This is the FCB Podcast Network. Our Prayers Masoda Day that we won't was saying, then we won't say all we got it? Does no one get take that away? Don't say it's gonna be okay? Our Soda Day that we won't was saying, then we won't say all we got it? Does no one get take that away? Don't don't say it is don't be okay. Well, hello, everybody, Welcome to another j lt Y plus. This is a podcast where we take hot topics, hot button issues, and we discuss the talking points on those issues and we draw those talking points all the way out their logical conclusion. Day's going to be a fun one because that's got a very special guest with me. I've got Keisha King from King Consulting. She's also had a podcast on the FCB Network and she is an activist, a mom, and a pluical commentator out of Florida. And Keisha and I have been talking ad nauseam all week to all kinds of different people about the Florida curriculum. And I know you guys are really interested to know how people like Keisha and I black people view this curriculum because it's been so controversial, and I feel like I'm in the minority of the minority crowd. I'm not sure what's happening. So I've watched Keisha online defending the curriculum and just shouting out some good common sense, and I was like, girl, come on my show. Let's have a conversation because I don't know what's happening here. Keisha, welcome to the show. Thank you so much. Has here than We'll tell people a little bit about yourself before we get started. Yes, yes, So I'm a mom, I am a political commentator. I am I'm an activist for parental rights and conservative values, and I think what we've been going through lately just culturally as a country is it's very important that we pay attention to. So I've I'm the host of the Keisha King Show, and we talk about faith, culture and politics over there, so talk a lot of them, a lot about So let's just get right into it, because here's the controversy. I'll do a quick review. The Florida, as we know, has really taken the lead on taking control of their own curriculum, sort of jettisoning the crt angle of a lot of things. The governor asked the College Board and the Department of Education to go back and write a curriculum that is round, robust, and doesn't embrace this weird Marxist, anti racist thing that we're doing. They came up with a great new curriculum, just sort of building on the curriculum that's already been there, and there's been an entire there's been a huge expansion of the African American studies section in the curriculum, and that's where the controversy comes in. The controversy comes in over one line, and here is the line. I'm going to read it the page the first page I saw that I read all two hundred and sixteen pages. So the first page that I saw this on it maybe before this, but I think the first page place I saw it was page seventy one. This line comes three times in the curriculum because there's three levels that the curriculum is four. Here's what the line says is on page seventy one of two hundred and sixteen pages. Instruction includes how slaves develop skills which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit. And then the Democrat machine jend up. President Vice President Harris said something was able to string together a few words that made sort of sense, and she said, how is it that anyone could suggest that amidst these atrocities of slavery, there was any benefit to being subjected to this level of dehumanization. And the controversy has gone on, of course to Santis is running for governor, he's defending it. Senator Byron donald came out earlier and criticized the curriculum, criticized this portion anyway, asked the Santists to defend it. There's been a back and forth and people are finding that controversial. Akisha, there's a group of people who feel like de Santis attacked Byron Donalds. So give me your initial response. Will dig into the details, but give me your initial response. When you saw people Kip picking up a fuss over this, My initial response was, this is gonna like blow over because like everybody knows, like they the slaves, you their skills for their personal benefit. Of course they would we what else were they gonna do? Like I'm supposed to be beat down and not use the skill Like no, Like who's gonna do that? So I really didn't think that it was gonna be that big of a deal. I mean, And of course, you know, Kamala would know about a lot about slavery because her family used to own, you know, they owned slaves, so she would know, but apparently she doesn't know the details, those particular details that slaves did use their skills to benefit themselves and their progeny. And so I did not think originally it would get this far. So I was just kind of making light of her being in Jacksonville, which is where I live, and I was like, girl, go home. Why don't you go to the border, because I actually just came from the border about a month ago. Clearly like I think you need to be over there. There's a real problem. Let us do what we're doing here in Florida. Let's we'll handle what we do. You go over there, And you know, I was just kind of saying, go back to where you came from, or go go do your job. And so I really I didn't even mention the standards like at first, but then when it started like picking up in the news, I'm like, this is crazy. So I went I listened to the entire twenty three minute speech, and I was like, this lady is psychotic. But I mean it. It was like a campaign speech. It was a speech to Garner support for Biden and twenty twenty four. I mean, if you know politics, you know this is what they do, and that it's not explicitly said, but it is. You're reading between the lines. It's like, okay, yeah, she's campaigning. So but I was shocked by the by so many black people who found issue with it that I was like, I was so since I think I had the exact same journey as you. I expected the Democrats to make hay out of nothing. I couldn't believe how many people were angry with the scientists personally who didn't Aid didn't write the curriculum. I don't even think he has the power to approve the curriculum. I think that's de So I just was so to me, I was like, okay, well, all right, great, people see it differently, fine, but the I couldn't believe that there were people who are out there going this, You're you're falling into the Democrat trap again. This is why GOP can't earn minority voters. This is why they can't earn black voters. They disrespect us so much. There's no benefit to slavery. Why would we we? I saw someone on Twitter say this was like, this is an easy fix, just change the line. And you know, I don't know why the GOP is always falling into these these traps. You you gain some and then you do this to African Americans and not I. That's when I decided to read the whole curriculum, and before people get too impressed. It was not a hard read, like it's bullet points, so it's not like reading it two hundred and sixteen page But but I went and I was like, what is the problem. This curriculum is actually great. It's actually a really good round as Byron Donald's himself. But it robust curriculum. So A, what what good would it do to take that one line out or change it? It doesn't change the curriculum at all. It does nothing to change the curriculum because the curriculum is perfectly mine. And B this is one line in two hundred and sixteen pages of information. Titia, do you think that Governor Desantist has the obligation to demand the Department of Education fix that line just to make this go away? No? So no, So I how these things work is there is a work group, and I've been a part of a work group where we were helping to try to get try to fix the language in legislation with with pornography being in books. So it is a very open process when like when I like, literally anybody can watch it online, you can add comments. You know, it's a very I think it's kind of cool. It really kind of illustrates our government set up, like a bottom up set up. I don't know if other states do that. I don't know, you know all that, but I certainly I think it's great that we do that. We had these scholars that I came in, and you know, they kind of took the lead, and anybody from the community could have chimed in on, you know, what they thought should have been put put in or taken out, And certainly legislators could have chimed in or what what could have been put in or taken out, and and and so I again, that's why I think it's political, and I think it is crazy for conservatives to cave to the left, especially when it's something that is true. Why would we change anything and get on board with them because they said so? It's like, absolutely not, especially when this is not about teaching the truth. They're not like nowhere, no one, not even the stupid shirts that they make, is quoting the curriculum correctly. So it's like we're supposed to cave to what they're saying, even though they're not even telling the truth of what they're saying. No, I'm not changing a thing. Nothing should be changed because it's teaching the truth, and they intentionally leave out skills and personal benefit because that changes the entire a sentence. I read it to my sixteen year old daughter, no con text. She hadn't even heard, you know, about all this stuff going on. Just read the line. I said, what do you get from it? In no way, shape or form did she get, And so I'm like, Okay, my sixteen year who used to be a teacher and who was like, he doesn't pay it even that much attention to politics period. He's conservative, but he's like very a political so he didn't even know what this controversy was. I just was like, what do you think when you hear this? I want to read it again, just to reiterate what it says. Let's talk about what it says and not the title. I wrote a subsack on it. Everybody. If you want to go to my subsect, just Kara Davis dot substack dot com. I wrote a little article about it, and I say, hey, don't read between the lines, just read the actual lines. There's no line it says. So here's what it says. Includes how slaves developed skills which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit. Now here's why. And now kind of Keisha repeating what I did on my podcast this week about the show. But and y'all can go back and listen to that. But here's why it's important Because I read the whole curriculum. It's divided into three parts, right ka through six or five, six through eight, nine through twelve. They're all learning the same things, but more mature, more advanced versions of the same thing. So it's a building block. Right. You don't tell a first grade or the same horrors of slavery that you would tell a twelfth grader. So we got a built to it. What happens when you get to twelfth grade, eleventh grade, you're learning about reconstruction. What's reconstruction? This is when thousands of thousands of blacks moved up from the South to find work in the North. What did they do for work? They weren't educated. A lot of the morning hadn't even been allowed to read. A lot of them couldn't even sign their own names. They were just sort of booted out of this horrific institution of slavery and not given anything. We didn't get our forty acres in the mule, and so everybody was like, hey, just go out, good luck, go out there, good luck. We know we gave you nothing. Here's nothing also, but your freedom. Go ahead. What did they have to work with when they got up north? How did the North become a bastion of industry as a result of reconstruction? How do you explain that you're gonna have to build on that? Where did these people get the skills to begin a manual labor industry that was so successful Democrats and liberals had to erect a union system to keep the black laborers out of the market because they were so successful. How did they know to do that? Skill? Did they go during slavery? I mean, what did the BA writing deal? You know what I find so funny this is one of the comments. It's like, well, don't you know that Africans had had skills before they got here. I'm like, they sure did. But are you trying to tell me that the same Africans they got here, uh, you know in the sixteen hundreds are the same ones that were freed in the eighteen sixty five. Because that's a lone life, okay, Like I know, we you know, we tend to live a long time, but not that long. And it's like this, people are coming up with some of the most craziest uh reasonings why this is a bad you know, a bad thing, instead of just dealing with the fact that, yeah, it's it's true and it's not bad. That is good. Why are we trying to bash something that you know, like my great great grandfather, he was born a slave. He bought his freedom through how how how did he buy How did people? How did slaves buy freedom? They were sometimes allowed and I think, I mean, this is the truth. But when we say the words, it doesn't feel that good. But this is the truth. They were allowed sometimes to go out and work for a different you know, other outside of the plantation. Sometimes they would be able to keep all of that money for themselves. Some would be able to keep some and have to split it with the slave owner, and some of those slave owners took all the money, but when they were able to keep some or all of it, they saved it, and they were able to some of them were able to buy their freedom. That is a fact. We talk about slaves buying their freedom all the time. I'm just so curious, like, where do people think they got that money from to buy their freedom. I don't understand, Like, it wasn't it's not a black and white thing. It wasn't all one thing, and so you know, it's it feels weird to keep that different this sentence because it's just so innocuous. To me, it means absolutely nothing. And I think that some people are making it worse by feeling like they have to keep defending it, which is another reason why I wanted to do this podcast with you. There's a lot of people who are like now wanting to dig into the nuances of slavery, and I'm like, I believe me. I just gave you what I think is a perfectly rational explanation for why this would be in the curriculum and how this curriculum builds. But at the same time, it's like we're giving so much air to this non controversy, and then people are getting themselves twisted and not trying to explain things. And the more words that are out there, the more words that are to be twisted. There's no there there. This one sentence is meaningless. It means nothing. It's not offensive. It doesn't mean the thing people are saying it means, because if you read it, that's not what it says. You have to read in the offense into this line, you have to read it in. And I don't understand the argument of oh, you don't think Africans had skills before they got here, well, obviously, because what did slave owners use those slaves for their skills that they came with. Some of them came with skills on agriculture, some of them were very strong, they had been hunters. They turned skills to their own perverted personal benefit. So why doesn't the opposite apply, like when you know, why do you get skills on the way in, but you don't get skills on the way up. Everybody's comporting themselves into these big rate falls over nothing. It is crazy. It is one of the most craziest things you know. And I hate I mean, I don't hate to say it, but it's it makes it doesn't make people look very smart. It doesn't make it. It makes it's like you're trying so hard to be a victim. It literally puts on blast this this this this want a need to be uh a victim, oppressed and just down trodden, that there's no hope for you. And that's what we're gonna give to kids in this day and age, when kids have some of the highest suicide rates, the highest levels of mental illnesses, we're going to continue to sell them no hope. Is that really what we want? I mean, they're watching what we do, they're watching what we say, and so this this idea that you know, you can go through an atrocity, an extreme hard time, but sorry to tell your kids, there's nothing for you. There's nothing you're gonna get out of it, absolutely nothing. And so I mean the deeper when you dig down into this, the level of victimhood is really sad. And the message at the end of the day that we're selling to kids of sorry for you, You're never gonna be anything because you're black. You know, look the slaves, they didn't they couldn't even be anything. And how dare you say that they took a little piece of something, and we're able to go and take that and make something for themselves, you know, and their their families. So I just find it it's it's crazy. And you know, when we talk about history, I read, well, I had book or T. Washington's book around, but I read from his book because I had remembered when I read it, like a couple of years ago, he had mentioned, you know, something about that, and I had it highlighted back from back then, and I just I was like, oh, this is such a god a god moment, because he literally said that the slaves and their son, the slave owners and their sons, they had they had mastered no special industry because they looked down upon manual labor because they in their minds like this was just gonna go on forever and they didn't need that. We were just gonna have slaves forever and there's there's no end to this. And so when he says and when freedom came, we slaves were better prepared then the master to go on to make something of themselves. And he's like, we we we mastered these handicrafts and we were not ashamed to go out and use it and It's just like even Book or T. Washington himself is now being criticized because people are like, oh, there you quoting Book or T. Washington, like basically like who is He's like, okay, we have all right, we have to stop. And I think what I have, I think what worries me. But I don't mind just agreeing. You know, I think screaming is healthy. I don't. I think it's really important for I think, especially conservatives who aren't black, to know that black not all black conservatives think the same we have. We feel differently about different things, and we share some more values and other things are just sort of up for disagreement. So I do. I do enjoy the diversity of opinions in our little subsection of conservatism. I do get that, but I have felt like this, this controversy has made me feel like in some ways, and I learned this when I was running for school board too, we're not much better than the left. We complain about what they do on the left. Two good people trying to do good things, but we fall into the same traps. I have heard so many people, including Byron Donalds, say that they are so disappointed with Ronda Sandez over this. They you know, they don't feel like they can support him. They wonder if he's racist because of this. Now, this is the same guy that during COVID, who was not bowing down to the COVID machine. All those same people were like, this is the man, this is so great all I'm so glad that he's standing up. It took it just took one thing, you know, for them to flip all the way instead of saying, I don't like this. I don't know what he's doing here, but this this one thing. And I noticed when I was running for school board, there are people who are like, oh, I'm on your side, Like, I'm so committed to Kira, You're amazing, thank you for running. We need someone to fight the union machine. But then the first time the union like pulls down pictures off my social media out of context and post them totally out of context to make it look like something it wasn't. Then there are I'm getting calls from people who like, I did support you, but then I saw this this one thing, and now I'm like, I'm so disappointed in you. I can't we do to ourselves. We're always complaining about why don't good people run because people like us lose our freaking minds over things that have very simple explanations and don't need to be political in the political space. And that's a progressive tractic it is. That's why I was so I thought of Byron tim Scott. I didn't I don't think he really knew anything that was actually going on. It was like, yeah, if you yeah, anybody's saying that, like they shouldn't say that. So I don't even think he knew what was going on. But Byron certainly did. And you know, on top of this, we had we had an AP African American history course that had a lot of gender ideology and critical races. You're in it as well. But in that that Kamala Harris supported and the left endors was the same line that nobody had a problem with. And so for it when you start to really look at this, and I mean Byron was out selling this curriculum, like this AP curriculum. He would like there's a a speech of him in a church, you know, like, hey, this is good. You know, it has the same same line in it because this is a historical fact that we've known for a long time, and he didn't have a problem with it then, so to side with the left on this and you and now you're you're going against your fellow Republicans. And I'm not even wanting someone to say, like, just because you're a Republican, you have to agree with every single thing that they do. No, I don't believe that either. But on this issue, it's a fact the left is using it to sew this division. You Like, why on that issue you do we have to be divided? Like we're literally getting dog walked on, you know, by the left by caving to what they want. I am perplexed. It's like, do we not understand, like this is not whatever your political you know, reasons are, because again I do think that's why they felt like they had to go after this de santists, Like that's not gonna help your guy win either, because it's the moment you do that. It's not like they're saying, Okay, you know, Trump is doing better or like nobody is going to give you points for siding with the left, Like, if anything, you've just alienated some of your base that did support you, So there was no win for you know, these these conservatives like Wesley Hunt and John John James, I think his name is Michigan. Like none of these people, none of them, no win for them politically, So I don't know. I don't get it. I really don't. You can't be that politic kinds of people. I'm not going to name any names. But there are some people who are just gonna go where the money is. So there's a presidential race going on, that's true, and there's a lot for some people. There are jobs or future consulting contracts that are at stake. But there are other people, I think, who really do feel passionately about what they're saying, and they do believe it. But it's my humble opinion that they haven't read that curriculum and they haven't read that. They're responding to the reactions and not the actual information. And so you can't. You can't. You can't change something based on what other people believe it is. You have to change something based on what it is. And if you looked at if you look at it and you say, okay, this is actually is Now that we've looked at it further, it is inappropriate. We should change it. Yeah, I think people are reacting to the reaction to it. They feel like, oh, you're giving the Democrats easy win with this one. No, the Democrats went through the curriculum and cherry picked something and made something out of nothing. And that's all this is. As you pointed out, Keisha, and this line is not much different. That is a lot simpler than the previous curriculum, but previous curriculums still use that language of benefit personal benefit. Every People are framing this as like the Republicans think that slavery was good for black people, and that's not what I'm going to read the line one more time, everybody. This is what it says. Instruction includes how slaves develop skills which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit. There's not a single word in there that points to buy people loving to be enslaved. That's all reactionary. We can't react to the reactionaries. Let me ask you this, Keisha, because I don't know the answer to this is Byron a Trump guy? Okay, yeah, sorry it has come out to endorse Trump. Oh yeah, I was just saying, yeah, he was trumping. When I was doing my podcast, I was like, is Byron a Trump guy? And I'm not trying to blame Byron or like be like, oh see, now you can't trust anything. He says, I don't have a person in this race right now, so I haven't landed on your on any side. I'm gonna let the primaries play out. But realistically speaking, then it makes a little more sense to why he might pick this apart. I'm with you, though, Keisha. I think it's a dangerous tactic. I think I get what he's doing, and like, go for that. You've got your your surrogate for your guy, and just Nant just has his circuits, and you know, go for it. This is the arena that you're in. But to pick a battle that you're going to need to win later, to pick a battle that is very important to the twenty twenty excuse me, twenty four elections and that will be important to your guy. Your guy is going to have to be strong on because that's what's winning elections for Republicans across the United States. To pick that battle and hand the GOP a loss so that you can hopefully hand your guy I win temporarily. I think that is bad news. I think it's bad strategy. The education issue is going to have to be a lynchpin of any Republican platform moving forward. And if you take your away your ability to properly defend good education, you're hobbling yourself in the end. Hey, y'all, this is Aliy Michelle. I'm a concern of social media influencer that has been censored by big tech. So I broke away from the restrictions and started a podcast called pillow Talk with Ali Michelle. My show is a space to have real conversations about the issues that impact our everyday lives without the fear of being canceled by the big tech tyrants. Subscribe to pillow Talk with Allie Michelle and FCB podcast on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you getch podcasts. That's Ali a l II. Come check on my show. I'll see there exactly this notion of like that wanting to change the language or wanting to or coming out against against it, that it would leave black people who have you know, started to look at the Republican Party as an option that somehow it's going to if we don't sort of mimic the left and sound like them, that they're not going to consider Republicans anymore. And so I don't know if you know this. But in twenty twenty, I ran the Black Voices for Trump office here in Jacksonville, and I mean we were very, very successful here and I did pretty much the opposite of whatever and what the RNC was suggesting that we do. I was actually just honest with voters, you know, Black Americans that would come into the office. Are you know when we would be out in the community doing things. If you sound like the left, what is the dip like, how are they supposed to determine? What is your differentiator of this group, this party that I've been voting for for a years and you who you want me to consider coming over to your side. It was the fact that I wasn't sounding like the left, that we didn't sound we actually had common sense values and policy that enrich their lives. That was the selling point. You don't have to lie to black people to hit them to vote for you. You just have to go there and appeal to what they want. That's all we did. Now it's a it's a much different process than what Republicans in the past have done because I do appeal to the things that they want and not through you know, here's more government for you. But oh, you want your small business to do well. Oh well, if you go with this side, they're gonna there's a barrier to entry. You can't even start a barbershop in your home because they want to regulate it. You know, you want to do braids inside of your house. Okay, Well, this party over here is wants you to, you know, pay all these extra fees when you vote over here. You don't have to do that. You know, it's just common sense, and they feel they are appreciated of you telling them, giving them game as we say, you know, tell being straight up and down with them instead of this bullcrap. And so you know, it's it's just like, no, you don't have to sound like the left. You don't have to. You're not gonna offend black people by telling them the truth. You won't. Actually, I think spark something within them that all human beings have, which is that that level of truth of that God that resides of God that resides in all of us, that it brings them back to reality. You know, it helps them refocus. So you don't have to do all this you know, tap dancing and chucking and jive in and you know all of this other stuff. You treat them like you would treat any other voter. You respect them, you respect who they are, and you you treat them with dignity and integrity. And so you know this idea that there you're going to alienate more black voters from the Republican party by well said, I want to go back to something you just said. I kind of want to bring it back to church. But you just said, what's the difference between us and them? If you're if your strategy is to sound like the other side, then how will your voter tell the difference between And I get that. I that's what I think too. I'm like, you'll have to give here in California, the idea is that, like, there's hardly any real conservatives left, so any Republican that wants to win needs to really shift to the center. And my thing is like, but why would a Democrat who's already a Democrat vote for a Republican who's sounding like Democrat when there's no social gain in voting for a Republican, So just keep voting for the Democrat. Then if y'all are the same and going to do the same things. But in the church, we see this happening. And I've talked about it on this show before too, and I talk about it a lot. But we see this happening in the church, I mean the larger Christian church, in the Western Church, which is there is a movement for the church to begin to sound more secular, more like the world, so that we can be more inclusive, right, more inviting, more diverse. I can remember leaving my my big church I guess some would consider in a mega church. These days. I don't go there anymore, but I recently left, but I was leaping. My husband and I are some of the only black people in the church, and because that's the area we live in, and we were walking out, the pastors like here, I got to talk to you. I just want to know how do I get more black people into the seats? Like I want to see a more diverse church. And I was so taken. Aback. I was like, that's such a worldly request, Like how do I get the right balance in my church? And I and I didn't say that, but what I said was, you just preached the gospel, or you gotta switch your ninety minute service to a four hour service because black people don't feel like they're in a church unless they're in a church for longer than two hours, and get of your skinny jeans, ribated, and you got to get a choire in there. We like choirs, and you better get a little more animated. I'm like, a lot of this is cultural, dude. The Black people are going to church. They're just going to the church that they like. But this idea that we're supposed to be more like the world and look more like the world is killing the Christian Church. It's killing the Gospel in the West. It's so dangerous. People have to know that you're different. This is why I tell my daughter all the time. I'm sure you tell your kids that too. You people need to look at you and know there's something different about you. It's okay for you to not look the same as the girls in your class, to not be the same weight, to not have the same hair, to have different curves, to have different eyes. It's okay because people need to look at you and see that you're different. It's how they're gonna make their choices about you. I just think we're just we're wanting to become homogeneous and yet complaining about being homogeneous. Yeah, yeah, you know, there's no when when you uh collaborate with evil? You know, and and and some people might think that's too far, but I think the left has very blatantly shown that they are wicked. I mean, when you can look me straight in the face and be okay with mutilating children pornography and second you're pretty I mean, that's that's wicked, you know, And I I there is no you can't. You have to draw the line. How do you continue to reconcile to to collaborate with these people? There there They have no desire to collaborate with the right at all. They they will not. And I'm not saying that we want them too. I'm just saying, like, if you are if you believe what you believe, there has to be conviction in that. There has to be a point where you say, I am not giving an inch. There is a point where there is no negotiating, there is no common ground, there is no coming together if you have to. If that coming together means that I have to cross over into wickedness, I'm sorry. No, No, it is especially when it comes to children, because they are literally watching every single thing we do, and these policies are shaping their future. So if we can't be firm in what we say, we believe the values that we say we uphold, what are we doing. We're not really serious, Like this is just a game. And for me, this is not a game because you're you're playing with my children's lives. That is That is how I see it. That is why I get so passionate about it because I see what goes on behind the scenes in these school board meetings. In fact, one of our school board members was literally walking around in a shirt that says slaves slavery did not benefit black people. This is a school board member who was perpetuating the lie and so and he's a black guy. So when people see a black guy saying that he's wearing the shirt, he's you know, they're they're promoting him at you know, they have pictures of him in the shirt at the school board meeting. That is further pushing this wickedness of lying into society. And so so for me, you know, I I see it more like you like, this is such a bigger deal than just politics. And we've been saying this for a while as conservatives like, looks, look, this is bigger than politics. This is like, this is a spiritual battle and for us to come out, for some Republicans to come out and say, you know, well, we just need to tweak and change the line and all of this stuff. No, you can't cave to wickedness. And yeah, I totally agree with you siding with the world, siding with the world today. No, I'm sorry, I can't do it. I will. I'll take Jesus for very much, and all the smoke. I will give me all the smoke. I'm would cantos down. I want it, bring, I want it, let's go. I know I've read my Bible. I know who wins in the end. So yeah, it is. Again, I think it is totally fair to be upset about this. If there was something to be upset about, sure, absolutely demand that this be changed. It was an idiot thing to do. But again, uh, if if this said slavery benefited black people and black people actually were appreciative of slavery, I would be like, that's crazy, everybody, what are we doing. That's not but that's not what it's said. Yes, it's like you just pointed out that shirt that the school board member is wearing around. It's like the don't say gay bill, which is absolutely there's not the game where gay is nowhere in the bill. And I mean I read. I read that whole bill too, by the way, and I did I read it for my audience, not because they particularly enjoy having legal bills read to them for thirty minutes on air, but because I didn't want anybody to have any excuses. Most people won't read Most people won't read this curriculum. Most people won't read the Parental Rights Bill, but some people might listen to it in their car or something. So that's why I do it. But this whole I think there's one other dangerous thing that I think is going on here Keisha, at the risk of maybe offending some of our friends on this side of the fence, but I think I find it irritating. I'll use that word irritating, that there's some kind of controversy because the Santis had the nerve to respond to Byron to me what the Santas said. He didn't insult Byron, he didn't. His response was he is not reading this correctly. It doesn't say that we're not going to change it. I'm not even going to entertain this is this whole thing is ridiculous. He's wrong, He's wrong, and there's a certain element even on our own side that's like, he shouldn't have talked aboy Iron Donald like that, because now not only do we have to defend this line, now the left is looking at us and here's this powerful white guy and he's criticizing this black guy, and it doesn't look good. It's not good optics. And my thing is like, what did de Santas say to Donald's that was so bad or any worse than what Donald said? It was a disagreement between two representatives. But are we supposed to believe the Fantis is not allowed to speak publicly about what he disagrees with with Byron because Byron's black? Is that where we're going? Kia? You know? So you know my story. I came into this whole thing of politics because the Lord spoke to my heart and told me that my skin color had become an idol in my life. So that whole thing a black first, I can't I no longer I understand it, but I cannot. I can't co sign that because I have already been convicted of that, I have already repented from that. It is not something that I'm willing to go back to because that is not what God wants us to do. That mentality clouds you're It clouds how you see the world. It clouds how you're able to respond. Are you telling me? Are these people say that black people are above criticism? Because I know some pretty terrible black people. I know pretty terrible white people. Actually terrible has no respective color. It comes in all colors. And so if we're going to go down that road of you know, black people are above reproach. And if he if he cannot even be criticized, I mean, Byron is not some little boy who has no power. He is a United eight congressmen, for crying out loud. This is a guy who goes into the den and we have champion. You know, many many times. He's not a little boy. He's a wrong man. He can handle it. And I think this this idea of like, oh we have to coddle him because you know, how dare he be you know, checked for his being in the you know he's not he's not right, Like he's just wrong. Many of us are wrong, we all we can all be wrong. You know, it's just wrong. You know it happens, okay, you know, and it has no bait. It has nothing to do with him being black. That's stupid. I'm sorry. I mean, I don't mean to be so direct, but I don't know what else that's that's dumb if we're going to operate on a premise that you know, you can only be criticized if you're white Black criticized by Republic thought it was a replise Byron donald And I think Byron Donalds was criticizing Ron J. Santis either. I thought he was giving an opinion that was wrong about a very important curriculum, which, by the way, this is a model. This curriculum is a model. He shout. I read through this whole thing. I mean, there's so many good parts, the financial literacy part. We need to take that and we need to put it in every school district across America right now. This board got it right. They got it right. The whole thing is really good. To depict it apart over this one line, which isn't even a problem, but even if you thought it was a problem, to read the rest of the him it blows my mind. But I don't think Byron was criticizing Jasantis, and Jasantis wasn't criticizing him, he was just saying he's wrong, He's got this wrong. I disagree, and I'm not backing down on this issue because there's nothing to back down on. This is a good curriculum and I'll defend it. And also, DeSantis is running for president. So the other criticism is that, well, he should have sat down with Byron. We should have got them to the table and then they can commute. No, DeSantis is running for president and he's the governor of Florida. I'm sorry. He does not have to sit down every time Byron Donald or any person opens their mouth to make a comment about him. He doesn't need to do that. He's running for president and he's busy. Okay, booked him and like it well. On Twitter, Byron said, like at the end of his I think it was the first Twitter post that he had put out about it, he'd said, that's why I'm I'm supporting Trump for president. That's where I think the criticism where they're trying to say, like there was some criticism because he kind of compared, you know, because he brought in the presidential election. And so I think that maybe why people are drawing that conclusion. I'm not sure, but that that would be my best guest. And I agree with you. I don't I wouldn't say, you know, criticism, but certainly, uh, just stating his opinion, you know, whether we've how we feel about whatever we feel about it or not. But that one line, you know, I think that's why people are like, Okay, it's criticizing. And then when de Santists responded, he didn't bring in the presidential election. But you know, he has a right to his opinion too, you know. And and I guess at the end of the day, if Byron has beef, you know, go take it up with the board, with the work group who created it. That should be I think you're right, it's political. I think some people have taken on taken it on. Maybe they're they're reacting to the reaction and not to the politics of it. But to be fair, because I did ask you about Byron and his support for Trump. But to be fair, are you supporting Desantists? Are you a Decantist supporter? I am a Decantist supporter. You know. It was really tough for me when Trump came because I worked for a Trump's campaign. You know, I've I've been I came into the Republican Party. Under his administration, he was he's been the best president of my lifetime for sure. And you know, a lot of the things that Trump did has been I mean just incredible. However, watching Descantists and his understanding of the constitution, his his working to get Florida back to a common sense, more constitutional, uh minded state, getting all of his you know, culture, these these woke issues out of the schools. We have the best economy in the nation. You know, all of the things that he's done. When Trump came out and said he criticized De Santists over COVID, he said that Cuomo, of all people, did better on COVID than Desantists. And then he he criticized I know, and then he criticized him. He said he went too far with Disney, and I was just like these people were literally on came or saying how they were intentionally pushing gender ideology into their programming. It was, you know, I understand the idea. It's like, well, private corporations are private and the government should not have any say so, like yes, but no, if they're doing something we wouldn't even say that with a parent. We're not saying, well, that's your kid and you can you can abuse them if you want, because it's your child. Like, we don't even say that with parents, you know, like you can do whatever you want to your kid. I mean, nowadays it seems like you can't even literally mutilate them in some states. But we don't even take that approach with parents. So to say that a corporation can push sexuality onto children, and we're not supposed to say anything. We're not supposed to have laws and stuff that say uh no, that's not okay. That was those two things for me because as you know, fighting against the masking of our kids, all the hell we went through as parents with COVID, and this was under Donald Trump. You literally gave Faucci, you gave him right you know, over the government, and you gave him an award on your last day of office. I'm like, okay, look homeboard, like you you don't cross some lines, because it just it triggered me here or it like it took me back to the rallies of the protests that we were having about trying to not have our kids math. Even when the Santists had lifted it for the state, we were still fighting because of I don't real government, and some mayors were still trying to push it. It was hell, I don't remember. I didn't know, and I know I know you do. And so for him to say that, I was like, Okay, I to be fair, and do you think I mean, let's just step back. This is a critical thinking podcast. Let's just step back, look at this, take the thirty thousand foot view. Do you think that your support of decantists and your disappointment in Trump is informing your opinion on this issue? No, I and I know why people might say that, but I don't you know, I as much I had more of a uh for Trump as president. I certainly had more of a of a of a sort of a relate, not relationship, but a sort of a stake in that, you know, than I did as Descantists as as president. I understand that, but I certainly I feel like I'm being objective because I'm like, Okay, maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way. I asked my daughter what she thought about it. I asked my sister, who is totally a political and she's a Democrat, and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna just read this, you know. So I was trying to check my own uh you know what I was thinking about this thing because I'm like, I'm not seeing it, but I could be wrong, and I don't. I try to be objective because it's certainly possible if if you are supporting somebody, you can get you know, your vision can't get clouded because you want your guy to win or whatever. So that is certainly a possibility. But I'm not willing to even let my own support for him as president cloud like the kids what they learned. It's more important than that, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's more important than me like going behind you know, my candidate. To me, that's how I'm not playing those those kinds of games. Sit down and read the curriculum, because I I don't want to be biased. I mean, on this show, we try to work through our biases. Everybody has a bias, and that's normal and natural and I and you can't escape it and you run in more dangerous danger. You can be a bias, but the best you can do is examine your biases. And so I want to make sure that I you know, wasn't letting my bias about even like about the GOP. Like, I have certain opinions about how the GOP treats minorities, particular black voters, and I'm not always that impressed with and me and you have had those conversations. I mean that that's not unusual. So I'm even looking at things through that filter. I'm trying to like be careful about it. And so one thing I've learned in my almost fifteen year career is that if something looks it reads too good to be true, it probably is. So if it's something that's so outrageous that you're like, say, I'm so sick of this, look at what they did, you should go read the whole thing, because most likely it's not that it's not true. The example I always give Keisha is a very black default Democrat friend of mine on Facebook posted this article from Indiana. It was about a small town in Indiana that was going that was working to ban public breastfeeding band band women from breastfeeding period. She's like, look at this, This law will make it illegal to breastfeed your daughter, your kid in public. This is what the Repulicans are doing to you. So I was like, wow, let me read this article. I've never seen a law that was like you can't breastfeed. I've seen like nudity laws and stuff like that. So I was like, let me read it. Well, I winitely you do with breastfeeding this people in this somebody had built a strip club next to the elementary school in this small town, and the parents were complaining. They were like, you shouldn't be allowed to open a strip club next to elementary school. So but there were no ordinances that said otherwise. So the town got together and made this ordinance that you couldn't have nudity within so many feet of a public school. And my friend was like, well, she only read someone's summation of the article, and that person said, if this law passes, it could make it illegal for you to breastfeed your child near the school. Too good to be true, you know, And that is the thing that I always think about. I always think about that story when I think when I see a headline at that. So when I read it, I was like, yeah, Nope, this is much ado about nothing. My one hundred percent, I think objective opinion about this, regardless of what's happening in presidential or guvnatorial politics is that there is no there there. What we see Trump in the Santa's doing is just typical presidential platform. You know, they're campaigning. So this is campaign. But let's not get sucked into making each other enemies over a battle that does not exist. This is Camela holding the football and Republicans, particularly some Republicans are trying to kick it. That is what that is it that is what it is. And at the end of the day, we're all going at once the primary is over, everybody is pretty much everybody's gonna get you know, galvanized around that candidate. So what are we even talking about. Like my differences with with Trump and quite frankly being upset with him of how we handled GOVID, It's still not going to make me not support him in the general election, and I'm going to do everything that I can to get other people to support him in the general if he so happens to win it. So it's like like you said, like this is what happens. This is good. Primaries are good. It is good for us to that is our process. It is good for us to kick the tires on these candidates. Nobody is owed the presidency. You know, nobody, no, you this is the American system, would say, good system. Is it a perfect system? Absolutely not. But having primaries is a great way to figure out who is actually the best for our nation. And so, you know, let them do that and let's you know, as you know, people that are involved in politics, or let's not get involved in what they're doing as as candidates, which is trying to earn our That's what this should be focused on, trying this opportunity to point people because I bet when you were talking about the system, there are people listening who are going out. But we have a two party system. Me, I'll have a lot of choice. Actually did a j lt y on the two party system. As somebody who grew up in a parliamentary system in Canada, I think I have a unique perspective between which is better. And there are a lot of Americans who think that the two party system means we don't have a choice, and actually we do have choices. We just make those choices at a level that's closer to the individual before we get into the general stuff. We do have choices. We make those choices way early on in the process, which is actually a privilege and distinguishes us from the chaos parliamentary So go back listen to that one two party system. I believe I make a very logical case for why the American system is the superior system. Hesha, thank you so much for weighing in on this. Always respect your opinion. Love having you on the show. Please tell people once again where they can find all of your stuff. Yes, Karatt, thank you so much for having me on. This was a great chat about this. You can find me at Keisha King dot com. So go there. You can find links to my podcast or my show. Basically you can find links to the mass exodus movement. That's a resource prepares to get their kids into better UH and learning environments. You can find out a little bit. Yeah, and don't forget QUI s h A. And don't forget to follow me also on Twitter or x or what I don't whatever it is now Elon's place. Follow me over at Elon's at real Curadavis. 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