This is the FCB Podcast Network. A praas Masday that we won't with say then we won't to say oh we got it does? No one can take that oway. This gonna be okay? A prayers that we won't with say then we won't to say oh we got it does? No one can take that oway. Don't don't be okay. Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Just Listen to Yourself with Kia Davis. I am your host, Kia Davis, and this is a podcast where we take hot topics, hot button issues, and we discuss the talking points on those issues, and we draw those talking points all the way out to their logical conclusion, because I believe that when we stop and listen to ourselves, sometimes it can turn out we're not really saying the things that we think we are. Today is a reponse episode, but not a typical response episode. Now you might be thinking, gosh, here has done a few lately, and I typically only do those in response to emails. I've got an episode to come out after this one that is addressing the hundreds of emails I got in complaint about my article in Newsweek last week. I'm Fanny Willis and connecting what I felt was her utter failure on the witness stand too DEI practices that might have propelled someone like her forward, and someone in particular really didn't like it. Stephen A. Smith. He's a very well known sports broadcaster, and he's kind of moved into the commentary arena period, the cultural commentary arena, which I think we all do. I full confession here, I do not watch Stephen A. Smith because I don't really watch professional sports. My husband was really excited to hear my name come out of his mouth. But I don't know much about Stephen aside from the occasional clip that conservatives will share about him because he's saying something that makes sense or they like. But other than that, the only reason I know Stephen is because I've been married to a man for twenty five years and I know he has a huge platform. So I thought maybe his response deserved a response. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. He didn't like what I had to say. He was pretty angry about it, to be fully expected, I don't mind. I wasn't even gonna record anything. I'm blaming. I'm blaming this one fully on Darvo because Darvio was like, Kira, you don't let someone come for you and then you don't respond. It's like, I'm just a mom. I don't really like fighting with people. And I'll say this at the top. My Newsweek article was six hundred words. It's really hard to get in a nuanced argument in six hundred words. Now, I don't mind that because that's just the gig, right, That's just the name of the game. So I'm not freaking out about it. But it's typically why I like to drop those things and then run, because it's really hard to have an intelligent discussion about arguments that are really there's no nuance in them, and there was no nuance in my Newsweek article. So I have thoughts and feelings about quota hiring and DEI practices. I did an episode on affirmative action. It's not quite the same as diversity, equity and inclusion, but I think all of the concepts are the same, so you can go find that and listen to that. But I do want to break down Steven's comments line by line and respond to them. So Steven, if you're watching, I'm not a combative person or an argumentative person. I don't particularly enjoy being hated buying people. But I am mature enough to understand that that comes with the game. So if you'd like to have me on and have a further discussion, it would be my honor, and I'm sure my producer helped me arrange something if that's what you want to do. If you don't want to do that, then maybe you'll just listen to this and hear me out. And if you don't listen to this and hear me out, maybe somebody will, and maybe they'll at least see my point of view. So best way to start is to just start at the start, which is what I always say on this show. And let's go through Steven's issues with my article. Darvio will post the article in the show notes so you can go read it yourself. I'm not going to rehash it all. Right, here we go. Let's listen to what Stephen has to say. Mind you, what it stands for? Diversity, equity and inclusion. Diversity equity and inclusion of organizational frameworks that seek to promote the fair treatment and full participation of all people, particularly groups who have historically been underrepresented or subject to discriminate based on identity or disability. Now here's Stephen just setting up what DEI is, and listen the way he explains it. I don't know how you could be against it. Who doesn't want fair hiring practices, who doesn't want more diversity? But diversity, equity, and inclusion are three separate words. When they're used together, it's an ideology. Frankly, it's become a religion. It's become a golden calf. And so I think if it worked the way Stephen described it, yeah, I guess I would be in favor of it. But as I've made my case many times over the years, that is never the result a when government gets involved, it's typically bad news for black people. I don't know if you've noticed, but everywhere the government steps in to get involved for black people turns to be a disaster in modern America. And your response might be, well, what about the civil rights movement? And I would agree that that there were government actions involved in the civil rights movement, But my god, what had to happen to get the government to move you know what I mean? If it hadn't been for the civil rights activists and the Martin Luther Kings of the world, and all the people that stood shoulder to shoulder with him, the Malcolm excess. If it hadn't been for them, all the white people in government would have been just fine, just cruising along. So we still had to make them do stuff. I don't believe in turning to the people who broke the system to fix the system. So I understand. I get it. We've all been sold this idea that diversity, equity, and inclusion is the way to a better future for all of us. And I think that if it worked the way you wanted it to work, Stephen, if it worked the way you believed it worked, yeah, I think it would work. I just think the evidence is all around us that it doesn't work, and it puts us further at disadvantage. I'll explain as your comments continue why I connected that to Fanny Willis. Here. His whole video here, folks, is about seven minutes forty seconds. I might skip through some of it. Some of it. He's just setting up his support for Fanny Willis, and we don't necessarily need to hear that, not because it's offensive, but just because we get it he likes her. I'm bringing this up because this morning, Friday morning, It was an article and Newsweek magazine. It was written by a Miss Kira Davis ki r A. If I pronounced a name wrong, Miss Davis, I apologize, No, you didn't. You said it right. And I'm just gonna pause really quickly here because apropos of nothing. I just think it's interesting that Steven did get my name right, and I wish I had some kind of reward to give him, because most on air personalities don't get my name right on the first tribe, but the normies do right. Just regular people always assume it's cure of it's something weird about broadcasters. They look at that and they read it as Caira and you're I think you're the first broadcaster who didn't already know me who's actually pronounced my name right. So thank you. I wouldn't have taken offense if you pronounced it wrong, of course, but just something funny, I thought I would add. Davis is the author of quote drawing lines Why Conservatives must begin to battle fiercely in the arena of ideas. I was so excited to hear the title of my book read out loud. That's just another It's weird because I think fans of the show. Might you know, look at me one way, But I just I really do consider myself just a normal suburban housewife with opinions, and sometimes people pay me for those for those opinions, pay me to write those opinions down and show them with the world, And that's a pretty cool gig, right, But it still never ceases to amaze me when a larger audience picks up my stuff and shares it. It's like, Wow, people are really here and what I said. That's not always a great thing as a writer, because sometimes you don't want people to hear or read what things that you don't feel were your best. But this is not that case. But I just thinks for mentioning the books, it's kind of a it's kind of a cool thing to think about, to think about where I came from, think about all of the things that I thought I would never be able to do in my life, and to hear somebody with such a stem as Stephen Smith say the name of my book that I worked really hard on. I really appreciate that, all right, But that's enough of the niceties. He's not being nice to me. Let's go on. She has a problem with Georgia District Attorney Fanny Willis, and she's blaming it on DEI hiring. Now, if you don't know Georgia's district Attorney Fanny Willis, if you don't know anything about us, she's the woman overseeing the Georgia case with former President Donald Trump has been charged with thirteen criminal accounts attempting to overturn the twenty twenty election results. Never that well that Fanny Willis recently took the stand in oh defense this week. Why because she hired Special prosecuted Nathan Wade, who, by the way, she was having an affair with. Okay, she was dating him, she allegedly allegedly overpaid. Your first description was the best one. She wasn't dating this man. She was having an affair, a secret affair, And that does mean something, because marriage means something, and the decorum of your office means something. So I don't think that that is something to be dismissive about. When you're in public life. That really isn't something dismissable. That is something that matters, and we know the personal lives of our public politicians matter. It mattered very greatly to a lot of people when Trump won in twenty sixteen, even though he had a very messy, to say the least, personal life, and everybody said then that it mattered, that it was relevant that the secret conversations of private conversations he had with other people should be a matter of public record, should be open to the public. He should be held accountable for his private relationships and private conversations. And that's fair. So I don't see why it doesn't apply to everybody else. Ad way to the tune of six hundred and fifty thousand dollars. As a result, Trump's attorneys are trying to have Willis Wade and the entire case against them dismissed. Now pause the screen, right there, police, stay right there. Y'all want you to listen to this. Before I get into this any further, Let's get this out the way. What would an affair have to do with a twenty twenty election, Stephen, The affair doesn't have anything to do with the twenty twenty election. The affair has something to do with the prosecution of the man the Democrats are accusing of trying to overturn the twenty twenty election. That's what has to do with There is something called prosecutorial misconduct. And there's also something called the Constitution, and the Constitution guarantees every American the right to affair trial. So if you have proof that the prosecutor in your case, or the person overseeing the prosecution at the very least, has engaged in prosecutorial misconduct in some way, misusing public funds, sleeping with coworkers, perjuring themselves on the stand, which Fanny Willis may have done, then how is the person on trial meant to have confidence that he or she is going to get a fair trial. This is really important, This is very important. This is the most important trial of this century surely. I mean, I know we're just at the beginning, so it does matter. And I don't think it's fair to be flip about it. And because you are so flip about the consequences of that, I understand that that is what is coloring your view of what I wrote, because if you don't think she did anything wrong, and yeah, of course all I'm doing is attacking another black woman. But I think she did something very wrong and I think it's very serious in the justice system, and I think it has serious consequences for this trial for Fanny willis herself, and frankly, for all black people who hope to be propelled into positions of power, case probably nothing. So what's the big picture here? The big picture here is that if Trump and his team is successful in getting the removed and somebody knew as to get on the case, that takes time because of the delays, it buys more time for him to ultimately get to the presidency. And if he wins the presidential election and becomes president of the United States again, these are cases he can dismiss. Stephen is laying out the reason why we should all be very concerned that this trial move ahead forward according to the law and with on the fairest terms possible. This is a big deal, as he's pointing out himself. So if the prosecutor is engaged in provable misconduct, yeah, that is a big deal because it puts the entire case in jeopardy. And don't you want to win this case? I have my opinion happens to be that this case is very weak against Trump and that it's political revenge. But that's just my opinion. If your opinion is that Trump is dangerous and he needs to be stopped, then don't you want to make sure that the person that the person or people prosecuting that case or are unassailable, that they have reputations that can withstand the necessary and very normal ugliness of high profile trials. I mean, Steven, you're you're probably around my age, maybe a little bit older, and we both sat through trials of the century in our lifetimes, and we've seen how ugly they can get. That's part of the game. So let's not pretend that something weird is happening here. Trump's lawyers are doing, yes, whatever they can to delay this trial. I think the question you should be asking is why didn't the Democrats and the people who allow Fanny Willis to move forward with these charges? Why didn't they do their homework before they thrust her into the spot like this, because this is not new. In fact, there's a whistleblower who's now getting some more attention who has come forward. But years ago, I think two or three years ago, she went to Fanny Willis and she said, look, I have proof that your top aid is misusing campaign funds and it's concerning. And when I talked to that aid, I was dismissed. Well, what did Fanny Willis do at the idea that there might be misconduct in her office, and all the people involved in the scenario were black, so this isn't some kind of racial thing. She dismissed that person's concerns and then she fired her Democrats. I don't think you believe Steven. The Democrats are this stupid, right, I don't think you believe that. And therefore they must have known A. Fanny Willis's previous issues in the office. Right. They certainly did their homework on her before they thrust her into the spotlight. But b they probably already knew the reputation she had for being ornery, rude, and dismissive. They probably already knew that too, and yet they allowed her to continue with this prosecution in this state. I think we should be asking why, because you're not going to indict a sitting president. But I digress because I need to give back to more important point that I want to make, which is the issue of DEI. Why is DEI under attack? Here? Hey Kia Davis's opinion. She wrote, quote, listen to this. As a black woman and a working professional, I've never been a huge fan of affirmative action. The recent rise of critical race theory and diversity equity and inclusion initiatives has only bolstered my resistance. She continues. While it may seem necessary to some in order to write the wrongs of the past, I could somewhat why these measures are an unmitigated disaster for hard working Black Americans. In two words, Fanny Willis, that's what she said. This woman should be ashamed of herself because no matter what Fanny Willis may have done wrong, it has absolutely nothing to do with diversity, equity inclusion. It has absolutely nothing to do with DEI, the office that she has. No one is disputing that she's qualified for it. I'm disputing that she's qualified for it. And this is the part where I think Stephen has a point, and a lot of people have a point about this article. Again, That's why I said, Hey, this is six hundred words to represent a position that actually has a lot of nuances. So I understand, Yeah, that's definitely an opinion, that's definitely an extrapolation of how I feel. DEI policies can thrust weak people into strong positions. And I don't have any proof. I've never you know, I haven't walked with Fanny through her career. I'm basing my opinions on what I saw on the witness stand, and I can't, for the life of me, imagine how a woman that will conduct herself and carry herself like that and be so arrogant on the stand as to believe that she shouldn't be held accountable for how she has represented the public with taxpayer dollars, that she shouldn't be held accountable for her actions. Yeah, that makes me think that throughout her career. Now she is an elected official, so it's not like the voters of Fulton County said, oh, this is a DEI hire. She was an elected official. But to be in that position, she's had to move through many positions in her life. And I think the original intention of quota hiring is to right or wrong, but what it has become is a golden calf, and we worship it at all costs, and we don't consider who is the best person for a job. Oftentimes, not all the time, but oftentimes in this day and age, there is reward for propelling weak candidates forward if they check certain boxes, and that makes it harder for all of us. So that is my objection to diversity, equity, and inclusion, which of course sounds like a really nice thing, but I don't believe in practice quota quota hiring is a good thing. And yeah, I think her performance on the stand is proof of her in confidence, and I would like to reiterate that. I think Democrats were fine with that. I think they knew that they what she was going to do on the stand. As a matter of fact, it's come to my attention that her own lawyers advised her not to get on the stand, and she did it anyway, and she just showed out her whole ass. So I'm responding to that. I believe she needs to be held accountable. You nailed it, Stephen, why this is a really important case, and so she needs to be held accountable. However, blaming DEI for every failure out there isn't fair. I recognize that. That is my opinion in this case, and I am extrapolating it based on her behavior on the witness stand involving the most important trial of the twenty first century. You may not like her and help personal choices having a relationship with a contemporary, I get that part. But to sit up there and to say it's dei. It's a dei issue just because she's in her position. This is utterly ridiculous because when you bring that into the equation, you're questioning her qualifications for a job. Yes, Stephen, Yes, this is my point. That was the whole point of the article. That's what DEI does. That's what quota hiring does. It causes people to engage in this perverted circular thinking because now men like my husband have to walk into a room and wonder how many people are thinking, Oh, that guy isn't really qualified, he wasn't really the best candidate. He was just the blackest candidate. That's not fair, and it probably isn't what most people are thinking most of the time, but that is still there. And you and I both know that there are plenty of white people out there who think that about us when we achieve. And so if you're in your position and you look and sound like you're supposed to be there, you sound like you know what you're doing, you look like you know what you're doing, and you have proven your competence, then to me, that's utterly proof that you have earned your position. What I saw on the stand was a woman was a weak woman, That's what I saw, and that she hoped her indignance would be enough that the specter of this indignant black woman on the stand being attacked by Trump's team, that the specter of that alone would be enough to garner her support in the public. And it has been. You fell for it, but it doesn't change the legalities of this case at all. She has put this entire case at risk. You should be angry with her, not me, hot topics, the news of the day, in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. This is the Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts today. That's out Laws, The Outlaws Radio Show, NFCB Podcasts. Just like somebody could easily question your qualifications for your job at Newsweek. I don't have a job at Newsweek. I am contracted, but absolutely people can question my qualifications for my job or jobs wherever I do them. That's called being an adults and people question it all the time, and which I guess is a part of my frustration. And Stephen, I know you don't. You've never known me, so fair is fair. It's not like you're a big fan of mine, and you listen to all my shows and read all my work. But if you go through my show list and you look at what I've done and the things I talk about, and the abuse I get from both sides of the aisle, then you would know that, yes, I have been accused of not earning the position that I'm in. Every black person I know has been accused of that at some point or another. So please don't think that I take what I said lightly or that I'm doing it for some kind of approval. I feel like what you just said is proving my point. You're right. People can look at me and say, well, you know, Kira just checks the box, and so that's why she gets hired. And that is an attitude I have to come up against in the conservative sphere quite often, more often than you might believe, or maybe you would would believe it. So I don't have any problem standing by these words, and I don't have any problem with your words. Seems like we're agreeing, assuming you work there as opposed a freelancer. Go just writing an editorial that they published. What the hell is that about. We've got a guard against this kind of stuff. We've got to monitoriz stuff, Because here's the bottom line, ladies and gentlemen, when we talk about diversity, equity and inclusion, you're talking about equal opportunities. That's what you're ultimately in pursuit of. I agree with this. I think that's what it's supposed to be, and I think that the people that support it agree with you. And I would like to mention too many conservatives disagree with me on this issue, white conservatives. I know plenty of white conservatives who support affirmative action. Again, I would say, I think affirmative action is slightly different from diversity equity and inclusion initiatives which purposefully exclude people of other races, which purposefully create division, I believe. But again, that's a more nuanced discussion, and I suppose we could. We could have that if you, if you wanted to. But totally agree with you here. I understand people want to even the playing field. I want to even the playing field. Don't you think I would like to be making more money? I would love that you didn't have to respond to some middling conservative pundit who just wrote it article at Newsweek. I would love it. I love it if you already knew who I was and knew my name because I'm just so famous and so rich. But that's not how it is, and typically people like me don't get to that level because we we through issues, We talk a lot. You're responding to a six hundred word article. But you'll see in my show list if you get that for Stephen, that I have hundreds and hundreds literally hundreds and hundreds of hours doing deep dives into many subjects, and I have received many complaints on both sides of the fence for my thoughts. That comes with the territory too. I suppose you're not talking about giving somebody anything other than an opportunity. Let them sit in front. Again, that's not what it is. You're giving them something other than an opportunity. Here's where it makes me nervous when the government comes in, because the person that can give you something can take it away. This is why I'm not a libertarian, but I would say I have very strong libertarian impulses, and this is where those kick in again. Just going back to something I said earlier, I don't know. I don't know why I would depend on the people who broke the system to fix it. I think what I'm seeing is the system becoming more broken, and I'm seeing the system become create division where it's unnecessary. But again, these are these are discussions about DEI that are nuanced and we could we could maybe deep dive into this. I do think it's a very interesting topic. I I really would love to discuss it because yeah, I mean, I've definitely experienced my fair share of racism on the right side of the aisle. And uh, I do believe in hiring for a perspective. I do believe in preferential hiring, as it were. So if you're doing a project that's reaching out to women, right like, let's say you're you're the GOP candidate for president, and you want your campaign to reach out to women, well, maybe don't hire a man to run that, you know, maybe maybe go purposefully look for a woman who can speak to women women and kind of has the idea of what women need. And I say this to conservatives all the time, and I get a lot of chip for it, a lot. But perspective is everything. So if you want your company, your project, your workplace to be at peak effectiveness, then you should have peak diversity right in your field. It might not look the same way as somebody else's. And that's where the quotas bother me, because sometimes you're asking people to fill quotas for jobs in which we're really just not there where there just really aren't black people present. And then it becomes a numbers game, and then that's when your pool of selectees gets smaller and smaller, and then because you have quotas to meet, you'll necessarily be pulling some people who maybe aren't qualified for it. But you've checked the box. You're a white person. You can pat yourself on the back, and you can feel good about yourself and you don't need to do any more work. You don't need to do any more dismantling of a system that has undereducated and cast aside Black Americans since its inception. You know, white people can just say, oh, look we checked the box. We got our subsidies from the government for doing that, and look at what good people we are, and then we don't have to make any further considerations for this person or their community. All right, let's continue front of your face. Let them show you their qualifications, give them an opportunity to put their resumes in front of you, their qualifications in front of you, and you make a fair, neutral judgment on their qualification, as opposed to making the wrong assumptions. Curre Dave was respectfully, Fanny Willis isn't the problem he it's you, Oh Steven, excuse you. Fanny Willis is the problem here. I'm not prosecuting anyone. I'm not a lawyer. I don't hold the trial of the century in the palm of my hand. I wasn't elected by the people of Fulton County to serve that district. I wasn't given money by the people of Fulton County to win my seat and to support my office. And then I didn't give that money to my married lover and take them on all kinds of trips and vacations that the people who supported me for that office could only dream of taking places those people could only dream of going. And then I didn't give that guy a really cushy, high profile job. And I wasn't stupid enough to assume that nobody was gonna find out. I don't have anything to be ashamed of. I don't have anything to be held accountable for. I mean, obviously I'm a human being. I have things to be ashamed of. In my life. I watched quite a bit of Dayline, probably too much. I'm embarrassed about that. I have a very healthy coca cola addiction. I'm ashamed about that, like I have things. I don't want to say that there's no shame in Kira Davis's game, But no, how dare you? I don't have anything to be ashamed of. She she should be ashamed. She should be ashamed that she brought those charges knowing what was in her past and knowing that that was going to present if she was a good lawyer. Again, another reason why I think she was propelled to check boxes, and not because she was an intelligent person, because she if she was a good lawyer, she would have recused herself from this whole thing in the beginning so that they could have put someone else up there, Stephen, who was going to prosecute this fairly and wasn't going to be open to all of these kinds of attacks. She got set up. She got set up. The case is weak. It's going to take a lot of pulling strings for this case to move forward in a way that's going to end in the in the type of convictions you want. There's just so much wrong with this case. There's just they has so many holes. Democrats knew that the Democrat Party is not led by idiots. It is not. They did their homework on Fanny Willis. They knew who she was, They knew what she did. They knew the complaints that have been running through her office for a decade. They knew it, and they still let her go up there and do that. They knew the reports of her attitude, again pointing you to that whistleblower. Everybody knew who Fanny Willis was. I'm not saying anything that people who worked in her own office didn't already say about her. They knew that she was going to pop off on that stand, so you can be all at well she is, just she didn't like the barrage of questions that she was getting. Well, what the hell is the witness stand for? It's literally a barrage of questions, that's what you do. She She sounded so incompetent up there that when the judge declared her a hostile witness, she said, I'm not being hostile. I'm just telling the truth. She didn't even know what a hostile witness was in courtroom language, the judge had to then explain it to her. I'm not calling you hostile. I'm not saying you're a hostile woman. I'm saying that the line of questioning has to change to reflect the fact that we have a combative witness in the witness box, and so the way that the lawyers addressed the questions changes, right, it becomes a little bit more narrow, and the judge has got to give the lawyer the leeway to work around that. You don't want to be declared a hostile witness. That's a bad thing. It's bad for your case. That's what she got declared us. So thanks, but no thanks, Steven. I'm fine. I'm not the problem. I really am not the problem. I have no power. Besides whatever power you've given me by mentioning me on your show with your four million followers or whatever, that's probably you've probably added more to my influence and power than any person has in the last couple of years. So that's the only type of power I have. But I believe in the justice system, and I believe that if Fanny Willis were competent to do her job, you and I would not even be having this conversation. This trial would be moving ahead normally the assumption that whatever transgression she may have committed, or whatever problem she may have created or roadblocks of impediment she may have presented for own self, particularly in this case against the president ex president. You're acting as if her qualifications are being brought into questions, when the only thing being brought into the question is whether or not they should be overseeing this case her qualifications, right, Uh, yeah, I think it's perfectly legitimate to question her qualifications as an attorney. And again, I agree that I have extrapolated the DEI stuff. You know, I'm an opinion journalists and that's what I do extrapolate, and that's up for debate. Is it DEI or is it but I I'm sorry, I I don't think it's a defense to say, hey, we shouldn't question her qualifications, only whether or not she's the right person to be sitting on You just laid out all of the reasons why her qualifications might be suspect, right, the things that she's done wrong, the mistakes she's made, the lies she's allegedly told. I don't know that that's a great defense of her. Well, it's fine that she did that there because she's not doing that here, but in the justice system it's all the same place. She has a responsibility as an officer of the court. And Donald Trump, as a citizen of the United States, has the right to a fair trial, and if his team can't feel confident that the people in charge of the trial are going to offer that fair trial, then yes, he has a right to ask those people be dismissed again. To go back to the Dei stuff. Perfectly willing to debate that it's not fair that every time a person fails it's because of Dei. But I don't think the right defenses she's failing just because she's a failure. That sounds even worse to me against the President because of whatever transgressions they may have committed on a personal level with what would be deemed by some to be an inappropriate relationship, never mind whether or not the White House was influencing them in any way. One has nothing to do with Dei. That's where you took him, Miss Davis. By the way, a black woman accusing Fanny Willis of not being polished and classy and not being able to remain even killed while responding to an uncomfortable barrage of questions or the witness stand. So she had an attitude. She didn't like be a barrage with questions the way that she was, and so that attitude came out in her. And because of that, that compromises a qualification. Yes, because you're an officer of the court. You see people on the witness stand every day. You know. It's like, okay, you're in sports, Steven right, and you see a sports guy playing a basketball player and he is a leader, and he comes out in the court and he is there to lead his team, and then he gets into some petty little scuffle on the court and he gets his fifth foul and he's or sixth foul or have ver many fouls. Again, I told you not being in the sports. But he gets that foul, he gets shoved out of the game. What's the commentary from a Stephen A. Smith. Well, you're gonna say, hey, that guy, he's got a lot of skill, but he's also a leader. He also has a higher level of responsibility to his teammates. So he can't get hot headed like that, he can't cut up like that, he can't act out like that. That's what I mean when I say you're professional, not you're right or not you're supposed to fit into this sort of suburban mold that I have in my head. It's that I'm a professional, and I know when you lead your profession, that means that you have to act in a manner that is above and beyond what typical appropriateness is. So yeah, yeah, her attitude does matter. It does make a difference. She had an attitude because she was asked a barrage of questions, why are you acting like that just appeared out of nowhere. She's a witness and a trial, she's on the stand. What do you think happens on the witness stand, Stephen? You think people go up there and then they get served drinks and bond bonds. It's so you can get questioned. And when her response to those questions was to act like a teenager who just got caught with his hand in his dad's porn stash, that does make me question her qualifications because she isn't one of the highest positions in the land, and one would think that when you get into that position that you would know how to act. Isn't this your main complaint with Donald Trump? He doesn't speak like a president. He's not presidential, he's not classy enough, he doesn't have enough diplomacy, he doesn't carry himself with the core. Aren't those your complaints about Donald Trump? Well? What does it matter? Then? Hot topics, the news of the day, in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. It's The Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts today. That's out Laws, The Outlaws Radio Show, n FCB Podcasts. I understand you don't like that I made that DEI connection. Again, fair enough, that's up for debate. But let's not forget what's happening here. And I don't think I'm being unreasonable in assuming Fannie Willis is unqualified for her job based on her behavior on that stand. She should know better. Michelle Obama is a lawyer. You think she will get up there talking like that, acting like that, would their dress on backwards to boot? No, I don't think so. Oprah Winfrey a very accomplished, intelligent, educated woman who has been accused of a lot of things in her lifetime. Do you think she would get up there on that stand? I don't know if you've ever listened to her talk about the issues with her school in South Africa. But she's been accused of all kinds of things over the years, and she's never taken that attitude. And I'm sure you and I could both name hundreds of black women in our lives who have come up against it and who have responded when they know they're in the right, they have responded with grace and competence. I'm not going to give Fanny Willis a pass just to be like, yes, queen, because I know what's happening on that stand. I'm not looking at her as somebody who's just out there supposed to be creating entertainment for people. I'm not looking at her like that. I'm not looking at this through the lens of convict Donald Trump at all costs the only thing that matters. I'm looking at this through the lens of a reasonable person who's watching her on the stand and thinking, this is not how I would expect a state court attorney, a state official to act on a stand when she is being questioned for what she knows are inappropriate acts. She's probably questioned people for those very same things throughout her career. She's probably had those things presented to her. I mean, we know what she does, right, or at least we know because we have one witness who has said she went to Fanny Willis and said, your office is misusing funds. I can prove it when I confronted the person. They dismissed me and treated me poorly. And what if Fanny do to that woman fired her? And you may say, Stephen, oh, well, that's just one woman's testimony. But this is where the problem comes in when you're not thinking critically through things. Fanny Willis sat up there on that stand and defiantly and rudely, like a petulant teenager, told her questioners that the testimony of one person is proof. What did she just do to her own case? So now all Trump has to do to prove his innocence is put one person on the stand who says, no, he wasn't trying to rig the election. And that's proof. She just made the case against herself by that whistleblower. The testimony of one person is proof. Fanny Willis is a lawyer, and she occupies the highest public office in her state when it comes to prosecuting the law. And she made a mistake like that. Yeah, I think it's fair to question her incompetence, even though it might not be fair to assume that it is a quota hiring that propelled her forward. But I just refused to believe that there were no better black female candidates throughout her whole career, for all her positions, and so I came up with an explanation for how she could possibly land herself in that position. Patients, it makes no sense, miss Davis, It makes no stint, no sense. Whatever you need to stop. Terry Davis also states that Fanny Willis has foiled the meaning. Childish expressions only served to magnify the grotesque consequences diversity hiring has for black women Black America in general. So, in other words, what you're saying, Miss Davis, just that had a black woman with an attitude, one black woman with an attitude cast aspersions on a black race. Well, I was about to rest let me have him continued here. Sorry, Stephen, you ain't never had any attitude? Mm hmm. Anybody out you never did anything? Huh, nothing at all? No, No, I definitely have. Not only are you embarrassing yourself, you're disrespecting our community by implying why am I disrespecting my community. She's the one that went out there and showed her whole ass on TV in front of the nation. She's supposed to be prosecuting this case. I'm Trump, so that's not me. But also, I just feel like this argument, Stephen's, that's totally race uh uh based. Excuse me, race based in your bias right against me. You've already assumed that you don't like me the way I have assumed that Fanny hasn't earned her position, and you're you're, yeah, I don't. I don't know. I've never met another black woman who doesn't loathe the stereotype of the angry black woman. Let's not pretend like that doesn't exist. You just said it yourself. And that's what I've said in this article. How many of us have had to come up against that stereotype and fight it every time, And that is what I'm saying on my side of the fence. It's so easy to be dismissed for being angry. I've never have you ever been angry? I've never said I wasn't, Stephen. Have you not popped off on somebody? I never said I didn't. Oh, my goodness. I'm a mother, I have two children. I haven't married to the same person for twenty five years, So you know that people say all kinds of crazy stuff. I've said so many things to so many people over the years that later I've been embarrassed about. I certainly me writing this is not some kind of indication that I'm better than anybody. Absolutely not. And I'm again, I don't know how you got that from that article other than that's what you're extrapolating. You're right, fair enough that and fair is fair because I extrapulated that for Fanny, so you extrapolate this for me. But uh, you're disrespecting our community. She's disrespecting our community. This should be an ace in the hole. We should be running away with this thing. We should be able to look at Fanny Willis and be like, yeah, we can, we can do this. We don't need your gifts, white people, we don't need your like gifts here. We're gonna let you take this little opportunity for you. But just know we gave it to you, we can take it away. Yeah. We should all want to see successful and reasonable black people in positions of power. I do so when I see someone acting like that. Again, that's what professionalism is. It's not acting educated or white or whatever labels are floating or in your mind, Stephen, That's not what it's about. It's about understanding the nature of the position that you hold, the nature of the industry you're in, and then acting accordingly. A doctor cannot walk into an er and see that there is a criminal lying on a table with a gunshot wound. This man may have injured or murdered an elderly person or a child. The doctor can't walk into that room and start lecturing that person about what an asshole they are. The doctor has to be calm and treat that person because that's their job, and that's the professional oath that they take when they enter that career. She's not some random witness, Stephen. She's not some random black lady that walked off the street. She is a seasoned prosecutor. Yeah, I absolutely sure as hell. Do you expect better from her? It grieves me to think that you don't. We call that the soft bigotry of lowe expectations. Think such things based on such frivolous evidence. There's plenty of white people with attitude and they convey that in very demonstrative and bombastic ways at toimes. Okay, fair enough, are you talking about them? But okay, Stephen, to be fair, you literally haven't ever heard of me before. You don't know who I am, So what do you mean I didn't hear you talking about them? It wasn't an article about them. It was an article about Fanny Willis. If you're listening to this, then you've clicked on my show and you have access to the episode list of my show, and you can see that there are over two hundred episodes and some of those episodes are over an hour long. So the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of breaking down stuff like you just mentioned, hundreds breaking it down, changing my mind on things, because that's what I do in this podcast. I think critically through things. So if you want to talk about being fair, you know, then you be fair too. Don't judge me based on six hundred words. You don't know anything about me. You don't you don't know, and again, fair is fair, but then let fair be fair. This is why I hate doing responses to responses to responses, because we all just end up engaging in the thing that we're getting the other angry at the other person. Four. And so he's angry that I'm extrapolating DEI failures to explain Fanny Willis's pathetic performance on the witness stand, And I'm angry that he's extrapolating that I've never said anything bad about white people because he read six hundred words of mine in a Newsweek article. But you should look on I mean, you know you. I don't think I've ever responded to you on the show before, but you might be interested to hear my episodes on Candice Owens and education and civil rights. And yeah, I have a lot of criticisms and complaints for white people. Any white person who listens to this show could probably tell you. Or I could just show you my inbox and see all the angry emails I get from white people on a regular basis. Fine, Ferris fair Stephen. I could say something far more fierce, but I won't. Oh, I'll just respectfully ask you to stop castigating a community because of one person who. By the way, I'm reminding youse qualifications are not in question here. They are I'm questioning them, Yes they are. She should be on this case. No, she should not be on any case. All right, that's good enough? Is enough of that? All right? Well that's the end. It wasn't so bad. Let's see, let's stop this. Sorry about that. I was just stopping the recording. I'm not sure how to conclude this. I guess thank you for not saying whatever other fierce thing you were going to say. I guess who cares, I mean, say the fierce thing that you want to say. Who cares? Where this is the opinion game? I had an opinion and I rendered it. The thing is, Fanny Willis is not in the opinion game. You and I can sit here and talk back and forth to each other, and we can even call each other mean things and say mean things to each other. We can accuse each other, I mean things. It has no never mind for nobody. It doesn't matter. It's just two talking heads talking. It has absolutely no impact on the next election or how what happens when you walk out your door tomorrow. But what Fanny Willis does on that stand does have an impact and has a larger impact on the black community in general. So no, and I happen to very care, very deeply for the for my community and my family and so yeah, I absolutely will hold incompetence accountable. You should too. It sounds to me like you're making excuses for her. It's not just oh, is she competent to run this trial? Does she have the qualifications to run this trial? Has she been compromised in this trial? You're not thinking about this clearly, That's what I'm asking you to do. My words for Fanny may have been harsh in my Newsweek article. Granted, could I concede that? My point remains, if you don't if you don't understand the consequences of what she did on that stand, and she doesn't understand the consequences of what she did on that stand, how is that my problem? That's a you problem. And you better get up to speed, because Fanny Willis is about to get thrown under the bus by the Democrat Party. And I'm beginning to think that was on purpose. Yes, why don't you understand that what happens in this trial will have consequences for every other trial she's ever prosecuted in the state of Georgia. Every lawyer is now gonna if she is is she is convicted of perjury, which she very well could be, but also some of these charges prove to be true against her period, it's going to call into question every case she's prosecuted in the state of Georgia. Criminals are going to go free while they await new trials. There's going to have to be a bunch of settlements from the state and the county of Fulton County. It's not why don't you know this, It's not just about what happens at that trial. She does have a greater responsibility because she is in a in a publicly elected and funded position. So I think it's perfectly fine for me to be harsh on her. That is the gig. You and I. We're nobodies. We're just people who We're just people who blab for a living. Some of us make better livings than others. Granted, Steven, good for you, but we're no. We're not changing the world. But what Fanny does is going to have far reaching impact. I do expect more from her, and I know plenty of black women who did what I did when I was watching her on the stand, which is put our heads in our hands and shake our heads and go girl, why do you have to reinforce the angry black woman's stereotype, take ownership of what you did and move forward. But she can't because she knows what you don't seem to know, Stephen. She knows. She's clearly smart enough to know she's got to get on that stand and act a fool. People take up for her and don't hold her accountable because she knows. If she's held accountable for what she did with her married lover in that office and with the public's funds in that office, if she's held accountable for that, the state of Georgia is in huge trouble. Fulton County is in huge trouble. The City of Atlanta is in huge trouble. It will be devastating for their legal system. Stephen. I'm available to come on your show and discuss this if you would like. I appreciate the response. I guess. I think that's what we all do this for, right. That is what the opinion game is. You give your opinion and then you provoke conversation. I definitely provoked conversation. I definitely pissed off a lot of people. But at my age, one thing I've learned is that I have to be honest about what I think and speak my opinion clearly, and hopefully that will inspire other people to be clear and forward about their opinions, and then maybe we can have dialogue that is productive and roots around, you know, digs into things and solve problems. Because Stephen, maybe one of the reasons why you've never heard of me is because I'm a problem solver. I'm not a bomb thrower. Fair enough, that article was a bit of a bomb because it's six hundred words in a place like Newsweek. But again, that's why I prefer to to drop those things and leave because there's no nuance in it. There can't be, you don't have the time in the space. But I'm a problem solver, and problem solving is not sexy. It's not I'm a critical thinker, and critical thinking is not sexy. It doesn't sell. So there's a reason why people like me, you know, there's a reason why you can look at me and say, why don't you say this? Why didn't you say that? When of course I have been saying those things, but I wouldn't know. I don't have the popularity. The popularity are the people who are just willing to throw bombs and say things that light stuff on fire. They don't care about solving problems. They only want to create problems. I want to solve problems, I really do. It's the whole reason why I got into politics because just pardon my friends, but you know, politics is some bullshit. There's just a lot of bullshit going on out here, and I'm sick of the bullshitters always being in charge of the conversation and not offering any solutions for anybody, but particularly for black people. I want solutions, and solutions require discussion and uncomfortable conversations. If you want to have an uncomfortable conversation on your show, contact me, reach out through my producer Darvo or you can hit me up on my email or tap me on Twitter or you know. I'm sure you'll figure it out if it's something you want to do. Thank you, though, for given me a platform. For giving me a platform for my book. I have got another book coming out. You might be interested. I'm working on that right now, and it's late, and I'm so sorry because I guess I'm incompetent. But I'm working on another book right now, and it is an exploration of story. If you will, on my journey from a faithful loyal liberal democrat to a conservative, and I get asked all the time, how did you go from that to this? So rather than keep telling that story over and over again, I decided to write it down. So that next book is coming out, maybe you'll have me on your show to talk about that, and we can talk about some ideas and how we solve things for the black community and how we solve things for America in general at large. All right, well, everybody, if you agree with what I had to say, disagree. If you agree with Stephen, disagree with Stephen, write me Jlty at ProtonMail dot com. Jlty at ProtonMail dot com. 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