This is the FCB Podcast Network. A Prais Masoda day that we won't was made, then we won't to say, oh we got it does? No one can take that? Owen, this gonna be okay? A Prais Masoda day that we won't was say then we won't to say oh we got it does? No one can take that? Owen, May this don't be okay? Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Just Listen to Yourself with Kia Davis. This is a j lt Y plus and this is a very special episode today because I am addressing a big controversy that's been happening globally. And I typically don't get involved in this kind of stuff just because I don't have a lot of education on the issue and I never want to sound stupid. But my producer talked to me the other day, He'sai Caa, you really need to do a show on this because there's a lot of people who don't understand what's happening in the Middle East right now on a very basic level, and it's causing a lot of strife in the US. So I was on a show yesterday with this amazing woman, and I decided to call her up and say, hey, can you come on my show and talk about Middle East conflict and talk about what's happening between Palestinian and Jewish interests in the Middle East. So please welcome to the show today. Lisa Daftari. She is a TV and radio commentator. She's a podcast host. She hosts a foreign news desk. And Lisa says, here, you're Iranian and you are a you have you speak four languages, you play piano, and you're a soprano. Do you sing? I? Oh, well, not as much as I used to, but I did. I minored in vocal performance at Mason gross And University, and so yeah, music is a big part of our lives. I mean, I have a child. I try to sing to him when I that's wonderful. Well, tell us a little bit about yourself before we get into this conversation. I briefly introduced you, but tell us where you're from and what you do. So. I was born in a suburb of New York City in northern New Jersey to Iranian parents who, from the first moments of my life that I could remember, instilled within me a love for America, a love for my own culture, which you know, I speak fluently. I even do political commentary in Persian. So I didn't lose my own self, but I do. I did grow up with this love for my country and this desire to assimilate in a place where we can still maintain our own culture and respect our own culture, but also embrace the new freedoms, the new opportunities, and everything else that is afforded to us here in the United States. I my siblings are the same. We all chose very different paths, but this is the lens with which we were raised. I decided to go into journalism school. I think because nine to eleven was such a big part of my childhood and growing up. And I think living on the East Coast, everybody knew somebody who passed away, somebody's parents, somebody's aunt and uncle, you know, somebody who worked in the building. And it really hit me, as somebody from Iranian descent, that this country was about to go through something they had no preparation for, no context for, and that it was going to change the trajectory of this country forever. That's exactly what happened. And I was, you know, keeping all the newspaper clippings and magazine clippings, and at that time, I remember even telling friends like, this is what I want to do, you know, I want to spend my life like just explaining these things. And it's very funny because that's what I do, and it's such a it's a unique niche that I carved for myself. I don't know if I necessarily I mean, I am a journalist. I wear that hat to but I also enjoy the commentary, the analysis, and really connecting the dots for people on very complex issues, but bringing it home and telling you why you need to know about this and why you need to be clear about this. And as you know, Kira, this is your space too. How I should say, under educated and miseducated people are on important things. And you know what, social media is a blessing and a curse. You know. I get so much of my content out on social media, so I can't hate on it. But at the same time, there is so much I mean, people are getting news from social media, people are developing very strong political opinions based on social media, and come on, I mean, none of that's fact checked. None of that. I mean a lot of it is based on bigotry and hatred and marginalization and slogans and just empty political lies, and you know, it's like playing whackamall. I was telling a friend last night, I'm like, you know, you can't just keep going and correcting everyone and fixing everything. It's like, you know, feathers to the wit. How can you catch all that? You can't? So the only thing I can do, and I know you do this too, is to really motivate people, encourage them, inspire them to go out and learn on their own. And this topic that we're about to get into today is extremely complex and it has a history that most people don't know. But more than anything, it is enshrouded in a lot of bigotry, a lot of hate, and not so much education. And I think that's the main issue, I would say, is what we're finding and why it's such a tense war when you know, influencers with millions of followers are leading the chance and leading the fight on something that is thousands and thousands of miles away and thousands and thousands of years away from where we are. Yeah. Absolutely, And we're definitely not going to cover the whole spread in this one episode, but we're going to do our best. When I contacted Lisa, I said, I want to do this show as an explainer. So we're we're as we enter this conversation, we may have to pull back on some of the nuanced, but let's look at this as a conversation for people who really don't understand what's going on in the milise and who get all their news from social media. And what prompted this, Lisa, was my daughter who is sixteen. The other day she said, Mom, who do who are we supposed to be supporting in the in this Middle East war? And I said, well, we support Israel. We're Americans and we're Christians, so God has told us it's biblicals right there. It's very clear. I will curse those who curse Israel, and I will bless those who bless Israel. So we support them as Christians, we support them as Americans, and they're the only country with with values that reflect our own in that region, and they're very vital to global stability. And she, Lisa, she was She was like, are you sure, Mom? Are you sure? Because everybody is saying and she's sixteen, so what's every Who's everybody here? It's social media, it's people like, but everybody is saying that it's the Palestinians that are being that are the victims. And she kept saying that, are you sure, Mom? Are you sure? And I'm like a honey, I promise you, I'm sure. But I realize that I'm taking for granted that people understand that Israel is our ally and people understand this issue. And I haven't quite absorbed. You mentioned it earlier, and you you really hit the nail on the head. You said, the course of our country, the trajectory was changed after nine to eleven, And I do believe the way we're approaching this today is a direct result of that, and we can we can follow up thread all the way through twenty twenty and Black Lives Matter and CRT and all of this racial grievances have really reshaped this conversation. So that's what has motivated me to get on the horn and break this down as simply as possible. So I'm going to ask you, and I hope you're you feel comfortable doing this. Do you ever do you ever have like a thirty you do foreign news for Alytics. Do you have a thirty second run down or a five minute Rundown. I could try people like when people look nowadays, people stop me at you know, at the grocery store. I'm like, wait what, And I don't deny anybody that. And I Kira, I said yesterday on live TV that I want to give you a virtual hug because I truly do what you just said. You know, it triggered something in my brain, and I want to start with this. So many of the ailments that we have today in society, I mean all across the board, in terms of social justice movements, in terms of you know, the microaggressions, in terms of like, you know, we're mean to each other, especially you know, you and I live in a major blue city where you know these things are like Bible right pronounced Bible. You know, how dare you offend me? But then all of a sudden, that same group is calling for genocide of an entire people. And you said something so interesting. You talked about being a Christian. Some of my favorite places to go in the United States are small towns. And it's funny because I'm from New York City. Basically I lived right, I grew up there, and now I live in Los Angeles, where obviously it's all hustle and bustle. But more recently and as of probably the pandemic and Black lives matters and all of these other social justice things that have really reshaped for the worst. I don't think we've become more sensitive towards each other. I don't think Black people have a better go at it because of this. I think it's because of the loss of the role of church in people's lives and the places you go in America where there's a church on every corner, and not only a church on every corner because it's a building, but you have people going to church on every corner. That's where you still have the people who I said to my husband, I went to a target, you know, outside LA and an hour outside of LA, and I'm like, I sneezed. It's like four people said God, bless you. And I was like, not only do they care to say bless you, but they're invoking God. I'm like, oh, I love it here. You know, that's what's what's gone from from our lives. And I think it's so important for people who have teenagers and college students and even you know growing up, you know before that as young as you know, elementary school. I mean that that presence of Church of God, of understanding Judeo Christian values as a fundamental part of our DNA will prevent and protect a lot of us and will guide the way for a lot of these things. And it's not to say we can now we're about to get into it. But it's not to say that we blindly support Israel because we are Christians, or because we are Jews, or because we are following the Bible. It's to say that we've been manipulated by social justice movements, by intersectionality for some reason. It used to be it used to be that the black community felt so close to the Jewish community, right, because they shared a lot of like, oh that's bs, right. A lot of times you would go down to the South. And I've seen documentaries on this because obviously we're not old enough to know about this, but and thank god in our lifetime we didn't see this, but it would say no Blacks, no Jews. Right, So we've like seen this history of America unfold with Blacks and Jews being marginalized in a similar way and also having the desire to move up in a similar way. Right, So and working together. So for example, they say Jews own the media. Well, a lot of the media's personalities happen to be African Americans. And then they're working together with Jews to work their way up. And who's being left out of that? Oh, the white the white man, right, it's like the booking man is the white man. My point is nowadays they have young people believing that if you care about gays, you should hate Israel. If you care about BLM, you should hate Israel. If you care about pronouns, you should hate Israel. If you care about any of the social justice movements of the moment. That's the cross sectionality. Then it's a requirement, even if you don't have an opinion like your daughter. That's why she was confused, because it's being told to their age group that if you're a decent human being, you should hate Israel. Now, the kids don't have this information where the only gay pride per and the whole Middle East is in Israel, and very starkly juxtapose that with you'll get hanged and anywhere else if you are gay in Gaza or Iran, or you know, Saudi Arabia, wherever it may be. These are facts. These are not my opinions. So it's it's truly upsetting to see so many young people in the United States. Now what I do for a living, and I when I cover Gaza and I cover Israel. You know, it's understandable that some child growing up in Gaza or the West Bank grows up with a hatred for the Jews because that's the way they're indoctrinated. Their math books literally say if I kill two Jews today and to tomorrow, how many Jews have I killed this week? And that is how they're raised. So I leave that because I know that that is a bigger fight, and that is a that's that's hopefully for the future to fix. And with Abraham Accords, we saw a lot of these moderate Arab nations coming along and saying, we don't really hate Jews, we kind of want an iPad and an eyewatch and a Ferrari and we're willing to work with you guys. And they signed these Abraham Accords. They don't all of a sudden change their DNA to like reprogram themselves to love Israel and love Jews and love Zionism, but they get it that this is a hang ups. It's a trope. It's keeping them back and they want to move forward. Now, fast forward to twenty and twenty three on the streets of New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, London, where you have these protests with young kids calling for genocide. They're not calling for human rights for Palestinians. That's different. Hamas, a terror organization, launched an attack on Israel. Now, if you guys remember Isis. Remember Isis launched an attack at a concert in Paris, and all of a sudden, everyone was like praying prayers for Paris and prayers for this and prayers for that. No one had two opinions about well Isis had a point. I mean the French people had it coming. I mean those aggressions were gonna, you know, boil over, and all of a sudden you have now because of this Hammas attack on Israel, on civilians, I mean the most grotesque attacks. I mean there are there are people on the ground that are volunteers and collecting body parts, and they say eighty percent of the people who were attacked were killed, massacred, were tortured, families burned together. They told them hold hands and remember this was the Sabbath, so there's still like cola, bread on the table and wine on the table from their holiday, and they burn them alive. And there's even a scene where the Hamas Millet of the terrorists actually sit down and enjoy the family's meal, but after killing them. And I mean only monsters could do this. I'm not even gonna say animals, because animals have compassion for others. So I mean people are missing the facts here, Kira. And then you when you come back to the streets of la or New York. I mean they're calling for gen side of a people. And these are the same kids when they call Israel an apartheid state. I always come back with, namely three things Israel's doing that makes an apartheid state. They couldn't even place Israel. All right, Let's let me stop you there, because that is absolutely yeah, one hundred percent. We're talking about people who couldn't place Israel on a map, and if they could, what they would see is one tiny dot of land in the size of New Jersey, in the midst of a sea of enemies. So they have this idea that Israel is like the size of North America, and it's just sort of taking over the Middle East. Let's back up a minute, list and talk about because you mentioned Hamas, you mentioned the way that the gods of script are educated. So let's just back up briefly. I'm gonna tell everybody that this is a conflict that is thousands of years old. This is not new, This, this is biblical, This is based in all of human history. I would say the Jews are probably the most persecuted people in history. As a black woman, that's probably gonna get me canceled by a lot of people. What I would say, yes, and as again as a woman of faith, I know that's because they're the people of God. But even outside of faith, if you go ahead, but let me give you one one thing that because obviously I you know, I don't know what I would identify as. But when you see me on the street, you're not gonna call me white funny. Growing up, I have your hair, so everyone thought I was African American. Growing up, I literally have your hair. I know this is a lot of ironing and heat, but my point being, I have grown, I have I basically have my foot in different communities and obviously I'm not you know, from the South and I'm not. I'm not sheltered from different prejudices. But what I keep telling everyone one is when you see these slogans, whether it's on social media or on the street, she take out the word Jews or Israel and put blacks or African Americans, would it fly. It wouldn't fly. It wouldn't fly. And I'm not saying there's not racism in this country. Don't get me wrong. I don't want to get canceled either. I understand that there is a history and there's a hurt there right for African Americans, but I also think there is much more of a boundary meaning right now. I don't think it's because of BLM. I think it's because of time and because of perspective that this country has come around and evolved. And you know, I hated the BLM movement so much. I hated it so much. Why because I grew up in places where my neighbors were an African American family, where the father was a CEO, the mother was a nurse, and the kids went to Harvard and Yale. So now the BLM movement makes people think they've got those positions and got those jobs, and got those college ex this is because of their skin color, and they absolutely did not. These were like the most smart, amazing, sophisticated like yourself people, and they smart people and accomplished people in this country come in all colors and shape, sizes, whatever you want to call it. And all of a sudden we had to pause and this like this, this kind of uber sensitivity is always it always backfires, and no community should ever want that uber sensitivity because it just takes away from our honesty, our merit system, our our ability to see each other as human beings, you know, and it's it's so sad. Right after the BLM movement. This isn't actually a funny story. I went to william Sonoma here that was near my home, and I was waiting in line to pay for something and this very beautiful and well put together black woman was in front of me trying to return something. Now, the girl at the desk was like kind of like this, you know, typical woke pierce blue hair or whatever it is. Kira. When she saw this woman, she like lost it. Like the way she was kind of like she lost like, oh wait, let me take care of you. Let me And she's calling her associated in the back. There's a lovely woman here who's trying to return something. Now, mind you, Kira, the woman trying to return something from like four years ago that was broken. I mean if it were if it were me trying to return that or anybody else, they'd be like, girl and get out of here. You're not returning this. And look, it was fine, but if I were that African American woman, I'd be mortified. But somebody is walking on eggshells and being different around me because now she's like paralyzed listening to this story, right, I was too, because I have to share this with you. So I know we're not here to talk about black lives matter, but this is funny, and my listeners have heard this story before. It happened during when we were in the heat of all this, my husband was at home depot shoppying. My husband's a black man, and he said there was this lady just staring at him while he was shopping for plants. She just kept staring at him, and he kept thinking do it like, do I know her? And he was just so uncomfortable. So finally he stopped and asked her. He was like, oh, sorry, do we know each other? And she said, oh no, no, we don't. I just wanted to tell you I'm sorry. Yes. And my husband, who is not political at all, he's very conservative, but he really is a political and couldn't have cared less about what was going on with BLM and everything. He thought maybe she had hit his car or something in the parking lot and followed him in to explain it. So he was like, oh, uh, sorry for what, and she said, well, I just want to apologize for my privilege, and I want I want to tell you I hope you're comfortable in our community and we're so glad you're here. Now. My husband was like, before that interact, I was comfortable. I was in I lived for fifteen years. After that, I felt so uncomfortable. I felt so targeted, Like now people are staring at me. I don't know this lady. I know her intentions were good, but she made me feel so weird. And that's how it was at that time. It's like, everybody, you know what it's exactly what you're what you're describing is exactly the issue with this American pendulum that we always have. It's like we always have to go. Now I have a friend who's whose child is about to apply to college and in Los Angeles and the college counselor at school, very conservative person, I mean with a lowercase C. Just you know, a nice college counselor, you know, the way we had college counselors told this student like could you say you're like bye, or like maybe have desires to be trans or something? You need something for your application because as is, your grades are great. But and again cringe, right, how did we get here? And you know what I will, I'm sorry because we're so off topic on all of this, but it's not really off topic. You use the word privilege, and I want to take that word and kind of catapult it into what we're talking about right now. When I see these kids supporting Hamas on American streets, that's when I say privilege. That's when I say, you are so misguided, privileged, you know, just so not self aware. I don't know even how to describe it. You are supporting a terror organization who wants you dead. By the way, hey y'all, this is Ali Michelle. I'm a conservative social media influencer that has been censored by big tech, so I broke away from the restrictions and started a pack cast called pillow Talk with Ali Michelle. My show is a space to have real conversations about the issues that impact everyday lives without the fear of being canceled by the big tech tyrants. Subscribe to pillow Talk with Ali Michelle and FCB podcast on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you getch podcasts. That's Ali ALII. Come check out my show. I'll see you there. Let's start here because I think this is the thing. I was listening to my children talk. I have a sixteen year old dollar, I have a twenty one year old son who also had the same questions for me. Brol you look twenty one on going together? Thank you. This is my last year in my forties. I will be fifty this summer. Yeah, anyway, thank you. He So, they have this idea that Gaza and I I think this does tie back to what we've been ranting about for the last few minutes. They have this idea that the Gaza strip and the Palestinian people, and I'm using their coaches, the Palestinian people are the oppressed side. And I think it's simply a racial thing. I think that's all it is I think that they've been programmed now through public school. Mean, I do my best, but they've been programmed through social media public school to the noble side will always be the person of color, and the wrong side will always be the white people. And they think of Jewish people as white people. That's the funny thing. Jewish people. First of all, I would say half the country, I don't know the exact demographics are Sephardic Jews, meaning they come from places like Tunisia, Iran, Syria, Morocco, and there are Africans. They're from Ethiopia and other African nations. They're blacker than you. I mean, they may you look like you're very white. You've seen them, and maybe that's you know, the again, mis education, under education, misinformed, I don't know what you want to call it. But there are blacks, blacks in the Israeli military, blacks in the parliament. I mean, it's crazy to think of Israel as a white nation because of many Obviously of the Jews from the Holocaust that were from Europe went to Israel. The fear. I want to talk about one thing right here, just because we came upon it, and then I'll go back to something else you mentioned. There's something someone said to me this morning that I never saw. And again, this is all about perspective because it's not us right. So we may support from far away, but we don't have this fear that I'm about to tell you. Someone said to me this morning. He lives in New York and he said to me, you know what really hurts that the world doesn't get is that Israel was our place to escape to when the rest of the world was persecuting. Yes, and now it seems like Israel's not our safe place either. So we have nowhere to be and nowhere to go. So the Jewish people around the world, I mean, how many are there twelve thirteen million Jews in the entire world. That's like point oh, not even one I think of the entire population. And they can't even have a sliver of land, like you said, the size of New Jersey for themselves. And people talk about So let me throw out some of these slogans and then I'll debunk them and tell you why they're false, Okay, because I think that's probably the most you know, that's the most constructive use of our time in that way. So they talk about Gaza, the people of Gaza, and how they are victims. Let me start with this, it's very, very possible to be the victim and the perpetrator at the same time. It is it's very possible to be the victim and the perpetrator at the same time. So in our in our time right now, someone like AOC makes you believe that if someone comes and puts a gun to the seven to eleven guy and steals half his register and maybe ends up taking a slice a loaf of bread on the way out, that guy's hungry, so he is justified in doing what he just did. Is he a victim because he's poor and hungry, maybe you want to define it that way, But is he justified in No, he's the perpetrator. He's a criminal. He just put a gun to an honest working man's head. And this is what people are for, people like us who grew up I guess in the for me eighties and nineties, and you're just around the corner from there. It's crazy because we grew up with the honor system. We grew up with the American dream. We grew up with hard work pays off, we grew up with capitalism, and now this is all being crashed and these kids are kids. The next generation is going to have to pay for it, and they don't understand. So when people say why doesn't Israel give them food, water, electricity, first of all, Israel doesn't owe them food, water, electricity. It's a gift, and no one talks about that. So on any given day is there a thanks to Israel for giving them food, water and electricity. Now the world doesn't even know that they don't owe it to them. Why because they evacuated Gaza in two thousand and five and handed it over to the Palestinians on a silver platter. At that time, it was under the plow with it, which evolved into Fataha Fata party which is now run by Mahammudabas. In two thousand and seven, Hamas ran that political group out of Gaza, and now they're only in the West Bank. So in Gaza they're supposed to be independently, basically living on their own. So if they're given water and water and food and electricity, you know, the decent thing to do would be not to bomb them, not to use the same plot of land that they gave them to launch rockets against them. I don't know how this is lost. It's so black and white in this in this capacity, it's very black and white. Are the Palestinian people oppressed? Yes? Are they victims? Yes? Do they lead? Can I say shitty on this program? Do they leave? Shitty? Existence is yes? Whose fault is that? Humus? Who's fault? Let me tap you right there, Lisa, and then I want you to keep going because and please speak to this. This is the other thing that people like my own children might not understand that the Gaza strip is an extremely fertile strip of land. They gave them that. Yes, they gave them the santio pey of the Middle East. They gave them. What are your kids talk about? Bora, bora, whatever you want to call it. I said this on a radio show last night. I'm like, take that piece of leg because there's Kira. Here's the fundamental difference in the aftermath of the Holocaust, right, the Jews began to build and build and build and build. They had children, and they taught them about the future. They didn't dwell and victimize themselves. The Palestinian people again victims of their own narratives, victims of their own government of Hamas of using them as shields, putting weapons in their schools, teaching them to kill and to martyr themselves for money. This is the issue. They don't teach them to build and to grow. They could have Gaza become the number one, uh you know, touristic destination of the Middle East. You know how much money that would bring in. Every dollar they have gotten Kira has been spent on weapons. I saw a funny meme. Funny, it's not really funny, it's sad. But that the only thing I mean, Gaza, they've gotten out into the media. We ran out of food, we ran out of the electricity, we ran out of water. The only thing they're not running out of is rockets, because they keep flying into Israel as we speak, and they don't right and they and they haven't run out of hostage victims either yet. Oh my god, don't even start with that. I mean, Kiera, if you have seen this, but this is real, this is relative. Because I was telling my son, he was asking me because he's looking at social media. And by the way, the media, the mainstream media is doing their partnering with Hamas to do their job. And thank god, you have these kids, your children, because it gives you a window as to what's going on out there. I would love to talk to them because I know that they are your kids, so obviously they're raised with a certain foundation and then they go out there and they're tested. Are they're trying to radicalize even your kids. So imagine the kids who don't have absolutely right. You're absolutely right. And my son did say, he said, well, Mom, you know dead babies. You know something, dead babies. The Jews have killed these babies and these children. The Jews have killed the babies. There's footage of them. Look what's funny, Kira is. I'm sorry to cut you off because I just want to get this one point in there that's very much lost. Hamas is not trying to hide their crimes. The rest of the world is their Hamas is flaunting the videos. I've seen them, and I really and on the one hand, I didn't publish them because of the dignity of the people and the families, because it's just too much. But I maybe should have because when you hear people denying that, you know, I have a friend. She's a part of the school board here where I live, and her aunt and uncle are hostages. Do you want to deny her? You want to look her in the face and deny her that her aunt and uncle or hostages. And guess what here they're eighty and eighty five years old. They don't have their medications, they don't have anything. Are they going to survive? This's probably not. Why should that be the last moments of their lives? And guess what this is the cherry on top. Her aunt and uncle were part of a kyboots. The kuboots is like a community, a dwelling. It's like a village of community. That they went in there and they were in their safe homes. These are like kind of bomb shelters underground. But they went in and pulled them all out and them there or took them as hostages. Her and and uncle at eighty and eighty five were the most leftist, you know, peace with Gaza, We love Palestinians. You know, that's the irony. Will you find that on the other side, will you find that among Palestinians people who are pro Israel and want to you know, there are those that are speaking out against Hamas. I mean, unfortunately less than we had before because I don't know if people know this, But the people of Gaza were out on the streets protesting Hamas up until a month ago. But now that Hamas attacked Israel, they're all, let's break down what Hama says for people who don't understand what Hamas is. So this isn't just an issue of there's one people suddenly popping up, kicking people off their land and being a pressers. Again, this is a thousands year, thousands of years conflict. However, the boundaries of Israel are based on historical boundaries. It was the Israelis, it was Jewish people that were kicked off their land. It was the Jewish people that were expelled from the regions. So after World War Two, the Allies gave that land back to them because nobody wanted the Jews, nobody wanted to come in. Nobody wanted the Jews, A and B. When you talk about the indigenous people, So you know here in the United States, I know a lot of the kids, they learned the history and they're like, oh, we we were colonizers. We not you and I by any means. But the American white man was a colonizer and he came in and the original people from the United States were the American Indians. The original people for Israel were the Jews. So if you care about indigenous people, did you when you talk about a Palestinian Before nineteen forty eight, a Palestinian was a Jew. So I have seen passports of Jews that are older. They were born in Palestine, That's what it was called. The people that are now Palestinian are actually Jordanian descent, and after nineteen forty eight they took on the identity of Palestinian. Now another thing that this brings me to is the responsibility of the Arab world. The Jordanians, the actual blood, the actual blood of the Palestinians, has said we will not take in one refugee, we will not provide any aid. We want nothing to do with them. It's a lot, right Egypt, same thing you're right there, rich Land, all this Arab oil money, all their fertile land. I mean, Israel is this little dry piece of land besides the New Jersey, as we keep saying, and everyone's like Israel. You know, Israel owes that it's Israel's respect, They owe Israel that it's the opposite. Israel is the Jews are the oppressed. Israel is the oppressed state, and they're, like you started out this podcast, They're not perfect. We're not saying that we we just support Israel. No, no is perfect. As close as you're going to get to freedom in the Middle East. I mean, if they're the again you pointed it out, I am flum mixed and confused and absolutely perplexed that we have a student body population, including my own children, who at one on the one hand, advocate for the free expression of your sexuality and say that is the end all, be all of who you are and if you can't express that, then you are the most oppressed person of the earth on the earth. And then go and support a group of people an organizations that hates gay people, where homosexuality is illegal, where they will hang you in the streets for being gay, and then say those are the good guys. But the guys who have the gay part Pride Parade every year are not. Absolutely like, we have this all backwards, and it's on purpose because Hamas is a master at using the using Western values as a part of the war. So Hamas is children listen. Hamas is a terrorist organization that took over the government leadership of Gaza of what we call Palestine or what you all are calling Palestine. The leadership has never been friendly to the Israeli state or Jewish state, but there have been developments off and on throughout history that have at least allowed them to live next to each other. And Israel's figured out a defense system that allows them to repel the rockets that come into their country every single day from the Gaza Strip that they bomb Israel every day. You just don't hear about it because they don't care to tell you. The mainstream media doesn't care to tell you. But Hamas in particular Lisa and please speak to this is a terrorist group. And by that I mean their goal is not to liberate the Palestinian people. Their goal is to commit genocide against the Jews in Israel. They are very clear. It's not a secret. Please foll look it up. Just hit those buttons on your computer. It's not a secret. They don't keep it a secret. So when we say they're defending, like when we see images of the results of Israeli defense attacks and we go, oh, gosh, the civilians, that's a moss putting the civilians in the way of Israeli rockets. Because they're terrorists, right, just like the hospital bombing. Right, that was the best example of all of this. Right. The story turned out to be completely It was in the parking lot. The hospital is still standing. There's videos of this, right, So if you guys want the receipts, they're out there. Right. We live in a day and age where it's all out there. It was, in fact, a palasing Islamic Jihad missile. The mainstream media ran with a false story. Meanwhile, same people who wanted receipts of the dead babies and being beheaded, even though we had the videos for like ten days, they're denying the story of dead babies. But like this, without any verification, they ran with the story of Israel bombing a hospital. Israel would never bomb a hospital. It means do accidents happen, yes, And that's why Israel took the responsibility to say, let's investigate. And they found the video that it shows pals of Islamic Jihad missile backfires and hits the parking lot, which means that the death toll wasn't even that high. But they put people in harm's way, They put people in they put weapons in schools that death toll rising helps their narrative, and it's in the Hamas Charter. I put it up on my Instagram. I put it up on my Twitter. The Hamas Charter states that their intended goal is to eradicate Israel from the river to the sea. From the river to the sea means to take Israel off the mat. Coexistence is not their goal. To get human rights for their people is not their goal. And the binding mustations about to hand them millions of dollars to Gaza. What does that mean? Millions of dollars to their government? Who's their government? To Hamas? What will they do with every single dollar that they get? Put it into terrorism? And people don't tell you these things. People just don't tell you these things. Hey, y'all, this is Ali Michelle. I'm a conservative social media influencer that has been censored by big tech. So I broke away from the restrictions and started a podcast called pillow Talk with Ali Mischell. My show is a space to have real conversations about the issues that impact our everyday lives without the fear of being canceled by the big tech tyrants. Subscribe to pillow Talk with Ali Michelle and FCB podcast on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get podcasts. That's ali ALII. Come check out my show. I'll see you there. But you asked me another question that I wanted to get to, and that was was I think I wanted you to speak to the basically Hamas and who they are as a terrorist organization and the difference between a legitimate government and what Hamas is right, so right they are they're actually so they are on the state terrorist here in the United States. It used to be that if you went to a rally that supported a state terror group that means a group that is recognized by the United States as a terrorist group, there would be jail time. And now you have these young people and head to toe Hamas gear on the streets of New York, LA wherever they're walking around, and it's totally okay. The fact that also our government here is sanitizing the narrative is a big issue. They refuse to show any connection to Iran's regime. Who is funding Hasbellah Hamas Palestinian Islamic Jihad. We've given them money, We've empowered them. The Spider administration wants an Iran nuclear deal. These these are a little more complex issue is that kind of I'm just trying to connect the dots for you. But the main point here is that you're dealing with Israel, which is a sovereign nation, a moral nation, as a real military with the draft system. These are young people like your kids. They're like your kids, they're modern, they love life. They're out there celebrating life. On the other side, you have and oppressed people. They are oppressed, but by their own they're being ruled governed by a terror organization, and that is the way they are growing up. You see the parades, they're handing out candy. I mean, now, Israel's retaliating, So they changed the narrative to be like, oh, Israel's killing babies. Well, why were they having suites and celebrating when that massacre occurred before there was any retaliation. What were they doing celebrating the death of Jews? You will never see that in Israel. There was this quote by Golda Meir, who was an early pioneer of the state of Israel. She was a female prime minister. You'll never see that. In the hour of world right she was and she said, you know, we will forgive you, and I believe this was her quote. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it is an important quote. Nonetheless, it's something like, we'll forgive you for killing our children, but we will never forgive you for putting us in a position to kill yours, and that really it summarizes what's going on in this conflict. But my main point to young people out there is, please don't follow empty slogans, whether they're for BLM or the Palestinians or anything else. Get to the root of the issue. We have Google now, I mean, you know, you can look up anything you want and get educated on it. I know there's a lot of misinformation out there, whether it's on Google or social media, but learn the history. When they say, like you know, Israel is committing genocide, ask them how. Go deeper when they tell you Israel's an apartheid state. How when they tell you Israel is an unfair and cruel government, ask them why, and as you know, go deeper again. These are empty slogans. The leaders of these protests, the leaders that are on the bullhorns with their horrific I mean, it makes your skin call the way that they are calling for genocide on the streets of the United States to our ally Israel, which is it's just horrific. But I think that narrative has been lost obviously. But there's a lot of damage that has been done to this country. And I think that that is why we're seeing what we're seeing happen all around the world, whether it's Ukraine, we might see China invade Taiwan. We're seeing Iran's regime launch this attack by supporting Hamas to do it against the Israelis, and the narratives are all shifted and we are following the wrong guys. Oh you said something. This is what I want to say before. If you're after supporting the underdog, the underdog is actually Israel because it is surrounded. It is we are like, we're looking at a nation that is so outnumbered, whether it's on social or in real life on the ground, Israeli's Jews are outnumbered. And that's the main issue. Right. So you have like the Hadid family, for example, spewing a lot of anti Semitism, and you know who they are, but combine combine their social media accounts and it's more than the number of Jews in the world. So how can Jews compete with this kind of propaganda against them, and obviously in the region they're surrounded when the Jordanians are saying they won't help and the Egyptians won't help them. They were very close. Another thing that people don't really recognize is Israelis were very close to normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia before this happened, which is why a lot of people say that's why this did happen is because it runs which you wanted to stop that normalization from happening. That would have been a game changer for the Middle East. The Abraham Accords did happen under Donald Trump. That was where a lot of moderate Arab states were like, you know what, this whole issue with the Palestinians and Israelis, it's some myth that was to us that though there will never be peace or prosperity in the Middle East because of that issue, We're gonna step over this issue because we're not going to solve it, and we're gonna sign up to have amazing tourism and trade deals with the Israelis. Why not, why not have prosperity? And there have been great private and public deals with the UAE, with Morocco and Saudi Arabia informally has been working together with Israel, but they wanted to make it formal, and of course Iran's regime stepped in and launched this attack. So, guys, there's so much more to it. There is so much more context nuanced to it. Please do not follow these empty slogans. They are cruel, they're violent, and they do not represent the United States our values. Or if you again, truly care about supporting the right side, I think again, if you think it's Hamas, yeah, no, it's not Jumas. And this is not an issue of black lives matter versus white oppressors. This is not an issue of racial injustice the way we define it in the United States. But that is the box that all of our young people have been put into, and they cannot think outside of that paradigm. It's almost impossible. There has to be because think about it, Lisa. Think about even when on TikTok or Instagram, you might see a video of two people getting into a fight, and if one is black and one is white, it's immediately a racial issue on social media, even if it really isn't. Maybe it's over a girl, maybe it's over a slice of cake. Like maybe it's over money. Most of the time it is over just something personal, because most people just fight over personal things, right, and most people do are not that profound right on your on a daily basis, You're it's almost like how many people do you know that are that altruistic that walk around like I define the African American. Therefore whatever happens to me and my existence will be defined through that lens. No, if someone takes your parking spot, you're mad. It's not because you're black. It's because you're mad and someone took your parking spot. And I'll tell you most people probably don't even see the color of the driver. They see a parking spot on they see an opportunity and they grab it. That's how life is, and most people are just living their life that way. But look, I also want to say this Hamas is not just after Jews. They're after the non believer. And when you think it's about Israel, you are fooling yourselves. Because they just called for a day of rage last Friday where they said to go out. They told all their followers all around the world to go out and kill the non believer. So a teacher in France was stabbed by someone who said Allah Akbar and stabbed her to death. Was she Jewish? Was she Israeli? Did she have anything to do with a blockade? Did she have anything to do with food and electricity getting into Gaza? What did she have to do with that? So this terrorism, this hatred, this targeting of the West and Western mentality, because when you think of it, Israel as an extension of who we are here in the Middle East. They are targeting the West and they're targeting our values. Lisa, I want you to expound on this point. This is a very vital point. We're getting to the end of our conversation, but I don't think we should leave without making this point. The other problem here is that we have a whole society of people who are so ignorant of world global history and who have been so robbed of cultural They think their culture, but they've been so robbed of cultural knowledge and understanding that they judge other cultures based on our modern American ideas of what we looked at and they do not understand they And in a way that's a good thing. It means we've done a good as a country that they do not understand that most of the world is not like us. Most of the world are deeply, deeply steeped in ancient religious views. Most of the world forget about Christianity. Most of the world believes in a God, some kind of God, some kind of creation. They think we're the idiots for, you know, engaging in atheism and not putting cultural issues in context of religion. They think we're dumb. You cannot import millions and millions of people from an area of the world that doesn't that grows up, its steeped in these ideas that women are not that women are just property, that other races are are undesirable, and all all of the biggest that comes with. You can't import all those people and then just pretend that just them being in a different is going to change. You nailed it. And I'll give you some examples. Honor killings here in the United States, Lisa killing, killing their gay sons here in the United States. Why because they bring that over with them. But like I had this exact conversation with the producer TV producer friend of mine this morning, and I said, you know what the issue is that these young kids, they their lens is American, so they therefore they see everything and they they sanitize the narrative because of their own perspective. So it's like that's free speech, that's this, that's that. They don't realize that. Let me say this, forget about the Palestinian and Israeli issue. No one, no one besides for a monster, would be able to be head babies, slaughter families, set people on fire alive, they cut out of I'm gonna lose it because this one they cut out a baby out of a pregnant woman's belly and with the baby was hanging out and killed them. Anyway, I who over policy, over a governance, over a blockade. I'll tell you this here because I just remembered it. I've traveled to the Middle East, maybe twenty times in my career. I've been to Syria. I've been to Lebanon. I've been to Israel. I've been throughout Gaza on the West Bank. I've been to hospitals on the border between Gaza and Israel, where I saw with my own eyes they were triaging an ISIS militant with a hole in his knee. Israel was fixing him and putting him back together. Another Palestinian girl eight years old. They had a cake for her that day because she was done with her multiple series of surgeries, orthopedic surgeries that totaled almost a million dollars. I believe the number was eight hundred thousand dollars for all of her surgeries for free, was done by the Israeli government. And guess what. They would go back to her village, pick her up with her family, bring her back to Israel to treat her. Then they would go back get her aunts because she needed blood and her aunt was a match, brought them back and all the while they got two idea of soldiers so that no one would question them. They were protected. They offered them protection, surgeries, food, supplies, whatever they needed because Israel does this, and nobody in the world knows this or covers it. And Israel does a piss poor job in their own pr By the way, well, Israel has their own issues with will get They have their own issues. They should be bragging about doing all these things. They don't do it. They think it's oh, it's our it's our obligation to do it. But look what happens. Look at the world and how they judge them. I only see say this because I've seen. I can send you the pictures. I was in that hospital and to see and I was able to speak to some of their family members with my own translator. It was it was incredibly interesting. I can't tell you enough about how and I know these things, but I was still shocked. I was still shocked at the at at the level at which they were helping these people, and and and and and really imagine being like a little Palestine girl who needs all this medical attention that I'm talking about, cutting edge surgeries that she would not be able to get anywhere in the Middle East except for in Israel because of their advanced you know, medical you know technology, and they were doing this for her, you know. And I and I wonder, and I I did ask the isis guy who was in his bed, I have I have these videos, I have the pictures. I said to him, what did you think about Jews before you came here? He said, I thought they had horns and tails? And I said, what do you think about them now? He goes, I think they have horns and tails. So that just tells you everything you need to know. Saved his life for free. They don't and they will not persecute by the way people think, oh, they brought him into the hospital because they're going to arrest him. No, they're going to take him back and drop him off. There is Yeah, there is so much to be said about this. We really do need to wrap up. But I think I think we've we've done a decent job of digging in here, connecting some dots. So I appreciate that, but I think, sorry, I will say this, Kira. I want to thank you, because I think you can't cover all of this even in four hours, let alone one. But I do think that the seeds that you're planting for your own children, for your school district, and of course for your audience, which is much much bigger, is very important. And the message is it doesn't matter what subject it is, but inform yourselves, don't drink the kool aid, don't go along with it because it's not going to be a good path. And I think that that's really and and I see this from a young age. It's like people are trying to really teach their children to be independent, independent thinkers, not follow the crowd, and don't let that pressure you know, you know, kind of guide you ry. You can. It's a social justice buffet. You can pick and choose what you want. You don't have to follow you know what they tell you. It's very dangerous. It's really really dangerous, and I think that that our youth are going to be paying for it the field. Yeah. Absolutely. And the one thing I appreciate my kids about my kids is their curiosity. And we have always said that you don't have to agree with me, but be curious. So that's why they even brought it up with me in the first Exactly, I was going to say that to start the fact that your daughter even asked you your opinion, rather than saying, I see a lot of young people find their pants. Girl, Lisa, I was at a school board meeting last night. I told you this. We had a very contentious school board meeting in our district last night for parental notification, and all the activists showed up. It was brutal, and they loaded up their side with teenagers with students, and because the student should be deciding parental notification, that's the funniest thing. So one girl got out there and almost the whole audience ended up laughing because she's very emotional. Of course, all these kids were very emotional too, and she was like, I've noticed that all the people speaking out in favor of they call it a forced outing policy. In favor of this forced outing policy, no one is under the age of forty five. It's like, you're forty five, what do you even know? We were? That's insanity, but it's so telling of how they're being inductrinated. Yeah, No, totally, we were. Just we were. I mean, it was the whole audience on both sides. We need you, We need you, Kira, we need you in La. Thank God my kid's too young for this, because I would lose my shit. They're having a coming out out week and what age is It's start at kindergarten. No, we are in We are in dire strengths, girl, And that's what I said on the show we were on together yesterday. We were on Newsmax together, and I was like, look, the barbarians are at the gates in every way and a lot of this is could have been avoidable, but we just didn't have the moral fortitude for it. And so it feels like an uphill battle now. So I'm not going to adjudicate what is going to happen in the next electoral cycle, or what should happen. That's for another day. Perhaps you'll come back and talk about that as we get closer to the election cycle. How foreign policy is, it's just amazing. Like a lot of these kids, they will tell you they're very concerned about global issues and they think people like me and you don't care, but they are not informed at all. They have no idea how global issue. And you know whose voice is the loudest, people like Rashida Talaeb or ilhan Omar or aoc. Why are their voices the loudest when they have the least amount of experience in Congress and they lie In the last forty eight hours, those two disgusting women have had so many lies on their account. And it's like, you're not just some you know, soccer mom in Dearborn, Michigan. You have a position in Congress. You cannot lie. You cannot make this up. But I think here to your point, and this is why your voice is so important in society right now. I don't think these whether it was by design or by ignorance, I don't think people in the United States realized how far this very radicalized ideology would take us, and now it's seeped into our foreign policy. To your point, something that started out is like oh no, you know, it's blm or oh no, we have to you know, respect each other as pronouns turned into really defanging ourselves, our military, suffering for our Department of Defense. This is suffering for it. We cover all this at the Foreign US about how this woke culture has really weakened the United States in many, many important positions. And guess what, the rest of the world doesn't care if we're using the proper pronouns and they're about to beat our asses all over the place. You know, China, I see this all the time. China is teaching their fifth grader's calculus and we're teaching our fifth grader's pronouns. And that is that's why we're going to suffer for it. And I'm gonna let you yeah, I know, you know, that's why I have my kids taken Chinese lessons. All figured it out, Lisa, I'm gonna let you go. So before I let you go, tell everybody where they can find you. People Again, this is just we just covered the very very tippy top of this iceberg. Lisa's guy a bunch of commentary. This is a well issues all over the world. So please, when she gives you her info, go follow her and educate yourself. And you don't have to believe everything she says. You don't have to become a believer or a follower. Just be curious. Just be curious, Just be curious. Inform yourself. Go go out and learn and study and be curious and ask the right questions like your kids do. You can find me at Lisa deaf Terry on Instagram and Twitter and everywhere else, and my publication is called The Foreign Do So. If you actually want to get a daily cheat sheet on the world's top ten stories, I provide a free newsletter every morning, you can sign up for that at foreigndesknews dot com. I'm gonna go sign up for it right now. Thank you so much for joining us, Lisa, and I look forward to talking to you again. Everyone who's heard the show, please go follow her. If you got anything useful out of this show, share it because these are important matters and we've got a lot of truth telling to do in the face of a lot of lies that have been told, a lot of damaging lies. But I believe our perspective is the side of the truth. That's I usually don't come down really hard on ish use on the show because I like to think through stuff and leave the conclusions to people. But this is one issue that I don't have a lot of tolerance for, and I just think there's this one right side here. So but if you think I'm wrong, if you think Lisa's wrong, give me hit me up. J lt Y at ProtonMail dot com. J L t Y at ProtonMail dot com. Let me know what you think of this. Don't forget to hit subscribe, like, leave me a rating all of that stuff, and do the same for Lisa when you find her stuff as well. Lisa, God bless you, and I will talk to you again. A prais masoda that we won't repay, then we won't to say, oh we got it? Does no one get dig that? O? 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