Ep. 269 - Kira Davis Is a Race Traitor (part 2)

This is the FCB podcast. Network areas that we won't we pay and then we won't to say oh we got it? Does no one can take that oway gonna be okay, A pre that we won't with say then we won't to say oh we got it does? No one can take that away? Don't don't be okay. Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Just Listen to Yourself with Kira Davis. This is a podcast where we take hot topics, hot button ideas, and we discussed the talking point on those talking points on those ideas, and we draw those talking points all the way out to their logical conclusion, because I think sometimes when we examine the things we're saying, we're not always saying what we think we are. So this is an exercise in crit thinking. This is an exercise and persuasion. And today's episode is somewhat of a response episode, but not a typical response episode for this show. Usually I'm addressing listener responses, but this is a show regarding an article I wrote in Newsweek earlier this week that is getting a lot of blowback. It's an article about the Georgia State Prosecutor Fanny Willis. She took the stand this week to defend against the charges of prosecutorial misconduct. Prosecutorial they say that five times fast and misuse of public funds. She's accused of having an affair with a married man in her office and then appointing him to a job overseeing the Trump case, and so naturally Trump's team is taking advantage of that. So she's been on the stand this week to defend against those charges, and when I want her performance with my husband on the witness stand, I was absolutely appalled as a woman, as a black woman, as a professional woman, and I'm gonna read. It's a short article, so I'm going to read it to You can also find it on Newsweek or go to my Twitter feed at real Kira Davis. I'll also include the link in the show notes, so let's quickly read this so it's set up for you. And then I'm going to read the criticisms that I've received. I'm not going to read. I might read one or two positive responses, but I think the criticisms are what we should dig into so we can think through the issue. Excuse me, just bump my mic I'm a hand talker. That happens Okay, the title is Fanny Willis is an embarrassment to black people. She's proof that DEI only hurts us. I would like to point out that I didn't pick that headline. I'm a contractor. I don't work for Newsweek. I contract out with various outlets across the nation, and oftentimes they choose their own headlines. Although I don't have an issue with this one. I think it's very descriptive. It tells you what's in it. But that's I just wanted you guys to know that. All right, here we go. As a black woman and working professional, I've never been a huge fan of affirmative action, and the recent rise of critical theory and DEI initiatives has only bolstered my resistance. While it may seem necessary to some in order to right the wrongs of the past, I can sum up why these measures are an unmitigated disaster for hard working black Americans in two words. Fanny Willis. Willis is a prosecutor of one of the nation's major cities and most high profile cases against former President Donald Trump. Her position and the historic nature of the case she is prosecuting put her in an elite class. Most black people will never even dream of reaching. One would expect such a person to be polished and classy, and able to remain so even while responding to an uncomfortable barrack of questions on the witness stand. Instead, what we got was a defiant, childish, sour woman who spoke with the sophistication of a teenage girl at our first college party. It wasn't simply that she sounded angry, she also sounded stupid. As I watched her testimony with my husband in unspoken dread passed between us, waited by a certain type of sadness, we understood instinctively that we were watching the result of a diversity first system that ends up elevating the week while simultaneously smirching the strong Willis is an elected official. But to even be in a position to run for one of the highest offices in her state means she has passed through elite job after elite job. She's received awards, degrees, accolades. How on earth, then, the such an accomplished woman sound like a freshman college student while participating in the trial of the century. Her foul demeanor and childish expressions only served to magnify the grotesque consequences diversity hiring has for Black America in general. Every time someone like me seeks professional advancement, I am forced to wonder how many people in the room think I shouldn't be there. Before I've even opened my mouth, I will have to swallow offenses I really should be battling, because I must battle not only my professional challengers, but the specter of the angry, black, defiant woman who only got our job because she's not white. Many of my colleagues will look at any complaint I have as frivolous and rooted in entitlement. I must be my best, and then be even better than my best. Because of the pathetic expectations Willis and her counterparts have sown on behalf of the rest of us, we will forever be forced to carry Fanny Willis on our backs into every professional situation. Diversity first hiring does the opposite of what I'm sure we all hope it really could do. It does not even the playing field. Instead, it so it's all of Black America behind instead, left once again to prove to the elites in charge that we are more than our skin color. I was deeply ashamed and discouraged to watch Willis's performance on the Witness stand. As many inroads as I've tried to make in my own industry for black content creators, I am doomed to be haunted by the inherent distrust sown by diversity first practices. It isn't fair of others to cast those aspersions on me simply because of my skin color. But that's just how it is. I must deal with the world the way it is, not the way I wish it would be, and what I wish it would be is a world in which I would be judged on my merits and my complaints and diverging opinions would be judged likewise. Shame on Fanny Willis and every corrupt person who allowed her to take the path of least resistance just to fill a quota. You've doomed us all a pox on your houses. That was from my Newsweek article this week, and understandably it has received an incredible amount of response, a lot of positive responses and a slew of negative responses. The positive responses, I have one or two in here that we're interesting, but I really wanted to go through the negative responses because I think underneath the anger and rage of some of those responses, I do think there are actually interesting talking points to dig into and interesting ideas to be responded to. So I'm going to start with the one that had the biggest impact on me. It's from a woman named Ronda, that's as far as all identify her for you, and it was very angry. So as I read it to you, what I'm going to do is I want to read through it and stop and respond to some of her points. But I want you again, this is something we do on this show. I want you to try to take the filter off as you listen to this and try to really dig into what she's saying. Try not to judge her by the rage in the email. Just look at this as something. This is information, These are someone's words, this is someone's opinion, and we're just gonna break it down together because it is very angry, but I'll just go through it. But I have to say this, Rhonda, I was quite moved by your email. Actually. I know it was angry and you weren't being kind to me, but I thought you said some really important things in here, and I do want to respond to them. This is the email and I received hundreds, folks, hundreds of emails. This email stood out to me. It's titled I Am appalled, She says, I must say, this is the first time I've gone out of my way to respond to an article I've read online. I tried replying to some of the responses next to you article, and guess what my response is, as calm and collected as they were, did not meet the community guidelines to send and get this. I used the same words the person I was responding to used. Think about that. I couldn't respond to someone who was totally be literating. I think that's supposed to be belittling our ancestors using the same exact words, but it's considered hate speech when I respond, So just off the top rhanda, I'm sorry about that. Again, I don't work for Newsweek. I'm just a contractor, so I have no control over what their community guidelines are. I don't know who their moderators are, so I have no idea, and I have no idea what your comment set. So I'm sorry that you felt disrespected or rejected, but that really has nothing to do with me. She says, your writing is okay for them to share with the world. But I can't respond. Do you know what that is? We don't have a voice unless they say so. No freedom of speech. It's all over the internet. Ronda, You're starting to sound like a conservative there, because we conservatives have been complaining about this too as well as particularly before Elon bought Twitter now known as x There are a lot of us saying, look, why can't we just respond? How come? Like that's the blowback libs of TikTok gets right. All she does is post the words of liberals that put this stuff on social media, and she was censored and doxed and blackballed, and she was saying, look, I'm just using the words that these people are. I'm literally just showing you what they themselves posted. I'm just reposting it. And so, yeah, I got it. I know you're angry, Randa, and I don't mean to be little that, but I was tickled by that description, like welcome to the club. Yeah, you're right. I do think everyone should be able to say what they want. I believe in free speech in the First Amendment, clearly, I do you know I wrote that article? All right, here she goes, and here's the meat of it. You know why they love what you wrote because they can't write something like that and get away with it. You spoke for every black woman in America today, proudly displaying us at our weakest moment because black people don't like each other, don't like who we are. Ooh, so, thank you Ronda for writing this so much. In that just those couple of sentences, she said, I'm gonna start with that first sentence. You know why they love what you wrote because they can't write something like that and get away with it. Yeah. Yeah, I know that. I know that, Rhonda, And that is why whenever I write things like this that are going to be critical of characters or representatives of the Black community, particularly liberals, that is something that I have to keep in mind. That is something that I have to consider. In fact, these are conversations that my producer, who's also black, Darvio, and I have all the time about almost all of the subjects that I address on this show. We're not here to belittle the black community or detract from the black community, or we literally do what we do because we love the black community and love black people. I've talked about it often Black people are the reason I'm a conservative, and you can go buy my book and find out why that is if you want. But she's not wrong. And I know she was writing that in anger, but it was so moving to me because yes, that is something I struggle with. And yeah, my inbox is filled with oh thank you, I love you, Kia from white people who did are doing. And I don't want to be little you either. I love positivity and I love compliments and keep them coming. But it is true that I'm saying things that a lot of people, a lot of white people might want to say and feel like they can't, and so I'm giving them permission to speak negatively about black people by speaking negatively about black people. That's why Rhonda I struggled so deeply when I was writing my articles criticizing Canvas Owens and when I've done my podcast criticizing Candace Owens, because then the opposite is true. When I'm criticizing someone like Cannas Owens, then I get a litany of responses, probably a lot of responses that are from the same people calling me jealous, saying that you know, I shouldn't be talking about a fellow black conservative like this, and I'm just envious of what Candace has accomplished and all kinds of insults about my honest and personal opinion about Cannas, because I do feel that many times her stick is to make it okay to speak negatively about Black people, to reinforce what some white people think about Black people, to give them permission to sit in that negativity. That's how I feel a lot about what she does. So naturally, when I am critical of the black community, I'm thinking about that, and I'm very cognizant. But here's the conclusion I came to Ronda and everybody else who's listening. When I have something to say, I can take the cowards way out and imagine how all of this is going to play to my Black friends and family, my white friends and family, my fellow black professionals, my fellow white professionals. I can drive myself crazy thinking about that and trying to anticipate all of the criticisms that are going to come down the pipe once I drop this. But as an opinion writer, people pay me to hear what I think about things, and it is a very cowardly act to duck out because I'm afraid of what people will think of me. I don't want you to think poorly of me, Randa. Of course, I don't want anyone to think poorly of me. Unfortunately, that's the result when you offer your opinion on controversial issues. Some people will disagree with you, and they'll allow that disagreement to color their entire judgment of you. I have chosen this job, and so it is my job to say what I think, even though some people are going to take it the wrong way. Some people are going to be hypocritical about it, or it might give some people permission to act a certain way. I am not responsible for anybody else. I'm not responsible for how people will receive this, just like Fanny Willis was not responsible for how I was going to receive her testimony. I had a very negative opinion of her behavior on that stand, But she didn't come to Kira and ask, well, Kira, what are what are black people going to think about this? How is this going to affect all black women? You know, Ronda, you say you spoke for every black woman in America today. Well, that's what Fanny was doing on the stand. And you and I, Ronda, I'm going to assume you're black. You and I Ronda know, we know very well that people ask us to be representatives of our entire community wherever we go because there's so few of us, only thirteen percent of the population. And you and I both know, Rhonda, that an ugly acting black person reflects poorly on all of us. That's not fair. That's not fair. But unfortunately that's how many people have chosen to view us. So it's not fair. I mean that is I would say that is one of the burdens of being black in public life. And I don't think there's an accomplished black person, a celebrity, a singer, a CEO who wouldn't say the same thing. Yes, I've had to work hard and then work ten times harder because I've had a leap over these negative expectations that also include the idea that I'm probably only here because I'm an affirmative action pick and I don't deserve to be here, so I've got to be good, and then I have to be even better than good. I don't think that's a I don't think that that is a rare thought in the black community. It's very common in my experience. All Right, moving on, this is a long email. She says. She says, we look for acceptance at most negative terms, so what she at most negative turns. So what she's saying that is that I'm I wrote this article because I'm looking for acceptance from white people. We don't stick together because we always want to show each other up. I'm better than you, is what you were truly trying to convey? Or why else would you do it? Well? I would do it because I do expect her to represent our community with pride. She's in a very influential position, and what I don't expect her to do is to lie and steal, steal the public's money. I also don't understand the notion that criticizing someone is being some kind of trader. Quite the opposite, And I guess I would ask Randa, is there any time in which I am allowed to criticis size another black woman for her behavior? Are there any examples of when I could do that and not be considered to sell out? And you said that's what you were truly trying to convey. Why else would you do it? Well? I think I answered that I do it because it's my job to do it. I'm an opinion writer. Is my job to tell people what I think. All right, She goes on, everyone heard this woman. We already knew what you wrote out out loud. It simply wasn't necessary. It's fascinating. This is fascinating. First of all, thank you Ronda again. Thank you for your honesty, as brutal as it is. Thank you because she basically confirmed my notion of how Fanny Willis sounded on the stand. She said, we already knew what you wrote out loud, so it simply wasn't necessary. Honestly, you could say that about the entire opinion industry. None of us are breaking new ground with our thoughts. We just get paid to say things out loud. And sometimes people write me and they say, oh, Kira, you said what I was thinking, But you said it so clearly. I really could express it that way. And sometimes people write me and they say, you know what, I disagree like you're doing, Ron, I just agree with what you're saying. I didn't care for it. It didn't make sense to me. But very rarely do people write me and say, wow, I never really, I've never heard this argument. I've never thought of this before, Like there's this, there's no new ideas we're all just we're all just discussing these ideas in different ways and appealing to different audiences. So I guess that's kind of the gig, and that's why I said it out loud. I just think it's very interesting that you seem to agree with my assessment. You're just upset that I've said it out loud. How do we fix it if we don't say these uncomfortable things out loud? This has always been my advocacy for Black America, is that we do need to have these very uncomfortable conversations with white people and also with ourselves. We're always asking other people to have the uncomfortable conversations, but we don't want to have it. And yeah, I mean I'm a black woman, so yeah, it makes me uncomfortable too. I'm not gonna lie, it makes me uncomfortable too. It is a discomfort I have to push through, just like any relationship that I have with anybody. If I want that relationship to be to be deep and prosperous, then we at some point here and there, we're going to have to dig into uncomfortable things air that out so we can all be better. She says, you could have done a lot of things, but that I don't know. Well, what would the other things be that I could have done. I'm just a writer. I'm not a politician. I did run for my school board, but I've lost. I'm not a politician. I'm not a celebrity. I don't have a TV show on some cable news channel. I'm not sure what else I did the thing that I get paid to do. You could have been just as mature as you claim Fanny was not. You could have stepped up to the plate and said it differently. But no, this is what we do to keep each other down. Rhonda appreciate this, But who is keeping who down? I am a humble, mid level opinion columnist and housewife. Fanny Willis is one of the most powerful women in America. She's way more accomplished than I am. She's way more successful than I am. So how can I possibly keep Fanny Willis down? That's not my point. My point is to offer an opinion on why I think DEEI practices weaken us, including people like Fanny. She said Fanny has our faults. We all saw that again, just confirming that what I said was correct. She just didn't like where I said it. I guess, so what more than half the government also receives an f for intelligence. Talk about that. Thank you, Rhonda. I do, and I happen to have over two hundred episodes on this podcast dedicated to how stupid people sound when they talk. Just choose an episode, pick whatever one. I have episodes on voting. I have episodes on voter law, but I also have episodes on things like marriage relationships, the dynamic between men and women. I think I did want an open marriage once I did one, an abortion. So you have a plethora of issues to choose from, and you will hear me say these things and all these issues. So I understand though this is the first time you've ever heard of me, So I get that. That's fine. But there are plenty of instances. You can go look at or just google my name and you'll see all kinds of articles come up, the news of the day, in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. This is The Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts today. That's out Laws, The Outlaws Radio Show, n FCB podcasts. All right, shame on you, Okay, sorry, our so called president is totally illiterate, and you call her out again. I understand if if this is the first time you've heard of me, and you know nothing else about me, and you just think that I sort of appeared out of nowhere just to write this inflammatory argument article. I guess that's what you would say. But again, I would just encourage you, Rnda, go ahead and take a look at at some of the other stuff that I've that I've done. She says, we are struggling, we are struggling to find our way in this racist country, and you go and do this. How dare you speak for me while they lock me from taking up for my sister. So Ronda still upset that her comment was deleted. It's as if we don't care when we can't speak up to say we do not agree with this child. We cannot speak due to racism by Microsoft's guidelines. Where are our guidelines and voices? Well, I'm one of the voices right here. I'm sorry that my voice doesn't sound the way you want it to sound. But this is the criticism I always have for white conservatives, right when they don't understand when people like me talk about black issues and why we care about black issues, and they say, well, why can't black people be more like this or like that. Look, we're not going to sound the way you want us to sound. You need to be okay with that. Our culture is different. The way we communicate with each other is different. We're always not We're not always going to sound how you want us to sound. It's the same thing I'm saying to you, I'm not going to sound always the way you want me to sound. But I don't think we want that, right. Do we all want to be saying the same things? Do we all want to sound alike and look alike and wear the same things and do the same things and think the same things. No, we have this wonderful, beautiful tapestry given to us by God, and I'm proud to be a part of that. You, my dear, are no better than you define your black sister today. If you are struggling so badly that you need White America to approve this book by crapping on your sister, go for it. If you find black sisters that agree with you, that is where your soul called education should start with us. I am confident you know how to do that. You're a smart cookie. Give us some again, Ronda, I don't know. I don't this one. I'll take issue with Rondo this comment because how do you know I'm a smart cookie. You don't even know who I am. You don't even know that I have over two hundred episodes of all kinds of issues. You don't know that I write often about what the GOP should be doing to court black voters, what black America needs, advocating for school choice, advocating for black children and black businesses, and the black point of view in a lot of cases. I'm sure you can imagine how lonely it is on this side of the fence as a black conservative. I'm a conservative not because of other conservatives. I'm a conservative because I believe the Principle's work for the black community. Again, these are stories laid out in my book. I'm not trying to sell a book to white people. And if I wanted to court white listeners with kind of being a sellout, I could have done that by now. The fact that you don't know who I am right now is proof that I haven't traded on that right, because otherwise I would be a superstar. I would be Candae Owens. It's easy enough to do that. I could get a show on Fox News tomorrow if I wanted to come out and say some of this stuff and talk some of the ways she talks. I choose not to because, first of all, I don't share all of her opinions on the black community. But also I am unwilling to sell out my own opinion and what I know to be true in order for financial gain. I am talking to you from my humble home in suburbia where I raise children and sometimes raise my husband. But I'm just an average person, so I haven't traded on that at all, and you would know who I was if I did. This woman's life is in danger every single day over the Trump Bs. You do not work in that woman's shoes. I felt her pain, her loneliness or struggle. No matter how much it costs us, we look beyond it and stop comparing ourselves to them and us. We are different people with different roads in life. So good for her. She paved another road for my kid to step in. We are not them. You may be, but I am not. I'm not quite sure who the dam is, Okay. I'm a proud African American woman and support mine. I mean, so am I and I support my black family and my self, so we're we are sisters in this endeavor. She made it to where she is with the little she had behind her. Do you know anything about Fanny Willis. Her dad is a very wealthy and accomplished lawyer. She's not from poverty. This is another stereotype that I wish people And it's sad I have to even say this to black people, but I wish people would sort of let go that we're all sort of like these poor struggling folks. That the black middle class is big, and I mean, look we now we have a black upper class that's coming up thanks to athletics and the entertainment industry, and there's a huge black upper class. There's a huge Black middle class. So the idea that every one of us that's in a position of power has just scraped her way up there, I think that's a very negative stereotype and that's not who Fanny Willis is. She's also not on trial for being a black woman. She's all that witness stand to explain what happened to the donations that people and probably a lot of black people gave to her thinking that those donations were going to go to help her win another term in office, and instead she used them for her lover, and then she appointed that lover to be on the team prosecuting the most important case of the century. So yeah, of course, that's that's a very serious thing. I'm not sure why we wouldn't think that's serious at all. And that is another reason why I was so disappointed in her attitude, because I was thinking, like, would Michelle Obama sound like that on the witness stand? Would Oprah Winfrey sound like that on the witness stand? There there are It was to me that the defensiveness, the defiance, is the response of a liar, because when you're confident and you know you haven't done anything wrong. And she must believe in the legal system because she participates in it, right, she is one of the highest ranked officers in the state of Georgia. I just think that she would be better able to defend her actions on the stand, and anybody else who took the stand and spoke the way she did would have been removed from the courtroom. So she's already received a lot of leeway. I don't think it's wrong to call her out on that, and I don't think it's wrong to say, hey, I think this reflects poorly on black women. And I think the reason that I feel that way is because I am a professional black woman and I do know how difficult it is to be a professional and a black woman in this country. You're right, Rond, I do understand racism. I understand it very well, and so I understand that we do have to work ten times harder. But what happens to the people who don't work ten times harder? Some people just trade on their race. And I believe that that's who Fanny willis. Is how soon or fast do you think they will put someone in those positions that are as smart as you? Not so fast. So we must start somewhere. We must start with the Sammy Davis juniors, the Al Sharpton's, the Mike Tyson's, the Hattie McDaniels, until we do better again, what are you saying, Ronda? So we have to put idiots in positions of power? So we have to start somewhere again. I just gave you like two very accomplished and tell and educated, hallowed black woman women, and they're just two. They're only two. I know many hundreds, maybe just personally, who would fit that bill. And they don't sound like Fanny Willis, and we don't give them a pass like Fanny Willis. So what if you're smarter than Fanny? So freaking what? I never said I was smarter than Fanny. I definitely wouldn't say that. I would venture to say, stop comparing us to white people, but I would rather say they're no different. This country has been dumbed down by the likes of white people for centuries. All of our inventions are under their names, and they never earned a decent education while they had the opportunity to do so. But you go there with her as if she really needed that. She says, I'm so upset, I can't even feel anything right now. Fanny has the god given right to be upset and angry. This white woman made her and us look like horrors. No, Fanny Willis made herself look like a whore. That I don't understand why Fanny shouldn't be held accountable for her actions just because of her skin color. How is that any different than somebody telling me, telling me that I'm stupid just because of my skin color. So, no, Fanny Willis was the one who took the money that hard working black Americans gave her in order to help her keep her job. She took that money and gave it to a man so he would sleep with her, so he would continue to be in her life, and then she used her position to give him other benefits. So Fanny brought all this on herself. I don't understand why we're supposed to be able to act however we want and do whatever we want, but then we're not required to hold any accountability. I don't think that's a racist thing. As to your other things about white people stealing and all of that, do I have an issue? Do I have an episode on cultural appropriation? I think I might have done one, But you can dig through those episodes and see and could talk about the issues there. Again, I encourage you to grant it, to go down the list and see. She's human, she has children, she has girls exactly. I agree, yes, which is why I would expect her to act like a woman who has her wits about her, who is confident, and who holds herself in more esteem than to steal from her constituents in order to gain the approval of a man. That's not a very good example for her girls or mine. She is human, she is very human, but she happens to be involved in the trial of the century. It's like someone on TikTok putting out some kind of video and then getting upset because people respond to it, or it's like me getting upset that you've responded to my Newsweek article. If you put something out in public, it deserves to be responded to. That is the very nature of public commentary and public life. So of course we have the right and the duty to respond to whatever she's presenting to us. And she is presiding over a case that will have consequences that will ripple into the future for decades and decades. Absolutely, it matters what she says and how she acts on that stand. The American people have to have the confidence that she's going to prosecute this case fairly and justly. And yes, she has the God given right to speak up and be upset, just like I do, just like you do. And this is what we're all doing right now. She can say, you do not walk in this woman's shoes, nor do I. But I can tell you what God is good, and you, my friend, need to find a relationship with him again, I would I would tell you. I know regular listeners of the show are laughing at that, but if you go listen to the other shows, I think you'll know why. I simply do not understand how we continue to be so cruel to one another and not uplifting you. At no right teach us how to be better people. God will tell you that is your calling. Well, Ronda, it's not my calling actually to teach people how to be better people. Well, I think that's actually a very snobby way to look at anything. Gosh, oh my gosh. And that's not a very Christian thing to say either. It's not my duty to teach anyone how to be a better person, because being a better person is very subjective. That being a better person for one man could mean just, you know, getting off the streets and getting off meth. It might not be much more than that. Not going to be a homeowner, he's not going to be a responsible business owner. But maybe for that guy, being a better person is that. It's not my job to teach people to be a better person. My job is to tell people what I think about certain issues, and that's the job I'm doing is it is not my job to save anybody. That's God's job. That's the Lord's job. As a matter of fact, I'll tell you this story. I tell people this story all the time, Randa, and I'll end with this, and I hope you've made it this far. I want everyone to know. I emailed Randa back and I told her that we were going to be publishing this episode. So I really hope she's listening to it, because I think she did have some great things to say about I'm going to end with this little story here. My father in law as a pastor. He was a pastor in Gary, Indiana for forty plus years. He is everyone who listens to this show knows he's been a hugely influential presence in my life. He was the first black man I ever met who called himself a conservative at a Republican. And he has always been a servant in his community, spent his life serving his community, and in fact, when I started in community service, it was with him, and so he has just taught me so much. But one day we were outside church and a gentleman had come up to the altar and this was you know, time number twelve. This guy was in and out of church and he struggled with addiction, and he would come to church and he would fall on the altar and he would weep, and he was sincere. Every time he would weep, and he would say, God, I need you. I know what I'm doing is wrong, and I want to be free from this devil. I want to be free from this demon. And then the men in the church would surround him and pray with him and lift him up and give him the things he needed to move forward. And then inevitably he would slide back into addiction and the cycle would would happen over and over again. So after about the dozen dozen times, this guy came up. And I was fairly young. I was in my thirties at this time. I was talking to my father in law after church and he made a joke. It was a little joke because we don't believe in women. We don't believe in women in the pulpit. But he made a joke of like, oh, I couldn't hand this church over to my son, but you know, oh, Kira, she you know, she's fire, She's she's on fire for the Lord. It was something silly like that I don't know, and I'm I'm telling you this out of the context of the conversation, but just so you know how this conversation came about. And I said, I know you're joking, but I honestly couldn't do what you do. I don't know how you do it. How do you look at these people who come to you time after time in sin and they're just doing the same thing over and over again, and you tell them what they need to do to get to get better, to get help. You help them. You come out of your own pocket, You sacrifice, You weep with them, you stay up all night with them while they're getting clean. You do so much for them, and then they're just right back in the same mess that they were before they came to you, And yet each time you welcome them back. I don't know. I couldn't do that because I'm a mom, you know. I think moms have a little more of a sense of Boy. If you don't get this right, you know, And he said, I'll never forget this, Rhonda. He said, it is not my job to save anyone. That job belongs to Christ alone. It is only my job to serve that has stuck with me, and I have never forgotten. I think about it probably every day, if not every other day. It's not our job to make people be better or to be better, and it's certainly not my job. That is the Lord's job. It is my job in this industry to tell people what I think about political issues. That is what my job is. That's the job I get paid to do. As a Christian. My job is to serve, which I do. You know, my job is to help people, which I do. I do in all kinds of ways. But you won't know those ways because as a Christian is also my duty not to boast those are Christian duties, because those are outward expressions of how much we love the Lord. And so, no, you had no right you and Ronda, I do have the right. You said it in the beginning of your post. You were so angry about not being able to speak on that thread, on the comment thread and not having your free speech. You were angry that you were denied that right. So you recognize I do have the right. I do have the right to speak like this. I do have the right to question Fanny. It was harsh. You're absolutely right. When I wrote it, I was angry. It was harsh. I'm not denying that, but that was how I was feeling, and so that's what I wrote. But Rhanda, I think it was the beginning of your email that really spoke to me the most, really spoke to me the most. Oh, you're giving white people license And yeah, I yes, I know, I know that that is a and RNDA. My inbox is filled with those emails right now. Oh, thank you so much for saying this. Yeah, and some of it's sincere and some of it are just people who are just glad I'm saying something bad about black people. That's absolute truth, and that is the landmine, the field of land mines that I walk through every day as a black opinion columnist. But at the end of the day, what I have figured out is that if I'm not true to my own opinion, it won't matter what am I doing. Then The point is is that I'm telling people how I think, what I think about things, and I cannot control how other people respond to that. You gotta be okay with that, just in life period. All right. I know that was a really long segment. I hope it was as interesting to you as it was to me. But let's move on hot topics, the news of the day, in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. It's The Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts today. That's out Laws The Outlaws Radio Show, n FCB podcast. This one's from Fino. This case has nothing to do with the ei MS. Fanny was not hired by the by Fulton County. She's an elected official. Okay, Fino, I'll stop right there. Thank you for your response. I would point you in the direction of my episode on media bias and how to find good information in the news. I think I've got one from last year, and I just did two more in I interviewed Batya Unger Sargon, who is the Newsweek opinion editor, and then I also did a separate episode on finding solid and good information. You'll be really interested in it because this is a great example of one of the things that I said in that piece, which is, if you want all the information, you've got to read to the bottom of the article, right, don't read the headline. Read all the way to the bottom. Because a we usually put the facts and figures in the bottom in media. That's what we do. We want you to react to the headline. Typically the facts and figures don't always match up with the headline. So if you had read to the bottom, you would have said, I wasn't saying that she earned that position because of DEI I acknowledge that she's elected. What I said was, in order to get to the point where she was elected, she had to move through all of these other positions. Miss Willis is being scrutinized for things that are not directly related to her job performance, in ways we see other black women regularly picked apart. No, I wholeheartedly disagree with this. That's not even true that she's not being scrutinized for being a black woman. She's being scrutinized because she stole the money that black people, probably mostly black donors, gave her in order to continue to secure her position as an elected official. She stole that and gave it to a guy so that he would love her, and then she used her position to give him an elite position, which also just happens to be a position that is on one of the most important trials in the history of this country. So yeah, it has everything to do with who she is as a professional. Why should this be an embarrassment to an entire race. I agree, if you know, thank you. I hate that it's not fair. But this is why I really wanted to read this, because he makes a really good point. Let's go on. He says, just check the news about how many high profile individuals in business politics have been forced to resign due to sexual misconduct. Does that make them incompetent as this article is trying to insinuate Bill Clinton, Harvey Weinstein, Florida GOP chairman Christian Zegler, former Boeing CEO Harry Stone Cipher. I could list hundreds of white folks who are forced to resign due to a sex scandal, and no one questioned their competence. I'm not I am so confused by that last part. No one questioned their competence, But I'm so glad you brought it up. Femo. I think you make an excellent point. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak to it. Yeah, I questioned their incompetence again, please just go through my list of podcasts like Bill Clinton. Helly, Yeah, I've questioned his incompetence over the years. The guy got a blowjob in the Oval office, Like, yeah, you're absolutely incompetent to inhabit the highest office in the world, Harvey Weinstein. The fact that you would you would rape women, You would use your position not only to rape women, which is a horrible crime, but then to coerce them into doing what you want so that they can get a job, Like yeah, I think that automatically qualifies you as incompetent. So thank you for giving me. Thank you for pointing these out. I'm not I'm not sure exactly where Pheno thinks I stand. And again, I'm sorry if I'm pronouncing your name wrong, sir, but I'm I'm not sure where this person thinks I stand on these But yeah, like Bill Clinton's incompetent Florida GEO chairman Christian Zegler, I don't know anything about that person. But again, I just implore you to look through the podcast episodes of this show, and you will see no shortage of criticisms I have for the GOP, especially when it comes to the black community. So I'm not sure who Feino things I am. But I again, I think it's a bit ironic that these people are asking me not to judge Fanny on her few words on the stand, and they're judging me by my few words. And it's just a simple Google search you could do to see some of the other things I've written. You might be really interested to hear to start out with the Candis Owen stuff. So if you look, that might interest you. And no one questioned their competence. I don't know what media you're consuming, Fena. I work on the conservative side of things. In fact, if you go to the episode that I recommended to you on media bias and how it hurts us all and how do you find good information? And I have several episodes on that, you will hear me say. What is so weird about trying to speak the truth in the political arena? Is there a whole group of people half this country thinks they have all the information. They don't even know that the conservative side of the messaging exists. They see Ben shapiroll, they see Candis owns. That's all they see. They don't know there's an entire industry over here and there are people saying hundreds of thousand of things all day about all kinds of things, but you don't consume that media. So because you don't consume it, you think it just simply doesn't exist. If it's not there, it doesn't exist. We've been talking about the incompetence of liberal white men ad nauseum. It is literally the topic of nearly everything. So we've been talking about the incompetence of liberal white men like Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein. And incompetence is a very loose term. That's a very soft term to use. These are predators, and if all they ever did was was rape and abuse women, that's enough to question their competence. But they also were incompetent intellectually as well. Bill Clinton, he's a great personality study. The reason why Bill Clinton was able to get as far as he did is because he had the charisma, He had the riz as the kids say, is that what they say? He had that? And so, but he's grossly incompetent. I think we know that now, right, he's Jeffrey Epstein's best friend. I think we know that now. And when we were saying that earlier, right, people like you were saying, oh, you're just a white supremacist, you're a sellou because Bill Clinton's the first black president. How could you speak so poorly of Bill Clinton. We've been there. Anytime a black person fails, then DEI is to blame. Yeah, I mean yeah, I don't think that's an unfair assessment that, you know, people like me or people on my side of the aisle have a tendency to blame DEI for every black failure. That's equally unfair, right, because hey, black people are people too, and we could just fail just like everybody else. We can just be we can just suck at our jobs. So I think that's a fair criticism. No, that's what he says. No, whenever a black person is in a position of power, he or she is expected to be infallible. Who is and then we question their competence why and ends with things. I don't know if they're expected to be infallible, but I do think what you're speaking to is sort of what I was saying to Rondo, which is like, yeah, we have to be people like Fanny make and so we have to be better than everyone else, and then we have to be better than better because we're working against all of these negative stereotypes that are reinforced by people like Fanny on the witness stand. And certainly you are allowed to be fallible. I mean, I certainly don't want anyone to think I'm infallible. That's like they say, it's a long fall off a high horse. So I don't want to be that person. But it's not like Fanny's some rando. She's not a random black woman just suddenly plucked out of obscurity to answer questions about her sex life. She is prosecuting the most consequential case in American history, an unprecedented case. If she's willing to lie about the money that hardworking Americans have given her, if she's willing to lie about her relationship, her her romantic sexual relationship with her co workers in the office that is prosecuting the most important case in this century, then what else is she willing to lie about? These are questions that the court must ask. This is the justice system at work. The court must ask if she can be trusted to prosecute this case fairly. And that's what's happening. So she's she wasn't just plucked out of obscurity because she's a black woman. In fact, Fanny, Fanny, I'm sorry, you know, this is what I'm gonna tell you. Fanny got set up I've been saying that from the start. A lot of a lot of people on this side of the aisle have been saying that from the Fanny got set up because this case, I think it's it's it's not good. It's not a good case. It's not a strong case against the president. And the Democrats know that what they're doing is advertising for the next election. But they know that, legally speaking, this case is so weak. And what did they do. They put that black woman front and center to purposely fail. They knew she would fail. And don't tell me they didn't know who she was and what she did because Democrats do their job. You know who doesn't do their job GOP. GOP doesn't have investigators and all of this stuff that the Democrats have been saying forever. You want to get in this game, play it like the Democrats do. The Democrats believe me, They've researched Miss Fanny Willis deeply before they let her get on that stand. They knew who she was before they even told her to bring this case to trial, because they knew she was going to fail, and they didn't want a white man up there failing. They didn't want a white man to be the face of that failure. So Fanny got set up. That's not my fault that she fell for it. That being said, I deeply appreciated this response and this criticism, and I encourage you to go and listen to some of my other episodes. Again, as I told Ronta, I have hundreds. Pick is one topic that interests you. Here what I have to say this person, Laura says, any person, regardless of color, looking into a mirror should see their own reflection and not that of someone else. I agree with that. It seems you have been carrying around the ghost of being black into everything you do, and it feels and feels it is the cause of your failures and not achieving to the level you desire. That fauld is on you and not Fanny Willis. I get this, Laura. This is uh just the flip side of the response I get from conservatives when I criticize Candace Owens. It's so interesting that this is something that gets hurled at women a lot too. Like once we criticize other women, it's because we're jealous, not because we have something intelligent to say about it. Whenever I criticize Candace, I mean my inboxes equally felt. I've done shows on it. You can look that up, equally filled with people who are like you're you sound like you're You're just jealous, and you feel you feel like you didn't get to where you want it to be. It's just very interesting. You've been carrying around the ghost of being black and everything you do. But I am black, Laura, like everything I do. This is why I'm always telling conservatives stop telling me you're colorblind. Stop it. I know you mean, well, I know what you mean. You mean that you see content of character first, but color is important. Black Americans speak the language of race. You have to deal with that. That's the world the way it is, not the way you wish it would be. So yeah, I'm black. Yes, I don't carry the ghost of That makes it sound like it's scary or something to be black. I don't carry the ghost of being black. I carry the legacy of being black, and I care how other people reflect on that legacy. I want you to know. I love the way you put this though. Any person, regardless of color, looking into a mirror should see their own reflection and not that of someone else. I think that's good advice for all of us. I do. I love that, And just so you know, you're I know you're saying that's insult me. But again, I asked everyone to take their filters off at the beginning of this episode. So I'm taking my filter off, and I'm judging that statement based on its merits alone, and I think it's a great statement. And I want you to know, Laura, that I don't see anyone else but myself when I look in the mirror. Sometimes that bothers me, But other people see something else when they look at me, right, And that's something I have to struggle with, particularly as a black conservative. There are all kinds of people who want me to be something. They want to hear their own words coming out of my mouth. They see their vision of what a black woman should be and what a black conservative woman should be, and that's what they that's a reflection they see. So but I thought that was a great little nugget there, Laura says, I saw a person she's speaking of, Fanny Willis. I saw a person who's probably an emotional wreck, having to defend her position and personal choices in such a public way, under attack and being accused of wrongdoing. Yeah, that's rough, and it is rough, but she is in the position of public service, and she's being accused of stealing from people and from using her position to benefit others in an inappropriate way. And that is according to the law. That is a very important thing because this person's going to be prosecuting cases. And so I don't think you understand what's happening how important this is. If Fanny is convicted of perjury, which she's probably going to be, every case she has prosecuted in Atlanta is now up for reconsideration. So she has just cost the city of Atlanta and the good people of Atlanta millions and millions of dollars, not to mention the criminals that are not going to have to go free, criminals she prosecuted, probably most of them fairly, who are going to have to go free because they're going to get new trials because of her conduct on the stand. Her attitude was so I was speaking to her attitude attitude. Her attitude was sour. But she's supposed to be there because she is answering for possible illegal activity. So it's her duty to prove that she did not participate in this illegal activity. And so a woman of that stature again, I will go back. Would you see Michelle Obama acting like that on the stand? A woman of that statue who knows she's in the right, knows how to behave She's a courtroom lawyer. She knows what you're supposed to do on the witness stand. She knows. So I don't give her a pass because she was upset. Angry response is a defense mechanism. I think most I think most people in the therapeutic industry, most people who read body language, probably most cops. I watched a lot at Dayline. I don't know if you do, Laura, but I've probably watched too much. But they will tell you that the defensiveness and defiance is often a sign of guilt, because an innocent person might be passionate, but it's that defensiveness that is a deflection. So she feels confident that she did nothing wrong, then that's exactly what she should present and she should have confidence in her representation. I cannot believe her representation let her get on the stand like that. This is another reason why I think this was a setup. They knew how she was going to react, they knew she was going to pop off like that, and so when the trial goes belly up, which is leaning more towards going belly up than not at this point in its history, when the trial goes belly up, they can just be like, well we tried, but you know, Fanny blew it. She's a setup. She may not have spoken as ali as you wanted to have her explain her positions to you. However, in a less emotionally charge environment, she may have done better. Well she didn't. She had the opportunity and she blew it. I learned through her testimony. She is an accomplished woman. She's been a judge, running a private law practice before elected DA Fulton County. She earned her career milestones. They were not given to her because of her skin color. And this is a matter of opinion, isn't it. And that's why you're writing because my opinion is that they were. I look, I see the result of DII. When I look at that performance, you do not truth be told. Neither one of us really knows. That's why we're in the opinion game and not the facts game. So fair enough, I have not been, Laura says, I have not been paying very close attention to this situation. But I look forward to reading the book someone will write to learn what truly happened to motivate this attack. Okay, don't read Fanny's book because you're definitely only going to get one side of that argument. I would encourage you to read books from either side of the argument. If you're curious, if you're creer. I know a lot of us don't have time to be curious. It's kind of the reason why we do this show, just to encourage people to at least dig into something that moves them so you can feel confident about what you believe. But I again, I will point you back to my Finding Good Information episode. But you say, I just learned tonight from speakers on News Nation what the primary attack on her is all about. Not her job competence, but personal affiliations. Again, her personal affiliations are intimately connected to her job performance. They're not separate. When you are an officer of the courts, those are not separate things. That is why the justice system, in order to work, the people participating in the justice system have to believe that there's going to be a fair trial. And so if your prosecutor starts out by being a liar, and that's what Fanny is being asked to defend herself against. Then, yeah, that is a preso. It's not personal. Maybe people have a personal thing against her. I'm not saying no one does, but yeah, this is definitely dedicated to the law, and you can see even left wing law experts saying the same thing. So I've just asked you to expand your pool of sources. Well, thank you though, for writing, Laura. I appreciate that. Hot topics, the news of the day, in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. It's The Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts today. That's out Laws, The Outlaws Radio Show, n FCB podcasts. Here's one I'll just read it. This's from James. James said, why do you come out with such a statement. Has your life been threatened? Have you put your job in life? Have you put your job and life sacrifice for others? How can you bring up the race thing? This is a woman who has strength and integrity to bring justice to her country. You should be ashamed of herself. Her personal life and yours is no one's business. I think I've made the case for why it is. This is not a black embarrassment. It's a celebration of integrity of a person. Please think more. You cause discomfort for yourself and others. Okay, thanks James. This one's from Aman. It's tongue in cheek, all right, So this is sarcasm. You have my agreement that too often African Americans get into high profile positions and then they act so un white that this is an embarrassment. European standards are the standard we should all go by in our demeanor, our actions, and even our looks. Anyone with a college education, especially at the level she has attained, should know how to act white. She should simply have expressed herself with more humility than all those European Americans. It goes on, but you get the I thought that was it was funny as it was tongue in cheek, but also it was like, this is the thing Daria and I talk about this all the time, and most black people talk about this. This is this is an in house issue for black folks. Now, so you're getting a peak if you're not black, you're getting a peak into some of the things that we talk about but this is one of the things that we talk about, how somehow we have convinced ourselves that using proper grammar and availing yourself of proper English is acting white. You know, didn't you all? Everybody had that person in school. I was that person in my school. You know, Darviya was that person in his neighborhood. You know, you got that kid that likes to read, and everyone's like, oh, he thinks he's white because he likes to read, you know, oh he likes math, he thinks he's white. Like these are the stereotypes. I don't know where they come from, but we've seemed to internalize these things, and then we say, oh, well, it's okay to to act foolish and silly and sound uneducated and not adhere to the proper rules of grammar and sentence structure because we're black, you don't. We call that a mean We call it the soft bigotry of low expectations, and it's something that we have internalized in the black community. So I know you're being tongue in cheek. I did laugh at your email, but this speaks to a larger issue within our community that is somehow that being educated and sounding educated is somehow being a sellout. This one is from Charles. I loved this one. It's short and sweet. Charles says, I read your article on miss Willis and I have to confess that I know nothing about her. I have no interest in politics. Have a question, however, because you came down on her rather hard. If you feel she's not qualified for her position, and that affirmative action, education and diversity hiring may have contributed to her being unqualified, what is your position of what is your opinion of miss Donald Trump? Okay, I'm not sure why you know why you're making the connection between diversity hiring and Donald Trump. However, that aside, you do ask a question, what is your opinion of mister Donald Trump? And I will tell you when it comes to this case. This is my opinion of Donald Trump. My opinion is that he is an American and he has the right, the constitutional right to a fair trial. And you cannot expect a fair trial if you are being prosecuted by someone who lied under oath, who stole the money of her own voters, her campaign supporters, people who believed in who she was as a woman, as a black woman, as a prosecutor and wanted her to continue on in her job. If your case is being prosecuted by someone who would do that to the American people, how can you be guaranteed that they wouldn't act similarly towards you. That is really the ultimate question in the trial. So my opinion of mister Trump is that he deserves a fair trial. And then we will see how all that other stuff fans out from Miss Fanny willis. And one more I'm going to read you one positive and I got tons of quote positive but again positive responses, but again a lot of them were from the type of I think they were the types of responses that Rhonda feels suspicious of. And so you know, I don't need to read those. I thank you for everybody who was encouraging and kind and and you know, was happy that I wrote it. I appreciate it. Don't ever stop complimenting me. I love compliments. But this one I wanted to read and end with because this one is from a fellow black woman, and I I should have contacted her beforehand and asked her if it was okay to read her name, because she is a professional, she is a lawyer, and so Miss I'm just going to call you, miss Kay, because I want to cause any issues for you. I'm going to call you Miss Kay. The Miss k says good afternoon, Kira. As a fellow attorney in this prestigious profession, I was appalled at Hanny Willis's testimony yesterday. After reading your article, I was compelled to reach out and say well done. I refuse to believe this sets us back. However, I will continue to uphold the legal standards as a double minority in this legal arena with intelligence, decorum, and grace. Keep up the good work regards, Miss Kay. And yeah, you know what I loved about that email, Miss K is that I think it was confirmation that there were many many black women doing what I was doing out when I was watching Fanny's testimony, right, just putting your head in your hands and shaking your head and go like, girl, what are you doing? And I think there are more of us out there than not. But when you have that response, you know, I've spent over well over an hour reading the responses that I get from other people for saying that stuff out loud, so there's no reward, you know, and being honest about that publicly but I certainly believe that there were many more professionals who were doing what I was doing. I mean, my husband and I were my husband's black man, and we had just been having our conversation about the difficulty of being in corporate America and being black, and how there's all this underlying discrimination, that it's not loud, it's not out there, and it does exist. And you can't go to the conservatives and tell them that it exists because then they accuse you of being a Fanny willis right. And you can't go to the liberals and tell them that you know it exists because they accuse you of being part of the problem because you don't tow the liberal line, the Democrat line. So it's tough out here, man, it's tough out here. I'll say this in regards to the DEI and affirmative action stuff, I do have an episode on it. So if you want to know my full feelings, I explain myself. I make my argument. I think I make it well, and I will say I consider it to be like in the church, there are issues that are salvation issues that are and there are other issues that are simply doctrinal disagreements right. If you don't believe that Jesus died and wrote again, that's a salvation issue. You can't be saved if you don't believe that. But if you don't believe that women, if you believe women should be in the pulpit or shouldn't be, that's not necessarily a salvation issue. That being said, that's not a salvational issue. That's an issue of doctrine that we may or may not disagree on. It's an in house disagreement. That's how I feel about the affirmative action conversation I have. There are many black conservatives who are fully in support and white conservatives frankly fully in support of affirmative action. Believe it is necessary, believe in in its its intentions, and make good arguments for it. So I'm definitely not I'm not in lockstep with every other black person on my feelings about DEI and affirmative action. There are cases to be made for it. People make those cases. I talk about those cases on this show and deeply respect the opinions of others who like it. And again, I know you might think I'm joking, but I know many white conservatives who think affirmative action is just fine. It's an in house disagreement. It's not a quote salvational issue. You can be a conservative and believe in affirmative action. So that's all I want to say about that. I won't explain my case. Go back and find the episode I want. I hope that the people that I've responded to were brave enough to listen to the episode, and I hope that you're curious enough to listen to more of the show and to respond. You can respond to me anytime you want. J Lty at ProtonMail dot com. J lt Y at ProtonMail dot com. I read every email. I cannot possibly respond to them all, but I do my best. And yeah, I just I want to thank you, though, for taking the time, because it's easy. This is why I told you all to take your filters off. It's easy to look at some of these messages and say, gosh, they're so mean our god, these are just bitter people, or God, these are people that don't understand what Kara is saying. And you know, maybe some of that's true. But I think one of the things, and this is another thing I learned from my father in law. One of the things I've learned to do in my life, and probably I've had to learn to do this because you know, of my own personal background, which I'm writing a book about now. I've learned to look beyond read between alliance right, look beyond the surface of what people are saying and dig underneath it and find the reaction of what they're saying. A lot of people say things out of hurt. A lot of people say things because they're simply not thinking clearly, meaning they're not fully informed about the issue, which is another reason why critical thinking is so important. And I want to look past the offense that these writers feel and dig into the root. And it's something I talk about on this show all the time. It's not easy to be black in America. We have so many considerations to make that involve how other people see us. It's unfortunate and it shouldn't be that way. But you won't find I mean, go ask Snoop Dogg, go, ask jay Z, go ask Oprah Winfy, go, ask Barack Obama. Ask any black person in any position of influence, no matter what side of the aisle they're on there, they're going to tell you the same thing. They will say the same thing. So I'm definitely speaking as an advocate for the black community. If my article was harsh, for sure on Fanny, I wrote it when I was angry, and it's perhaps not the type of language I would use were I standing face to face. That's the advantage of being behind a keyboard, right, I mean, that's the advantage A lot of you people have had accusing me of all kinds of things from behind your keyboards, and that's just the reality of it. Let's just be real, You're not fine. If you listen to more shows, you're gonna find out that I like to be real, and even when it causes disagreement or discomfort, I believe the only way we are ever going to move forward in being better, in doing better, is to be real about where we are right now. So if you've heard anything you agree with in this episode, disagree within this episode. If you would like to keep mountains of praise on me and compliments on me, Lee's write me at Jltui at protidmail dot com, or the other thing you can do is to subscribe and rate this podcast give it five stars. I don't feel confident that the people I have read today will go give it five stars. I'm sure I'm about to see some haters in the in the comments on the Apple iTunes ratings. But again, when you're in my position, when you're doing this job, you have a responsibility, responsibility to speak honestly about what you believe. It's very cowardly to try to head your bets against how other people are going to respond. That's very cowardly. Unfortunately, that is also something that makes a lot of money. If anyone can tell me how I make a lot of money being a reasonable person, let me know I'd be interested. All Right, you guys, I will talk to you next time. Don't forget to subscribe to this podcast. Check out all the other shows that SCB Radio has to offer. We've got a plethora of offerings for you. Any everything in entertainment, politics, local news, anything you could dream of, We've got it here in the FCB Radio Network. And go buy my book Why Conservatives Need to Battle Fiercely in Arena in the Arena of Ideas. Sign up for my sub substacks Kira Davis dot substack dot com. Until we meet again. Every once in a while, remember to just stop and listen to yourself. Prayers masoda that we won't with say then we won't to say oh we got it does? No one can take that OA gonna be okay? Prayers masa that we won't with say then we won't we say oh we got it does? No one can take that O don't be okay. 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