This is the FCB Podcast Network. Our breadsoda day that we won't with pain and then we won't to say oh we got it? Does? No one can tag that oway. This gonna be okay, our breads that we won't with say, then we won't to say oh we got it does? No one can take that owayn'ay don't be okay. Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Just Listen to Yourself with Kira Davis. I am your host, Curra, and this is a podcast where we take hot topics, hot button issues, and we discuss the talking points on those issues, and we draw those talking points all the way out to their logical conclusion. Today, I'm talking about Martin Luther King in the context of some of the controversial comments that have come out of the conservative punnitry sphere by people like Charlie Kirk Matt Walsh. It's prompted a lot of discussion. Of course, the mainstream media has jumped on it. See look, they're all white supremacists. And I just had a lot to say about it. I did a little live stream to talk it out on my Instagram, but I promised you that I would discuss this on the show. So we're going to do that today Today is going to be uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable for me already. Today's going to be very uncomfortable. So here's we have a little bit of housekeeping to do. One. I want you to do your best. I don't expect it. It's not as easy as it sounds, and I don't expect you to do this perfectly. But if you're a listener of this show, you're probably used to this type of engagement. Do your best to take your filters off. So no matter what you've decided, no matter what you think you know about Martin Luther King or DEI or Charlie Kirk or Matt Walsh or conservatives or progressives, just for just this brief intellectual exercise, do your best to take that filter off, and let's engage with all of these ideas in good faith. Good faith means that you're going to assume that the people you don't like, the side you don't like, are saying what they're saying not because I hate you, but because they have an intellectual argument. To make. Do with that what you will, this show's going to be hard for you. If you can at least try. I also want to say, don't forget to subscribe to this podcast, share it everywhere and leave a review. If you would. Go find me on my subseack just Kira Davis dot substack dot com for more of my writing and things like that. Find out what I'm up to. Satan came to our school district this week, quite literally. There's an after school Satan club being put up, so we had to go. We had to go to the school board meeting. That was crazy. I mean, there's just so much going on. I ran for school board last year and lost, and this year Satan shows up. I don't know you do that, Matt. I'm just saying anyway, that's the housekeeping. Let's get into this. I'm struggling with how to frame this because I really don't want it to be about Charlie Kirk, and I do want to say this before I get started. I don't really know Matt Walsh. Maybe met him once or twice, we're not acquainted. I am acquainted with Charlie, have met him on several occasions. We've spoken. He knows that I'm not a huge fan of his work or his utterances, and it's sort of a running joke between us and I don't share his views on some things, but we're both conservatives, so we definitely share a lot of those views. I don't share a lot of his views, particularly on RAE or how he approaches it. And there's a lot about Charlie I don't like. But I have never once thought Charlie was a racist. And I've been in the room with him, sitting next to him, talking with him. Friends of friends are good friends with him. You know, I've never once thought he was a racist, and I refuse to categorize him as that. And if you've been a fan of this show, you know that my bar for actual racism is really high because I've actually experienced it, not just people calling me names, but been on the end of fists and bloody fights. And if you've listened to this show, you've heard pieces of my story over the years. So I've seen what real hate is. I know what it looks like, and so I'm reticent to label just nastiness as hate. Some I always say, like ninety percent of our race issues here in America are more bas in misunderstanding and cultural ignorance rather than outright racism. That's kind of how I feel about Charlie. So I want to preface it with that. You can look up some of his comments, but some of his comments were Martin Luther King, He's not a good person. He said one good thing he didn't actually believe. He said, we made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act of the nineteen sixties. It just established a permanent DEI type bureaucracy. The courts have been really weak on this. Federal courts just yield to the Civil Rights Act as if it's the actual American constitution. Matt Walsh said on Martin Luther King Day, we should not deify Martin Luther King because he is a socialist, an adulterer, an alleged rapist, and a liar. Other people have said Martin Luther King was not a holier than now figure. He was a flawed figure and we should not be hoisting him up as this holy figure on this day. All right, Fine, So people have said that. So a couple of things are going to happen in this podcast today. I'm gonna I did a couple of things in preparation for this. I went back and I read the entire Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. I don't know how many of y'all have ever done that, but I highly recommend it if you're going to engage in this conversation. I don't think it says what a lot of people think it does, particularly people on the left. Again, this is going to go back to messaging. We're gonna talk a lot about messaging today because you can say, let's have the intellectual conversations. Let's talk about it if you want. I love interesting conversations, and there's tons to be had about the Civil Rights Act, Martin Luther King, segregation, how we could have done things differently or not. Yeah, let's do it. But there's an election in November. So what's the messaging on this? You're asking, we are asking black people to vote for our candidate in November, So how does this fit in with that messaging? I'm getting a lot of Well, people need to know the truth because that's important in setting America back on the right track. Even if we agreed on what the truth was, and I think for some of us we don't. I don't think I agree on all of that, but even still, let's just say we did. Even if we agreed on what the truth was You're not my mommy, right, you're not my dad. We don't need you to hold our hands and explain things to us. It's so paternalistic. It's what progressives do to black people. Right, don't be those people. Conservatives, don't be those people. We don't need you to quote educate us. There's a reason why Martin Luther King is a huge figure. Yes, of course he was a flawed man. So was Thomas Jefferson. So was John Adams, so was Ronald Reagan, So was Margaret Thatcher, so was King. David. There's no such thing as a person who is not fundamentally flawed leading a movement. And I want to point this out before I get started. I'm going to talk about the Civil Rights Act and the other thing I did. I'm sorry, I've lost my chain, I thought here. I went back and I listened to the entire I have a dream speech, the thing that mL K is obviously most known for and hailed for. So I went back and listened to that entire speech. I'm going to play that for you today. I'm going to comment on it. I'm going to use that as a way in to explain why I think this is just we need to leave this alone. There's no there there. If there is a there there, it's something, and I have an idea. It's something the conservatives have missed in the Civil Rights Act. And you're just as guilty as the progressives of making the Civil Rights Act into something that it's not and not using it for what it is. We're leaving a lot of really good ammo on the table with the Civil Rights Act. I didn't not realize that until I went back and re read it. I haven't read it since probably since college, and then in college I was raging liberal, so I certainly didn't pay close attention to what I was reading. I wasn't really interested in that. But here's what I want to say. I love American history. I'm obsessed with it. I love reading about the founding of this nation, the founding fathers, my favorite President John Adams. When you dig into the trajectory and the founding of this country, it's really an amazing journey through the wholes of destiny and purpose and appointment. And it really is like it's it's a to me. I'm going to sound like I'm such a nerd. It's exciting. I love what the Founding fathers did to establish this country. I don't love what they didn't do, right, I love what they did to establish this path for us, and they left us ways to make our country better because they knew they couldn't solve all the problems at that time. But one thing we conservatives are so used to is people on the left framing our Founding fathers as racist slave owners. Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. Sally Hammings, John Adams didn't insist on adding emancipation to the constitution. These were misogynists. What you know, all of the nasty things people say. We hear that all the time, and what's our response. You cannot judge a historical figure by modern historical standards, So there was no such thing as we see the LGBT. The alphabet activists do this a lot with historical men. There's so there's a lot of material out there that discusses the idea that John Adams was actually really gay, Abraham Lincoln was actually really gay, because you can look back in their journals and you can see where they had to share beds with other men. They're judging male relationships. In the seventeen hundreds on gender ideology of the twenty twenties, and it's just completely unfair when it was very common for people to share beds because we didn't. They didn't have the same kind of notions of privacy that we do now, or even the space or wealth for it. That's what they built for us, we are told all the time, and we always say that, don't judge them by the standards of today. Why don't you want to give Martin Luther King that same grace. I get it, I'm not a socialist. I don't want rent control. I didn't care for some of the things that he was marching for at the end of his life. But do you know that this man was beaten to a pulp on a regular basis, jailed for just wanting to sit at the same lunch counter as white folks. His family threatened, he ultimate lee died. Someone killed that man. So yeah, he might be a little passionate about justice, and he might have been a bit angry, particularly at the end when he knew he was gonna die. All I'm saying is stop being immigrants. Say it for both or none. Allow the progressives to judge our founding fathers according to our modern notions then do that. Don't sit here and tell me that I'm supposed to pretend that nothing has changed in the way we think in the seventy years since Martin Luther King's death. You don't know what his evolution may have been after that. There's a discussion again, a discussion to be had around that. But why is it so much easier for you to judge that black man who was very specific to a time and place in our history. But it's not okay? But you're not a okay well judging the white men by the same standards who founded our country. I do find that hypocritical. That's a big problem for me. I also wonder what is the purpose, what's the mission. In a few months, we're going to ask black people to vote for our candidate, and they have a lot of reasons why they should. All you need to do is head to the video of those people from the South Side of Chicago wondering how the hell their schools got closed to house illegal migrants. So we know what's on the line here, and if you really care about black people, then you're going to go out and try to win their vote. I can't take this message into any Black community and expect to come out with positive feelings about Republicans and the election. It's just not going to work. We love Martin Luther King, we value him. He is a figurehead in the community. He's a figurehead for most of America. You can't change that. Why should you change that. You want to have a conversation about what Martin Luther King kicked off with the Civil Rights movement, the Civil Rights Act, and this now infamous or famous I have a dream speech. You want to have a conversation about what those things resulted in, But you don't want to have the conversation about what would have happened if none of that happened. That's equally as important to think about. And that's what Black people do think about when we're talking about Martin Luther King. When we hear Charlie Kirk say things like we need to repeal the Civil Rights Act, or we hear Matt Walsh called doctor Martin Uther King terrible things, some of which may be true, some of which maybe not. But we hear him bring out these things on the day we're meant to celebrate this great turning point in American history. Doesn't feel like you have our best interests in mind. I can't take that into the Black community and advocate for the values I know to be right and true my community. You're making it harder. Am I asking you to lie or pretend that you don't have issues with any of this or not say no, absolutely not. This is the whole point of this podcast, The whole point of why I even do this job is to have the hard conversations and discuss them. Let's do it, Okay. One of the most important elections that we're ever going to face is in twenty twenty four, So don't tell me you care about black people. You want black people to have a better life, you want black people, you want to give black people a reason to come out and vote for Republicans, and then you crap on the people that black people hold most in esteem. Just take that and translate it to your own life. How are you going to feel about somebody who constantly trashes someone you love to you? Are you going to go to that person? You know, I never really thought about it this way, and you have a point, maybe I should think about it. Or are you going to be like, I'm not talking to that person anymore. They're weird. I'm already so far into this and I haven't even started this speech. I want this might be a true parter, or we'll see hot topics, the news of the day, in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. It's The Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts today. That's out Laws, The Outlaws Radio Show, n FCB podcast. Let's just get started with the speech, though, because I want to talk about this issue of who Martin Luther King really was, how we use him as conservatives and as liberals, and I want to ask you how you think we're going to market to black people with the attitude that Martin Luther King was a useless figure because of his personal proclivities, again, something that does apply to literally every human being who ever led any movement of any importance, except Jesus. This speech is seventeen minutes. I'm gonna run through it, and I'm going to stop for commentary, and I will do my best to be succinct in my thoughts. I can hear you all laughing. I've got succinct. That's the whole point of having a podcast. Here. We go. I'm happy to john with you today and what we'll go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nations. Five score years ago, a great American in whose symbol shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity. But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. All right, I'm gonna stop it there. So this is good for context. Let's set our context so that will help us with our filters as well. We need to understand he's not making this speech in twenty twenty four, where we're arguing over the ins and outs of whether or not George Floyd was responsible for his own death because of his drug use, or whether or not that cops should have gone to jail. We're not talking. We're not talking about statistics about black crime and how we may be inflating the issue of police brutality. We're not talking about any of that. That's not when he's talking about our modern notions of what black people deal with are completely out of sync with what black people were dealing with. And there are a lot of progressives who want to compare how we live now to how Martin Luther King was living in nineteen sixty three, and that's growth. It's unhelpful, first of all, progressives, because it gives bigoted people license to believe that there was no reason for the civil rights movement. Please stop. But he was living in a time. I mean, this is a man who's been beaten. This is a man who's standing in front of a million a million people and broadcasting to many more, who has been beaten, who has been jailed, imprisoned, set on his property, set on fire, his family threatened. And he's just one guy that was going on with black people across the country. So he's talking about real, legitimate Jim Crow segregation, a complete travesty and a complete betrayal of the American Constitution. That's the context doctor Martin Luther King is speaking in when he's giving this speech. One hundred years later, the negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still alive. One hundred years after emancipation. Dere's doctor King telling you this is not twenty twenty four, nineteen sixty three, that the community is still dealing with poverty and destruction. Why do you do we think Martin Luther King is lying about that no one did anything for one hundred years, right, you may say, so, the argument here might be an argument that people who have decided this is a great time to run down Martin Luther King. The argument might be, look, we didn't need any of this. We didn't need the Civil Rights movement, we didn't need the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. We didn't need any of this. We just needed to reinforce the constitution. But this is one hundred years from slavery, so the big thing had already happened, emancipation, and in one hundred years, with no one doing anything, nothing happened but more segregation. So there's an argument that he made, if we didn't have a civil rights move, and if we didn't have Martin Luther King, love them or hate them, it would be another hundred years of just people just going along to get along. Let's be fair, let's be fair to history. Let's go on anguished in the corners of American society, and finds himself in exile in his own land. And so we've come here today dramatize the shameful condition. In a sense, we've come to our nation capital to catch a check. And the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. They were signing amissory notes which every American whilst the ball have. This note was a promise that all men, yes black men as well as white men, the be guaranteed the unanientable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promised ory note in so far as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back mark insufficient farms. Do you disagree with that but again, and in the middle of Jim Crow America, that doesn't sound crazy. I also love that it's one of my favorite parts of the speech, how he talks about the Constitution. How hey, these rights are here in the Constitution, they're right there, They're so plain to see, and yet we don't have them. But we refuse to believe that's the bank of justice is bankrup We refuse to believe the bad I am sufficient funds and the great pults of opportunity of hisn So we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us a pon demand, the riches of freedom and the security of justice. So if you look at the Civil Rights Act as something that's been marketed to Black America as a symbol that we're never going to go back to this Jim Crow era where yes, you're emancipated, but no you're not, we're not honoring the Constitution, then you can understand why so many black people, especially feel that this is a very important piece of legislation and why it has such symbolic value. So you've got to deal with that aspect before you can even get into the technicalities of whether or not constitutional amendments are ever necessary. You've got to deal with that, you know how, I always say you have to. We have to deal with the world the way it is, not the way we wish it would be. We have also come to this, HOLLI spot remind America the fierce urgency of now. If there's no time to engage in the luxury of pooling off, also take the transfilizing the graduates. Now is the time. Okay. I was really moved by that part. I had forgotten that part, but it made me think of this idea of Okay, what would have happened if we didn't have this movement? And it feels like to me, oftentimes this may not be true. This is how I'm feeling. This is a feeling, not a fact. It feels like many conservatives or right wingers or Republicans, however you want to frame us, many conservatives think that if we had just let things mosey along, we would have eventually gotten to the place we are now where black people have their full rights and we vote, we eat where we want, we live where we want, if we have the money. There's it feels like there's this attitude among some of you that we would have gotten there in a more healthy way if we had let it happen gradually. But again, I beg you to understand that these are people who can't leave their home without threat of violence, who can't eat where they want, who can't vote, who can't own the things they want to own, who are repeatedly abused and used. How dare you suggest that they wait patiently for justice? And am I on this mic if they did? If we're going to have an honest debate, an honest, open conversation about this, that's a consideration to make. I think that's an easy way to look at it if you're not the person who's going to be affected by that particular trajectory. But people like me, of course, we have to think about that. So it is, it is valuable if we don't flaws and all, if we don't have the civil rights movement, if we don't have Martin Luther King on this day making this speech, if we don't have that guy who became a fian your head and yes, became deified in a way because that's what we do. I mean, we're in a primary process right now where there's a whole bunch of people complaining about the cult of personality around Trump. It's just human nature that we do that. People did that with Hillary. It happens if we don't have this. Martin Luther King, am I on this mic with you today. It's a legitimate question to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time arise from the dark and desolate part of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time. And when you hear him say racial justice, you think BLM and DEI. You need to remember well that when he says racial justice, he means I'd like to go to the bathroom to left fundation from the quick sense of racial and justice to the solid rocker brotherhood. Now is the tie to make justice a reality for all of God's children. It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summit of the negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until that is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening. If the nation returns to business as usual I would like to point out that I think a lot of the reason why we're experiencing so much racial angst these days are I'll say, part of the reason, because it's a multi tiered issue, it's nuanced. One of the issues, though, is that we have had this systemic approach to black issues that if we quell this, they'll go away. That's what Lennon B. Johnson was saying, right, He said that infamously about the Civil Rights Act. We pass this, we've got those n words voting for the next fifty years for Democrats. But that's a political move. That's obviously a political statement among other things. So Democrats were doing it and Republicans were doing it. Democrats still do it. And I'm not blaming Republicans now because we don't vote for Republicans. So all of our cities are run by Democrats. All the issues that black people have in our cities are because of Democrats. And it's because the Democrat Party has been able to say, we give you this, that's enough, go be quiet, and they don't have to work for our vote. We're just giving it to them. That's why I'm always telling black people, don't keep your political capital and one party. Forget about what you think you know about who's racism who's not. It just isn't expedient to just be totally loyal and then not ask for anything in return, and yet keep giving the most precious thing we have as a pre Americans, which is our vote. But the civil rights movement, including the things we don't care for about the civil rights movement, and the current situation that we're experiencing in America. It's a result of this idea that doctor King is talking about. Our government and our leaders have always approached black issues as what can we do to keep them quiet, to just make them go away? So when we don't address the full issues and keep pushing and I think it's just an ongoing thing, it's going to be an ongoing thing. It's always going to be an ongoing thing. It's never going to be solved. I do believe Martin Luther King's vision was a bit well, it was a dream and probably not totally achievable in our current state of falling grace, I'll say that. But there were many people, particularly Democrats, but yes Republicans too, who said after the real heat of the civil rights movement faded, away began to fade post assassination, that they didn't need to keep working, and so we did the things. You guys were mad. Here's your Civil Rights Act. Now go be quiet, and a lot of the issues we needed to address weren't addressed, and they began to fester and boil, and now we have this complete chaos that we have. That's my opinion, and I'm not giving I'm not pontificating on how it should have been addressed, not at this moment. But it's clear to me that what Martin Luther King was saying here and the danger of that attitude, we are seeing the fruition of that prediction. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwindsor revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. That is something that I must say for my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrong for deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. That's a legacy we have not honored in Black America. And this is I think just another symptom of human nature. We tend to overcorrect. But also because as he was warning us before, we have not properly rooted out or we've not properly continued to work on this problem. It has created a lot of bitterness and resentment, and people of bad repute who understand how to manipulate negative feelings like that have created opportunities for themselves. Politically speaking, we were We've just been used in so many ways. So please understand that when you hear black people who might sound bitter to you, that there is this undercurrent that that has developed because of this attitude of we gave you this, now just go eat. And Doctor King himself here being a pastor, recognizes that this is not a way to move forward with solutions. And this is what I talk about all the time on this show, giving each other grace, black people, giving white people grace, vice versa, arguing in good faith, because bitterness and hatred corrupt everything, and just like it corrupted the civil rights movement, just like it corrupts most movements. Eventually, we must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protests to degenerate into physical violence. Again on a gain, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force was soul for the marvelous new militant say which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people. For many of our white brothers that's evidenced by that presence here today have come to realize that that destiny is part of what our destiny is. That the message that you want to go out and tell people is corrupt, and that's what you're messaging against. This not the Martin Luther King who at the end of his life went to the South Side Chicago and marched for rank control. That's not the Martin Luther King we remember or that we pulled up as an example. It's this guy. So are you do you want me knowing that what he just said here, which is godly and biblical and right, the idea that we should not harbor bitterness and hatred towards one another, but recking nice that we're all fighting on the same side for the same cause, which is freedom. Are you suggesting that I and again just knowing that that is what people think about when they think about Martin Luther King. Are you suggesting that, six months before the presidential election, I should be waiting into black communities and telling them why that's wrong, why Martin Luther King was wrong? How do we play that clip and then go win votes from black people who have heard this clip right, which is a message of hey, let's work together, which is something we really need these days. What am I supposed to say? How are we winning votes this way? I don't even again, I don't even care if you think he's standing up there lying right now. I'm dealing with the world the way it is, not the way you wish it would be. How are we winning black votes in November with that? And if the answer is we don't need black votes, and then I guess that's the answer to this conversation for you. And they have come to realize that that freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone, and as we walk, we must make the plans that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the deputies of civil rights. When will you be satisfied? We can never be satisfied. As long as the negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality, we can never be satisfied. All right. This goes back to the point I was speaking earlier about not judging a figure a historical figure by modern standards. So I might have some gen zers, even maybe some millennials, who hear the word the words police brutality and automatically go to black Lives Matter, George Floyd, which in all of those cases, most of them, there's plenty of room for discussion, debate, YadA, YadA, YadA. I get that, and you know we've addressed it on this show. Go back and find those episodes. I'm not going to relitigate all that. Here's what I'm saying, he's talking about, for real police brutality, no gray areas, no nuance, no politics, real police brutality. You all have I hope you have all seen the images, and if you haven't, what a failure of our education system. But I'm sure most of you have seen the images of black people being brutalized with hoses and dogs and whips and guns and buy the police. We're talking about the police who came and beat people to a bloody pulp and drag them to prison, beat women, beat children because they were eating in a whites area. So he's really addressing police brutality. I'm not really making a real deep point here. What I'm saying is this reiterates what I said earlier, don't I know, because some of us are going to hear police brutality and it's it's gonna trigger certain things in us. And he's you have to remember what he's fighting for. You have to remember what he's fighting against. One more again, do I take this clip and go into the black community and follow it up with but you know, Martin Luther King really was a terrible person. I don't see how that wins votes, hot topics, the news of the day, in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. It's The Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts today. That's out Laws, The Outlaws Radio Show, NFCB podcasts. As long as our body is heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as a negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of our selfhood and robbed of that dignity by signs stating for whites own there. We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote, and a Negro in New York belize he has nothing for which to vote. Yeah. Love that. That gets to the core of what I'm begging people to understand here. Once again, I am not suggesting that you keep quiet or not give your opinions on this, or that there's no discussion at all to be had here. I would never say that because I literally talk for a living, and I depend on people talking about controversial ideas for this living. I would never say that. But the whole reason I'm a conservative, which I have said often over and over again on this show, the reason I'm a conservative is because I am Black. It's because I love my community. It was serving my community that made me a conservative. I was a raging liberal before then it's serving the black community that made me a conservative. And I believe that the principles and values of conservatism will mean more prosperity for Black America. And I believe patriotism will take Black America further. And I believe in the values of low of limited government, lower taxes, and individual liberty. These are the reasons I'm a conservative. So I always say this too, like it doesn't matter what any other I don't ever have to defend conservative. I don't have to defend Charlie Kirk or anybody because I'm not a conservative because of other conservatives. That being said, I want more Black people to vote conservatively because I believe that's what will be good for our community, and that's why I'm a conservative. But I have to come up against people who don't have the best interests of the black community of mine, and they're not conservatives because of the Black community, and so they view things differently and they're not necessarily thinking about that. About evangelism, really, and that's what I want to do. I want to evangelize. And there's no Christian missionary in modern America, at least that I know of, But there aren't many Christian churches who send out missionaries to other cultures who worship other gods and instruct them to go in with the initial and immediate message that the way they have worshiped and the culture they have built around their faith is wrong, evil and stupid and if you don't choose Jesus, you're a moron. They don't. Nobody goes in with that. What do you go in as a missionary? You go in to serve. That is the number one, That is less than number one. In evangelism. There are treet corner preachers. They serve their purpose, but evangelizing missionaries serve because what you do is you show people the love of Christ. You show people who Christ is first, and then you can have conversations about the nuances of their culture versus the culture of the kingdom. YadA, YadA, YadA. So all that to say, when I think about what needs to happen in November, in every election, I think about giving people a reason to vote, giving people something to vote for. Right now, what Democrats do is give black people things to vote against, and they're very effective at that. What are most black people voting against? Racism? That's what we think we're voting against because the messaging has been very, very effective. Could we please please just get in on some good messaging here. Ineffective messaging is to tell black people on Martin Luther King Day that they're stupid for valuing Martin Luther King as a vital historical figure. That's not great strategy. I want to win in November for my community. Can you give me a break here? It's just again, let's think about this critically. I don't. I'm not here to convince you, really, genuinely, it is not my intention to convince you to think like me on this issue. I am happy to concede that you may disagree with me, and I am happy to concede that mark that Let's just what if I said everything that you imagine you out there think about Martin Luther King is true adulterer, socialist, basically a terrible person who did like who had one good speech. All right, fine, I'll concede just for the sake of this hypothetical that that's true. What is the strategic value in Republicans talking about him and the civil rights movement like that? On Martin Luther King Day, a national holiday meant to celebrate a very important freedom movement in our nation. How are we supposed to do that? And then what are we asking black people to vote for in November? It doesn't make any sense, even if you think everything I'm saying intellectually is wrong. If you want to win the election, this ain't it. He's saying, we need to give people things to vote for. There is such a I cannot express to you the sense of hopelessness that runs. That is the undercurrent that runs through Black America. Again, there are a lot of reasons for that. Some are the government's fault, some are your neighbor's fault, some are our fault. There's a lot there again, lots of discussions to be had. No one's blameless in this conversation. But what Democrats offer black people is hope, even though they're lying about it. And all you have to do is look with your own eyes at every Democrat run city. All you have to you don't have to be on my side, and you don't have to go out and vote Republican tomorrow. Just take off your filter and look around you. Nothing's changed, it has gotten worse. You're still out there protesting, You're still poor, our education still sucks. We still got too many black boys in jail. So nothing's changed. Everything the Democrats have promised you hand us the keys of the kingdom. Nothing's changed except for the fact that there are no Republicans running the cities. So they've lied to us about what hope is. But Republicans have not offered hope period. We need to give the black man and woman something to vote for. Are we going to tell them please vote for the abolition of the Civil Rights Act? Is that the messaging we're going to go into in November twenty twenty four. Again, I don't have to be a marketing genius to know not good business. But New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. Yeah, no, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream. I am not my unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulation. Some of you have come fresh from now a jail sails. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the better of creatives suffering. Continue to work with the faith that on earned sufferings is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, Go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities. Knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not waller in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friend, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is here we go. This is the part you know, right, This is the part we all know. This is the part that even guys like Charlie Kirk like to quote all the time. I have a dream. We know what's coming next. I'll play it. It's always worth re listening to great It's a wonderful dream. It's a good dream, It's a right dream. But let's not be criticizing other people for cherry picking King's views on things for their own political purposes, and then cherry pick King's views for our own political purposes. I hear this probably every day as a black conservative from other non black conservatives. Well, Martin Luther King, he had a dream content of character. You either want us to abide by what we believe Martin Luther King was about, or you don't. Don't bring them up. Then this is a true story. When I was in college, when to an all white college in Northwest Iowa, and what was mostly white because it was in Northwest Iowa and it was a Christian college, and so we didn't have a lot of black people. And there was a black kid, a young freshman, and came in with me. I was a freshman too. His name was Dion, played for the football team, he'd been recruited, and he was a Muslim. I just blows my mind that this very traditional, and at that time we were very traditional Christian college thought they would bring this young black Muslim man in and he would not be uncomfortable. That's cool. And Dion was he was a nation of Islam, so like a lot of those guys, he was angry, bitter, and very aggressive. And we hung out because there weren't a lot of black people, so we were friends. And now I'm just going through down memory lane, not that this has anything to do with anything, but I'm going down memory lane, and he was really cute. I really liked him, and he like to me, kind of had a flirtation for a while, but eventually I had to break his heart and tell him I couldn't date him because he was Muslim and I was Christian. And he did not take that well. He was very angry about that, even threatened even threatened me over it. I can laugh about it now. It was a weird time anyways, whatever Dionon had. You know, Dian was unnecessarily angry about a lot of stuff, but also sometimes he would look around at the corniness of the white folks around us and be upset by it. So one day we're at a ja's at school and somebody, one of the white football players made a comment that Dion didn't like. He took it as racist, and he started coming at the guy. I don't even remember what it was at the time, but it doesn't matter if it was or wasn't. He came at the guy and they were going to fight, you know, he was. He was like, get him up, I'm ready to rumble over this. And our polyscide teacher at the time, who was a big old liberal and really saw himself as the champion of minority rights on our campus to a hilarious degree, gets in the middle of this fight. I swear this is a his story. Gets in the middle of this fight, and he separates the guy and he turns to Dion. He goes Dion, Dion, Dion, whoa, whoa, whoa, Stop and think, what would Martin Luther King do? That Dion's a Muslim, and not just any kind of Muslim nation of Islam. Muslim. They don't like doctor King, they don't adhere to any of doctor King's practices or beliefs, or it just was. It was wrong on so many levels. First of all, that this professor purported himself to be the champion of of black people and didn't even know the difference, you know, between ideologies in our community, or even know what Dion's faith was or his views were. He just made this assumption. But the second, yeah, the second thing, he just pulls out Martin Luther King's name because he thinks that that's an authoritative thing to say. That is going to calm this black man down and get him to think the way he wants him to think. And that's the attitude I see with a lot of white people, liberal, conservative, or otherwise hot topics, the news of the day, in depth interviews, and a whole lot more. This is the Outlaws Radio Show. Subscribe to the show on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get your podcasts today. That's out Laws, The Outlaws Radio Show, n FCB Podcasts. We want, we want to cherry pick Martin Luther King. We want to pull him out like he's some kind of tool that we can use to calm people down and see things our way. But as soon as we have to be faced with some of the uncomfortable truths about Martin Luther King, then we want to do what we're being asked to do now, which is tear down his name, trash him and the Civil Rights Act. Six months before a really huge and very important election in which we are asking black people to join us. Here we go the dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream, but one day this nation will rise up, live out the true meaning of its creed. We hold these twoths to be self evident, that all men are created each. I have a dream that one day, on the red hills of George, the sons of farmer slaves and the sons of farmer slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I have a dream today we love that, we love the content of character, and then we're going to go out and engage in character assassination unnecessarily. Martin Luther King isn't alive, he has he can't vote, he doesn't lead marches anymore. There's absolutely no reason to tear down this public figure other than for clicks and rage bait and guys like Charlie and Matt. Let's be fair to them again, they're not politicians. They're not and I don't know them well enough to know if they feel any type of responsibility to get Republicans elected, they might not think. They really might just be in this for the money. Obviously, a large part of this is the money, and that's because the more you get into this industry, it's a conscious choice I made for myself after much consternation. I'll be honest, the longer you're in this industry, if you want to be successful, eventually you have to make a choice. You can be reasonable and thoughtful and just do what we do here on JLT why, which might not be the sexiest thing. Or you can be somebody who gets a lot of attention and because of that, you get a lot of money, and you get a lot of offers, and it all snowballs into other opportunities. And that's how opportunities are made in the punitry sphere. That's not a Charlie Kirk thing. That's not a Republican thing. That's on all sides. I saw a great tweet the other day from somebody I think it's from a liberal who said, you know, black liberal media people and black Republican media people are just two sides of the same coin. They're all, they said, grifters. I don't agree with that because I'm definitely not a grifter. I wish, but he basically said, they're all grifters, but the pay is better on the wlad left. If joy read or Mark Lamont Hill decides tomorrow that they're going to stop talking about race on NBC MSNBC. Do they have a job? Does MSNBC keep them on the payroll? I bet not? What good are they? Right? It's the rage, it's the clickbait. The Democrats don't have any love for their black Puntans on the side. On their side, if they're not saying the things about race they want them to say, the same thing will happen to them that happens to us on this side. But if the mission is to elect conservative politicians who are who will vote for limited government in our lives and in my opinion, will vote for policies and laws that this is what I hope for, policies and laws that make life easier for Black Americans to achieve, to earn, to own businesses, is to have educational opportunities. If that's what we If that's what you want, then we need to be recruiting voters for twenty four. Well we're in twenty four for November. I just wondered if there was a reason why these guys couldn't have this discussion next Martin Luther King Day, you know, to me, that's the sign of people who are more interested in their pocket books than in actually helping the black community. Because I'm desperate. I'm desperate for us to vote differently so Democrats can stop taking advantage of our blind voting. I'm desperate for it, and it grieves me that my many of my fellow Republicans do not share that same urgency. But it is what it is. We're wrapping up here. I think this is a two parter. We're wrapping up here. Let's go a couple more minutes. I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racist, with its governor having his lips tripping with the words of interposition and nullification, one day right now, and oh, I just want to stop and remind you that those are Democrats he's talking about Alabama, little black bars and black girls will be able to join hands with little white bars and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream for them. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mounting shall be made low. The rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the borough of the lot shall be deal in our flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is a faith that I go back to the South with. With this theme, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this theme, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this theme, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom, together, knowing that we will be free one day. This will be the day. This will be the day, with all of God's children be able to sing with new meaning. My country tears, thee sweet land of liberty of the i sing land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride. From every mountain side, let freedom ring, And for America is to be a great nation, this must become true. And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening alleghenies of Pennsylvania. Let freedom ring from the snow capped rockies of Colorado. Let freedom ring from the credbation of slopes of California. But not only that. Let freedom ring from stone mountain of Georgia. Let freedom ring from lookout mountain of Tennessee. Let freedom ring from every hill and mole hill of Mississippi, from every mountain side, Let freedom ring. And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from average state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day with all the thoughts children, black men and white men, shoes and ten pounds, Protestants and Catholics will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual Free at last, Free at last, Thank got a mighty were free at last. Jesus. I don't know how you can hear load and not get emotional. I mean, I was re listening to this earlier and I was just jumping up and down in my living room, just hollering like Jesus, Yes you are freedom. Are you asking me in twenty twenty four to take the message about MLK that Charlie Kirk and Matt Wall want to deliver into the black community and advocate for their votes. Are you asking me to take this Martin Luther King and then go ask people to vote for us, because we're the ones who know how bad he truly was. Again, just asking you to think about this critically, even if you disagree with me, even if you think, hey, Kira, the truth needs to be told about some things. It's how we correct things. Do we want to win an election? Do we want to give the black man, as doctor King put it, Do we want to give the negro something to vote for? This is not the way. So when people like me say this is making my job harder, it's not because I feel bad because I'm not as important as some people, or I'm not making as much money as some people. It's because the only reason I do this job, It's the whole reason I got into this, is because I care so deeply, particularly for the black community all of America. But because I'm Black, and because I've had significant experiences that are germane to being a Black American to being a Black Westerner. I feel very passionately about our values being the leading values in America, and I want to elect people that will that will promote those values because that's what's going to lift our community. Up. It's just again, I can't reiterate it enough, and I think it's because there's a part of me that is nervous about the pushback I'm in to get from white conservatives for this episode, which should tell you also something if me of all people, because when I talk like this, I generally get a lot of very angry responses because the filter that you're seeing me through is like, there's only two ways to think about this. You're either color doesn't matter at all or color is the only thing that matters, and you're telling me color matters, and I'm not. I feel like I'm sort of hedging against those criticisms, and I shouldn't do that. I've endeavored to not qualify myself or to qualify myself less. But I think I just feel so strongly to reiterate sort of cut those criticisms off at the path that I don't need you to think about Martin Luther King the same way I think about him. I need you to understand how other people think about him and the significance he plays in the votes you're trying to go get. And maybe there is an argument out there, and this is an argument that I've seen being made on more than one occasion, except for when it suits people. Maybe your argument is it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Black people are never going to vote in droves for Republicans. We're never going to win their vote, so we don't need to be courting them or going after them. And I would say that that's a huge problem, and it's very shortsighted and narrow minded because white people are on the way to becoming the minority in this country. So do we want to win the future or do we just want to win maybe the next couple of years and then leave it to our great grandchildren to sort out the progressive healscape we left them. Okay, I'm going to end it here. I know this has gone long. I wanted to dig into the Civil Rights Act. I went back and I read it. I don't think it says what you think it says most people. And I also think that the GOP has left a lot of important ammunition on the table with the Civil Rights Act once I dig through it again. The GOP has allowed it to be politicized in the same way that the Democrats have allowed it to be politicized, just two sides of the same coin, So I'll save that for part two. We'll do a part we'll do part two. What I want to leave you with today is this, As you think about what we've talked about, and you've heard now all of Martin Luther King's most famous speech, is it fair to demand people not judge the founding fathers by our modern sensibilities and then judge Martin Luther King by our modern sensibilities. You may believe that we are in the chaotic racial era that we're in because of the tone and execution of the Civil Rights movement and or the Civil Rights Act? But what would have happened without those things? What would have happened if we never had Martin Luther King? And do we want to deify the notion of content of character the way some people are accusing us of all of deifying Martin Luther King? Do we want to deify the notion of content over character and then assassinate the character of the person who said it? These are questions to think about me jlty at ProtonMail dot com, j L. T Y at ProtonMail dot com. Rate and review, Give me a good one, and because black lives matter, give me a nice one. Please at five stars. No really, though every podcaster says this. We make our money by advertising and by the algorithms, and the algorithms are always helped by your five stars or especially when you leave a written review so helpful. Tune in for part two to just listen to yourself. Write me, tell me what you think of what I've just said, what I've missed, what I'm wrong about, and if you're interested. I rarely do this because I always forget because I'm not great at this job. But if you're interested in my point of view when you hear what I'm saying to be interesting, I would invite you to look up the FCB Radio Broadcast Network, which is where we broadcast from. It is I'm very proud to be part of this network. It is black owned, and we have a huge assortment of shows from people from a diverse cast of people, and there are so many interesting points of views about so many different things, not just this kind of stuff, but local politics and entertainment and things that are going on in rap music and the gossip world, the modeling industry. We have so many shows on this network that will help you be well rounded culturally, just too many to name, you're going to get so many different perspectives. So if you're really curious and you're curious about how people like me think and maybe what other people a in the black community, but also just in other areas of industry think FCB is your placed to be. So go ahead and click on the FCB logo there and listen, or you can see what other shows we have to offer you, what other points of view. I work with the most interesting people in the nation, I believe, so don't rob yourself of that. Thank you, doctor King for this wonderful message. Thank you Charlie Kirk and Matt Walsh also for always spurring conversation and giving us things to talk about, and for the good, good work you do as well. Again, I don't want to look at this through a filter of bad faith, so thank you for all of that. Thank you to the listeners. Of course, I look forward to hearing from you and I can't wait to talk to you again. And until we talk again, don't forget. Every once in a while, just stop and listen to yourself. Prays that we won't to say then, we won't to say oh we gott it does no long get dike that oh and prays that we won't with Bay and then we want to pay. Oh, we gott it does no Lon? Take that? Ow it? Okay. 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