if you will, Laura Lomer, Marjorie Taylor Green, and I wouldn't expect otherwise. And they're they're like that, they're legitimately available to be criticized and talked about. I had no problem with that. If you're out there in the public public sphere, you deserve criticism, public criticism. But it doesn't surprise me that she doesn't know any conservatives. She lives in a New York bubble, so of course these are the only examples she has to look to. She probably does know Republicans and conservatives, but she's probably if you can tell by the tone of this article. She doesn't seem like a very curious or open minded person, so those probably those people probably keep that stuff to themselves around here. She doesn't sound like she's real fun at parties. Let's go on contradictions about among coservative women in Washington. In response to Jackson's testimony, We're still on this Georgia representative of Marjorie Taylor Green attempted to be authoritative on the matter. I'm going to tell you right now, what is a woman? She said, We came from Adam's rib. God created us with his hands. We may be the weaker sex, We are the weaker sex, but we are our partners, our husband's wife. But Green, who has since divorced, regularly refers to men, including Speaker Mike Johnson and President Biden, as weak and is not shy about showing off her own brawn in may in the way. Okay, I'll stop right there. It's so what a bizarre again, this is why you have to think through These people do not think through their logic. This person needs to listen to herself. She just complained about mtgu and Laura Loomer painting women, painting liberal women with this broad rush, this generalization paint brush and not looking at you know, the plank in their own eye, not looking to their own side. And yet she goes on to make this incredibly just. It's an immature and thoughtless statement. This is how a sixteen year old would make an argument. An intelligent adult talking about these issues understands that when you speak in generalizations, it doesn't mean that there are ever exceptions to the rules that or that that generalization always applies to every single individual you can call. You can think that women are the weaker sex by the way that means physically. I don't understand why that's even a controversy, but that's the world we live in right now, the upside down. So you can think of women as the weaker sex and that men are stronger physically or stronger leaders spiritually, however you want to think about it. But you can also understand that there are weak men out there. Just because you think that men in general are stronger than women doesn't mean that you've never seen a weak man. Come on, girlfriend, Rebecca, really. But see, that is the level of analysis and logic that is being used right now on the progressive left by people who call themselves intellectuals. They have no critical thinking skills, so they just piece together these ideas and they don't have any through line in their thought process. She's taking an apple and comparing it to an orange, and then she criticizes MTG for acting strongly, right for criticizing mem for being weak, and then acting very strong herself. In May, in the wake of a dust up with Democratic Texas representative Jasmine Crockett, in which the two traded barbs about each other's appearance. Green posted a video of herself lifting heavyweight to a song by Sia. I'm unstoppable, I'm a Porsche with no breaks. I'm invincible. Yeah, I win every single game. So this writer thinks she's saying something really intelligent, like she caught MTG and some kind of big lie, this Republican and some kind of big lie because she said she thinks men are really strong and we're the weaker sex, and then she flaunts her strength. This is somebody who has a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of men and women and what makes a strong woman and what makes a strong man. You can be a strong woman without being stronger than a man, right, you can be a weak man without being weaker than a woman. I better move on because I'll be here all day, hot topics, the news of the day, in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. This is the Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts today. That's out Laws The Outlaws Radio Show, NFCB podcast. She goes on to say, under the surface, subcutaneously, there's a tug of war, said Nancy Mace, a forty six year old second term Republican congresswoman from South Carolina. Mace was reflecting on the tension between presenting as traditionally feminine. Oh my god, it's just so crazy that she uses these terms presenting traditionally feminine and deploying a masculating language that can make her sound more like Andrew Tate in his overheated Manisphere buddies than Republican fore mothers such as Margaret Chase Smith or even Michelle Bachman. Mace regularly declares that her male enemies, including former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, with whom she has a bitter rivalry, and Hunter Biden, the President's son, have no balls. So that's what she thinks that this is again, this is a fundamental misunderstanding by progresses a about the nature of men and women, and it's why they are such a disaster. It's it's why that is it's such a cliche of the of the aged, lonely spinster liberal women they have. It's why they can't understand why these conservative traditional marriages work and It makes them enraged that some of us manage to make this work and make not just work, but it helps us thrive and our communities thrive. And they can't stand it because they are so committed to this point of view that there's their Their view is the binary view. Do you understand they have no room for nuance in gender, in gender expression? If you will, they have no room for nuance. So she has decided that you are either one or the other. You're either masculine or you are quote feminine. You're either weak or you're strong. And you can't ever mix those twos or employ those two or blend them in a way that benefits you in certain situations. But a woman is not smart enough to move in and out of those aspects of her nature in order to get what she wants and do what she needs. That's the binder review. You're either you're either the what makes you a woman is being masculine, right, or what makes you a woman is being super feminine. And she's upset that these Republican women have these sort of stereotypical divisions of what gender is. She's upset about that, but those are her divisions. These are the women with the open mind. Right, These are the women who are saying, yes, a woman is all of these things, like I'm not going to tolerate a weak man. Yes I will. I'm a strong woman. I will run over a weak man. I want strong men around me. Women are the weaker sex, and so we prefer to be led by strong men, and weaker men get kicked in the balls. I don't think that that is only difficult to understand if you have a fundamental misunderstanding about the nature of gender and nuance, and so these are the people that want to erase all nuance, at all thought and all perspective and analysis. You think like this, or you think like that. If you think men are strong, then you're never allowed to be strong as a woman. You're never allowed obviously, but obviously also the other problem here is that these she I can tell she thinks she's very clever writing this. She thinks she's making a very clever argument. To me, it falls apart almost immediately to me. It's just a real peak into the mind of the East Coast liberal. This is a peak into a mind of a thoughtless person, someone who is who has gotten so used to the clapter, right, cheer clapping, clapping, h these ideas like you see the view just steal clapping. She's so used to that just for saying certain buzzwords that she has never really put any real thought into the arguments that she's putting out there. And nance looks like Nancy Mace talked to her too. I would say that's a mistake for Nancy Mace. But I'm pretty sure Nancy Mace is buying for that VP position show. She's going to take all the media she can get. All right, there are traditional roles of women in society, some biological we're meant to nurture, for men to breastfeed our kids, Mace told me over Zoom. But my mom worked. I've worked my entire life since I was fifteen. It's a balance between what's your feminine side and your main character energy. Mace was explicit, I do have main character energy. I am an alpha dog, and so is my little six pound dog Libby. Right, that's probably why she's in politics. I don't think alpha dog works for a relationship, but it probably works if you want to be a woman in politics. The Republican women seeking to steer their party into the future are finding themselves in a series of constrictive finds. I don't think any of us think we're in a constrictive bind Rebecca. I think you're the only person that thinks that. But obviously this is from your point of view between upholding conservative white patriarchy that has outlawed abortion and asserting their value as women, or again, here is it again, The whole premise of this argument is faulty. And I'm not saying she's trying to convince anyone. Sounds to me like she's preaching to the choir. She's not making any kind of reasoned argument. So let's try to remember that as we dig through this. But again there is that fundamental of course, she's confused about what people like me think and why we vote the way we do. Of course she is, because she automatically equates support with abortion with womanhood. She doesn't even leave room for her mom in her mind to ask or understand or even try to comprehend why some many women like me find abortion abhorrent and we actually find it anti feminist and anti woman, especially when you're killing a baby girl. You know, she just assumes, and so that's got to be difficult for a Republican woman, because how do you tell the traditional line or you know, how do you be strong? But then you've got to uphold pro life positions and policies, and she sees them as automatically contradicting. How can she think anything else of Republican women. So there's obviously no room in here for her to change her mind about anything moving forward. Okay, So to finish the sentence between upholding a conservative white patriarchy that has outlawed abortion and asserting their value as women, I'm sorry, I can't. I can't. So if you have to deal with pro life people, that means you cannot assert your value as a woman if your pro life so pro life diminishes a woman's value. I think killing women diminishes their back, right, I think killing a baby girl before she has a chance to become a woman really diminishes her value. But that's just me, Rebecca. Okay, I'll try to get through this sentence, all right, starting the value is women between projecting traditional notions of compliant, cheerful femininity and challenge channeling the testosterone driven rage of the conservative infotainment complex. Okay, oh my gosh. Projecting traditional notions of compliant, cheerful femininity, which one of us, Rebecca, is a person looking at women and telling them, if you feel uncomfortably because a man wants to change next to you in the women's locker room and he says he's allowed you because he's a woman too. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, you need to get over yourself. You need counseling, you need to quit the job, or quit the athletics team or whatever. That you're the problem. So these are the people who are looking women those same These are the same people who say, oh, it's so offensive when someone looks at a woman and says, just smile, just smile. Oh we hate that, ugh, misogynists. Just smile. And yet that's what you do every time to conservative women or just regular regular women who don't want to have to change next to a penis in their locker room. And what do you tell them? You just smile, Just be happy, just be kind, be nice. You're being so cruel. You're the one who are asking women to be compliant, Rebecca, that's you, just the cognitive dissonance of the person who has to make this argument. It's astonishing how little thought people put in to their arguments these days. It's astonishing, and she says, just channeling the testosterone driven rage of the conservative imputainment complex. Again, Rebecca, have you looked at the transactivists out there who are are growing drinks at people, hot drinks, cold drinks, who are assaulting people at protests, who are going on social media and saying the most vile thing about those of us who don't want to welcome their point of view into our classrooms or our children's lives. This is utter projection. This is complete and utter projection. There is no other term for this. Is there a rage filled element to the infotainment complex? Yes, that's definitely not conservative. That's just the infotainment complex, right, And I think we could look to a lot of people on your side of the fence, Rebecca, and say the same thing most people right there is a liberal equivalent to an Andrew Tate. By the way, most conservatives don't claim Andrew Tate, of course, because he's an infotainer. He's not a political activist, right, He's not out there marching with me against whatever higher taxes, Obamacare or Prop forty seven or whatever there is for me to protest here in California. He's not out there with me at those marches. He's not speaking at those marches. That's not what he's doing. So you're you're falling for the trap, Rebecca, the infotainment trap, which is you're taking these people who are just entertainers and you're saying, look, there are the people who really represent intellectual political discussion for this group of people. Talk about generalizing, right, But I wouldn't expect her to know any better because she clearly doesn't have a diverse group of people around her, or she certainly would never written this article. Republican women are seeking to steer their party into the future, and they're finding themselves in a series of constrictive binds. Oh, I already read that. Sorry, Oh. And above all, between trying to build independent political identities and slavishly following Donald Trump, I know Rebecca does not slavishly follow any politician. I bet she's perfectly objective about Barack Obama and Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton. And I bet if you come to her with arguments about perhaps some of the shady things these people have been involved in, or maybe some of the policies that they've supported that actually directly contradict her values. I bet she listens to those arguments with an open mind. She's not like you, you slavish right wing nut jobs. She's not like you. Let's see, this devotion has come at the cost of alienating suburban white women who have been crucial to Republicans for decades, but since twenty sixteen, have been peeling away in response to Trump's pussy grabbing malevolence and his party's ruthless campaign against reproductive ruthless again projection. You know, the idea of using ruthless to describe somebody who wants to protect the life of an infant, that is, that's just that's biblical upside downness. I just made that up, But you know that's it's bib That is a biblical level of flipping the script. Right, that's just as the word predicts that in those last days, you know, right will be considered wrong and vice versa. This is that it's just and and and I think we're all over the fake moral outrage over Trump's comments about that. Uh, you know when you My daughter came home from school recently a few months ago and told me that they learned about the blue dress and Monica Lewinsky and was absolutely floored, was absolutely shocked. You may think that all kids are have seen pretty much everything with the amount of pornography available to them on the internet, but there are still a fair number of children who are learning about blow jobs from their history class, and my daughter was one of them. That's y'all. That's y'all. So again, this is written from one point of view, and her point of view is very clear. This isn't an article for me, and I have to remember this while I'm reading it. This is for her New York limousine crowd. She says. It's surely a nasty tangle for them, But for those of us watching at home, Republican women's efforts to bridge these impossible cabins chasms have a stupefying quality. What to make up these women? I'm okay, let's find out what is Rebecca gonna make of us Republican women. Let's find out, As the Alabama political columnist Kyle Whitmeyer wrote, after Katie Britt, the state's US senator, delivered the response to Joe Biden State of the Union address from her kitchen in a demonic whisper, Oh, Rebecca honey, don't be talking about demons. Katie Britt glitched out on national television and left millions of American asking what the heck they had just watched again projection, This is literally what we say every time we see the Democrat president Joe Biden on TV and his vice president Kamala Harris. You want to talk about somebody who blips out glitches out on live TV, look no further than your own backyard, honey. Weeks later, South Dakota Governor Christy Nomes's strenuous efforts to show off her casually cruel streak to Trump derailed her own vice presidential audition when it emerged that her book contained a story about how once she shot her puppy and left a body to rot in a graph. I did a just saying on that. That's my little short snippets that I do. So if you want to go listen to how I felt about that anyway. Continuing, then there's the duck lipped, smoky eyed stylings of Donald Trump Junior's fiance Kimberly Gilfoyle, who danced to Gloria shortly before insurrection is tour through the Capitol on January twenty six twenty twenty one tour through the Capitol, and this spring announced a children's book called The Princess and Her Pups. The former president's daughter in law, RNC coach hair Laura Trump, recently promised four years of scorched Earth when Donald Trump retakes the White House and posted a video of herself in sequined pants and stilettos as she played Let It Be on piano. The gun toting Congresswoman Lauren Bobert, who has railed against teaching kids how to have and enjoy sex, even same sex sex, how to pleasure themselves, that's all un quote, So I guess that's what she said. Yet last year last fall, was ejected from a theater for leude behavior that including grabbing her day to Dade's crotch during the performance. Okay, let's pause there. I know I'm not supposed to be making arguments to individual you know, obviously she's a headline reader. But again, I just want to go this is a logic podcast, right, this is a critical thinking podcast, So let's analyze what she just said. It goes back to that idea was talking about earlier, about the cognitive dissonance, about how These people don't think through their ideas, they don't logic it out. They say the things that are going to get the clapter. Right. Oh, look at Bobert. She's upset. She says, she's railing against teaching kids how to have and enjoy sex, even same sex, and how to pleasure themselves. And then she says, she implies that Bobert is some kind of hypocrite because she got caught feeling up her date in a dark theater. Now, if that might might not be super classy, fair enough, but I don't think it's comparable to what Bobert said. Now, if Lauren Bobert was taking her teenage daughter's hand and guiding it towards her dates crotch and telling her teenage daughter, this is how you pleasure a man in a dark theater, yeah, that would be a problem. And they think that goes to the point. This is a false equivalence. But in Rebecca's mind, and this is actually starting to worry me about the progressive left. So those of you who still have some kind of sanity but call yourselves progressive, you need to start looking at this creep. Right, This is a creep. This is a cultural creep. This is this idea is creeping in of equating sex across the age spectrum. We're taught, we meaning common sense, people like me and those of us who vote for people like Lauren Bobert. We're saying, we don't think you should teach these kinds of things to children. These are adult things. Lauren Bobert is an adult. Again, is it very classy that she did that? Maybe not. But she's not a teenage girl and he wasn't a teenage boy. Those are two consenting adults. Those are conversations that adults should and can be having. We're saying, keep them away from children. Rebecca's equating those things. It makes me nervous for you. Rebecca Mace made headlines in twenty twenty three for joking about her sex life to a room full of Christian conservatives that a prayer breakfast. Yeah, that was just really be on the pay life. I was pretty shocked at that. One girl, you're at the prayer breakfast. You don't joke about turning down your living lover for sex before you went to the prayer breakfast. That doesn't even seem controversial, Rebecca. But see she's a New York limousine liberal. She don't go to church. You don't know what the culture's like. Now, you stay away from all references like that. I mean, everybody knows church folks do crazy things because church folks are regular folks. They're human beings, and we all do things that someone else would find terrible or sinful or Yeah, we're all out there doing stuff. I get that, but you don't hint around that stuff at the prayer breakfast. All right, getting caught up on let me move on. Some of this is surely just old fashioned political hypocrisy. Again, I just explained to you why it's not hypocrisy at all. But Rebecca has not fought through this particularly unpleasant coming from a right that has for generations sought to police all sorts of things that itself engages in. Do as I legislate, not as I do. I don't know what that means. I mean again, this is still projection. So there she's writing for the political ideology that has literally spent the last four years censoring people and working to censor people from public expression, uh, and even working to punish them through the law or through their jobs for saying true things like Hunter Biden's laptop is rail that's what that's who these people are. Are you wanting? It's not normalize people like if you've expressed an anti vaccine mindset, Oh, you shouldn't be normalized. We should censor those people, right. Projection, absolute projection, hot topics, the news of the in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. It's The Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts. Today. That's out Laws, The Outlaws Radio Show, n FCB podcasts, and a post Stops political climate in which Republicans have grown only more aggressive on issues of gender identity, contraception, and sex education. The ways in which the party's women have been comporting themselves loom large. These are It's funny how when they're pushing, when they're shoving these ideas down our throats, they don't consider that aggression. But the second we push back and say, you know what, I don't like how that tastes. That's aggressive. Honey, it's not aggression. You took it too far. And now the adults in the room are standing up and telling you to step back. That's not a aggression. That's coarse correction. Moving on on the cusp of an election season that could further reshape this democracy and women's place within it. The questions facing the women of the American right are tricky. Are they supposed to be cutthroat or cute? You can be both one cold enough to kill a dog or warm enough to bake an apple. Ply, you can be both. On to whom is their devotion chiefly addressed country, husband, God, or Trump? It can be all. And how might their womanhood complicate their responses to the closing pregnancy wards or the fact that their party's leader was convicted of falsifying business records to cover up an extramarital affair with an adult film actress. Nobody who is supporting Trump or things about Trump in any kind of positive way cares about that sham of a trial. It's literally meaningless. There's no single woman that has any kind of moral dilemma over whether or not to support Trump because of that trial. I can tell you that. And I can't believe that you're worried about pregnancy awards closing. You guys don't even like pregnancy. You want to kill babies, So what do you care if fewer women have a place to have babies. The challenge of navigating these storny questions have left many of them coroaming, from a high pitched rancor to contorted eroticism to seemingly snug comforts of trad wife sheet. Oh what a sentence, Rebecca, Why let me give you some clatter? The spectacle can provoke amusement, fury, and a prison of horror movie unease. For if the women of today's Republican Party are upending gender conventions and unprecedented fashion, they're doing it in service of a party that has never been more openly hostile to women and their rights. Again, all of that coming from this false assumption. The whole article starts out with the assumption that in order to support women, you have to think this certain way, that if you if you don't support abortion, that that is inherently anti female. Instead of asking what would be feminine or womanly about supporting pro life issues, she just automatically makes that assumption. Again, this is somebody who doesn't have a diversity of people around her, and that's not shocking for a New York limousine liberal. In both parties, women have never had it easy. This is a business that remains two hundred and thirty five years in overwhelmingly run by men, and for a time it was democratic women who encountered the gnarlier complexities. Why as members of the part Well, listen, I guess she's gonna explain to us as members of the party, as that at least theoretically represented the gains of women's movement that were so disruptive to the old gendered order. They could not themselves present as too aggressive for fear as being seen as radical, Nor could they be too vulnerable, feminine, or even conventionally beautiful, lest they be dismissed as un serious. Jennifer Granholm, a former pageant contestant and the first woman to govern Michigan, has described cutting her hair short and trying to add gray streaks when she ran her first campaign in ninety eight. He had to look completely asexual, she said. The first thing they think about is how you're shaped and what you're awaaring. You have to be as neutral as possible so that people will pay attention to the words coming out of your mouth, meaning ridiculous gendered expectations could mean ridiculous micro humiliation. And this is hilarious. This whole again contradictory. I'm disordered thinking from the progressive laft all. They're just decrining gendered expectations. And yet this is how they decide whether a little boy is really a little girl or not? Right, this is how they decide. Well, my son, when he was three, came to me said, Mom, I like pink and I like playing with dolls. And I thought to myself, he's not really a he, He's a she. They're writing books about it, they're making cartoons about this stuff. They want to talk about the hypocrisy of women like Nancy Mays and then go on to describe something that's not hypocritical at all. But they don't recognize the sheer hypocrisy of being so outraged at gendered ideas of men and women. And yet those are the very ideas they used to decide whether or not a little boy or little girl is that sex or the other. That's literally their test for it, cognitive dissonance. I wish I could bottle it up and sell it. I would be a wealthy woman. When Hillary Clinton told reporters in nineteen ninety two that she had chosen to pursue a paid profession rather than stay at home at bake cookie, she was pressured to participate in a first lady bacoff to prove her wifely tough. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I was young college and during the equipment administration, I probably wasn't paying attention. That's that is hilarious. Fifteen years later, during her first presidential run, the presence of a body that was not male was such an anomaly on the campaign trail that the Washington Posts publish a fashion feature of how she was choosing to handle her cleavage. Clinton was perhaps the most acute example of an assertive Democratic woman whose efforts to satisfy a ravening press and a public and public intolerant of female complexity left her so twisted and poll tested that she had become largely illegible as human. Excuse me, I kept trying to read that word as ineligible, illegible as human, let alone female. Again, listen to this cognitive dissonance. By the way, Oh great, that's actually probably the best paragraph I've read. And this whole thing that's hilarious, the baking cookies things, of course, that's ridiculous. And yes, women politicians do face typically from Democrats do face these body image issues, and these are all criticisms coming to her from the right and the left. And she talks about this public intolerance of female complexity, and yet she just wrote one thousand words on how it confuses her that Marjorie Taylor Green says she likes strong men but yet hates weak men and acts as a strong woman herself at times. But she wrote a thousand words on how she doesn't understand female complexity and then accuses the rest of America of not understanding female complexity, and that's of course why Hillary lost. Meanwhile, Republican women faced limitations of their own, but for a long time appeared at ease with them. Many came off as maternal and content, conservatively quaffed and shoulder padded a comfortable match for a party that wanted to offer reassurance to a nation generate about women's liberation. Think Elizabeth dole O, Reagan cabinet member, future senator and presidential candidate, whose chatty Oprah style stroll through the crowd on the night of her husband's nineteen ninety six presidential nomination was the sole highlight of that convention. But they could also be tough and mean. Barbara Bush was once called Geraldine Ferraro a bitch. Gosh, it's almost like women are complex, Remi Goad. The Republican Party through the nineteen nineties and into the new millennium included quite a few moderate women, such as Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas and Olympia Snow and Susan Collins of Maine, who believed in physical fiscal conservatism, but also held positions on so called social issues that were comparatively liberal. They were, like many in their party before its sharp anti abortion turn pro choice. They worked with Democrats to reach compromises, and the women on both sides of the aisle appeared to be friendly with one another. Collins partnered with Kristin Kirsten Gillibrand on the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and Jillibrand helped then Senator Clinton throw Collins a bridal shower. She's actually right about this. In the last ten or twenty years, we've come to think of the Republican Party as synonymous with pro life issues, but it definitely wasn't always that way. For many, many years, until quite recently, the Republican Party chose to stay away from that issue. They felt the pro life issue was a third rail not to touch. And many Conservatives and Republicans are pro joys, they really are, and so it was a political calculation to actually move into the pro life space, and it was the right political calculation. It clearly is a winner for them. Not to mention. I believe, of course it's morally right. But I'm not naive enough to think that every Republican who champions pro life laws is pro life. This is actually isn't a controversial thing that she's just said. I just want to defend that for a second. A turning point in the evolution of conservative womanhood came when John McCain elected a little known governor of Alaska to be his running mate in the presidential race against Barack Obama in two thousand and eight. Sarah Palin was in her mid forties, young enough not to be collared by the pearls and propriety that inhibited many of her forerunners in both parties. She was charismatic and uninterested in conforming to outdated gender stereotypes, or rather, she conformed to a bunch of them simultaneously. She had a sexy librarian beauty and no qualms about playing it up a macho snow machine racing husband who had taken a lead from his job on the oil fields to be the primary parent to their five kids. And she used her youngest child, Trig, born with down syndrome, as proof of her hardcore aunt ti abortion bonafides. Oh but we never see progressive parents using their quote trans children as proof of their martyrdom or sensitive or their outrage or their sadness. We never see progressive women using those things. No, Sarah Palin used her son instead of him just being a kid that had down syndrome, Like she had to take the kid places, Rebecca, she didn't take the kid places. And then when you take that kid places, you can see he's down syndrome. And so what did people say, what's she supposed to do? Leave the baby at home? Oh, we can't. We can't have trip out in public. People might see that he is down syndrome. It's just so funny that she frames that as Sarah Paline Palin using her child. Again, that's projection, because that's what Rebecca would do. I don't know if she's a mom, but that's what she would do. And she knows that, so that's what she thinks other women do. And I want to take this moment to explain just a little bit. I want to back up because I didn't do this at the time, but talking about that, that cute little paragraph that I really like about Hillary Clinton and conforming to gender stereotypes and how that was difficult and unfair, I want to take I know I've talked about this before in the podcast, but I want to take this time to remind everyone about this or talk about this again. I read this brilliant, brilliant article back in twenty sixteen when Trump first got elected. I'm so sorry. I do not remember who wrote it. I think maybe someone over at PG Media. So if someone sees this and knows who wrote it, let me know. But it talked about it was really analyzing like why are liberal women so absolutely infuriated by Donald Trump and they're just accusing Republican and conservative men of just some of the worst things out there. And he said that the reason is that liberal or progressive men are terrible, Like, look at what we saw during the Me Too movement, and that's what was going on during the time. They wrote that. He wrote that, he said look at what was going on in the Me Too movement, all the horrific things we found out about not just Harvey Weinstein, but how Hollywood is working in general, and the horrible things that women are having to do or let men do to their bodies in order to get work and in order to stay employed. And those are their people. Those are the men on their side, right, Those men vote the same way they vote, they go to the same fundraisers, they support the same political ideology, they support the same social issues. Those are their men. And if that's how the good guys, I'm using your quotes here the good guys act, how much worse must the bad guys be? So of course they think Republican men and women are the scum of the earth, because they literally work and live next to the scum of the earth. And those people vote the way they vote and support all of the holy righteous issues they support, and they're supposedly the good guys, So how much worse must the bad guys be? Right? I always thought there's a great explanation, and so that's what that paragraph reminded me of. She's like, yeah, these are horrible men have been horrible to women on the left. How much worse must they be to women on the right? All right? She goes on to criticize Palin moral thing we need to So what's the again? Okay, So she goes on to mention this famous quote from Sarah Palin. What was the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull lipstick losers? Yeah? Again, Sarah Palin sounds like a pretty complex female, Rebecca sounds like women can be complex too. But a Palin was a model for a new generation of right wing women. She was also fundamentally an unstable molecule. McCain had hired Palin as a gimmick rather than as a colleague, and had no idea what to do with her. That's absolutely right. I'm gonna keep this is a lot. This is a lot about Palin. One see, let me read the paragraphs here. How many one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven paragraphs about Palin? All right? Read this last one. You don't need to hear any more of that. It was in the post Palin flame out that the contours of that vengeful project would cease to be suba subtext and instead become mainstream conservative liturgy. The white Christian national nationalist brand of Republicanism. Palan embodied Obama's first term. Republicans at the state level pushed through trap trap laws mandating that abortion clinics have wide hallways, or that doctors tell patients about wholly fictionalized ties between abortion and breast cancer. That's not fictionalized. That's fake news. That's disinformation, Rebecca, where are the fact checkers? Where's the Facebook factcheckers here? Missouri's Todd Aiken proclaimed that in cases of legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down. That was a weird moment. That was a while ago. That was a weird moment. Again, This is why Republicans, This is the gift of the Jobs decision. Every Republican Todd Aigan was an idiot. Many, not most, but many of your high level politicians are idiots. And they have handlers that tell them how to speak and tell them how to talk. They're like celebrities. They're just ugly actors. They don't know how to talk fluently or intelligently about issues that you care about. So Todd Aiken, who probably has no actual real opinion on abortion, In fact, he's probably pro pro choice, like many Republican politicians tried to say something intelligent about the issue and it ended up sounding like an idiot. And that is why Dobbs is a gift to your Republican politicians, because here's the thing. Now, you can say, especially at the federal level, running for federal office like Donald Trump, whenever a Democrat ally tries to trap you on this life issue, all you have to say is, this is no longer an issue for the federal government to talk about or decide. The Supreme Court sent that issue back to your states, and I believe that it is an issue for the people to decide, and then you can if you want to talk about what your personal decision on the issue. I myself in pro life and will vote for pro life laws or vote for pro life issues. You can't. But if you just want to punt it, Dobbs is a gift. Take it. I don't know why more of y'all aren't taking it. You're listening to the consultants. You need to be listening. Just listen to yourself. Hey, y'all, this is Ali Michelle. I'm a conservative social media influencer that has been censored by big tech, so I broke away from the restrictions and started a podcast called pillow Talk with Ali Michelle. My show is a space to have real conversations about the issues that impact our everyday lives without the fear of being canceled by the big tech tyrants. Subscribe to pillow Talk with Ali Michelle and FCB podcast on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get you podcasts. That's Ali a l II. Come check out my show. I'll see you there, Rush Limbas said law students Sandra Fluke, who had testified in front of Congress about requiring contraceptive insurance for students, was a quote slut who was having sex so frequently she can't afford all the birth control pills that she needs. That was so funny, because isn't that what's hilarious is totally independent of that, Rush Limbab. You're old enough to remember what that was, you know, if you know, you know, if you're not old enough, go look it up. But the hilarious thing about that is that, like, that's what I think about every time I see commercial for oral Condrocepta for women. It's always like these young women and bright colors and they're out there living their best lives. Oh my gosh. They're shopping for plants, and they're going shopping for clothes, and they're also being girl bosses at their boss. They're raised at their jobs. They're racing cars, and they're making decisions in a corporate room, and they're typing messages on their cell phone. They're doing very important things. They're talking about how they don't have time for all of the worries of adult life, and they want freedom. It's always couched in this term of freedom. They want. I want the freedom to be mean, explore myself and be the woman I'm meant to be. And that's all it is. That's all. That's all those advertisings ever are. And it tells you where you can get this pill and ask your doctor to prescribe it for you. YadA YadA yah, that's all it is. They never but well, I every time I see that commercial, I think, this is this is a This is a commercial about how you can be sluty. That's what it is. It's literally a commercial about how you can be better slut. I think that every time I see a birth control commercial. But I guess I'm one of the problematic Republican women. She's talking about and you know what, as I'm looking at the rest of this article, I'm about halfway through a little over and as long winded as I am, and as much and as much more as there is in this article, I think what I'm gonna do is gonna split this episode. So I'm gonna end it here, and I will just say this. I would say that the theme of this first half for me that's sticking out is related that Rebecca. But the theme that's sticking out for me so far in this first half really is twofold one. This is a great example, another great example of that coastal bubble. She's obviously using some very extreme examples for the quote right wing, like Andrew Tate. I wouldn't consider Andrew Tait a quote right wing darling, but he certainly can be placed ideologically on the right, and he certainly has his own type of following. But for her, these are we're all the same people for her, right, because she doesn't really have a diverse group of friends. And I think I know that that's just a huge assumption I'm making, but as a writer looking at another writer's work, that's what I see. And then the other thing, the other theme that I see here is hypocrisy. It's projection. This whole thing so far has been just a total projection of this is how she feels. This is a window into the author's soul. You have to remember that writers write from what they know. Whether you're writing a column, whether you're writing about culture, whether you're writing an academic paper. Right, writers write from what they know. So when a writer is giving you a peek at their opinions about things, they express, those opinions say something about them. What I get is this whole idea of projection. She thinks that these women are this type of hypocrite, this type of charlatan, this type of contradictory woman, because that's what she sees on her side, and because that's how she feels about things. Right, if she had power, she would act in the way she thinks these women are acting, or at the very least, the people that she supports, she knows they would take these same positions. If a writer like Rebecca says that all Republicans want to do is strip civil rights from people in order to have control, she says that because that's what democrats would do if they had the power. But she doesn't think that's wrong because she thinks they're the good guys, and so they would use that power. Well, but see, that's what projection is. It's not the rich. He doesn't know she's doing it, but that's what it is. You frame the world from your point of view, and in her world, they are a bunch of dictators and authoritarians. But they justify it by saying we're the good guys, so we would use that power for good. But we can't let these people have power. We can't let these people control these offices and these positions in our institutions because if they do, they're going to use it. They're going to use that power to be authoritarian and to do bad things and to strip rights. And yet we've seen every time democrats get elected, but civil rights do take a beating. We only need to look at the results of the last four to five years for proof of that. So that's the theme I see going on here in this article so far. If you want to comment so far at jlty at proton mail dot com. Of course, jlty at ProtonMail dot com, go ahead and follow me on Twitter at real care Davis. Actually that's one going to ask, that's my main ask besides liking this a show, give this a like, give this a rating and review, but then go follow my Twitter at real Kira Davis. The followers help with the algorithm, and Elon is really moving into more media based functions with the platform, which I would like to grow alongside with. So you're follow me on Twitter really helps. So if you don't follow me, even if you don't use it, just go and hit that follow button. It helps. Okay, So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna ask Darvio to please release these two episodes as close together as possible. We can't release them back to back sometimes because of the algorithms the way they work, but I want you to have these things as close together as possible. I just didn't want you to have to listen to something that was too long. So we'll get the part too next time. Until I see you again, and this messages for you, Rebecca. Every once in a while, just stop and listen to yourself. 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