This is the FCB Podcast Network. A brand is a soda day that we won't was made and we won't say all we got it? Does no one get Tatto's gonna be okay? Day that we won't was bad and we won't say all we got it? Does no one get tatto? Don't bad it is? Don't be okay? Hey, everybody, before we get started, just a quick reminder, don't forget to subscribe to this podcast, give it a like, give it a rating and a review, and don't forget subscribe to my substat Jessica Davis dot substack dot com as well as we appreciate your support. Enjoy this interview with Coach Bill Courtney. He is amazing. You're gonna be inspired. Well, welcome back everybody to another episode of Just Listen to Yourself. Plus, I have another great guest with me here today and we're going to talk about something that is really near and dear to my heart, which is service, of course. So without further ado, let's welcome to the show Coach Bill Courtney. Now you might not recognize the name right awhile right away, but Bill is an extremely accomplished American and he has just launched a new foundation and podcast that is aimed at helping in the service area. But Bill is a native of Memphis. He's a former high school football coach. Heet He coached at Manassas High School in Memphis in the Inner City, and he was such a successful volunteer coach and had such a moving experience with those guys that Hollywood came knocking and he was the subject, along with his players, of a twenty eleven feature length documentary which was nominated for an Oscar Undefeated. Excuse me it one the Oscar for Best Feature Length Documentary Undefeated. You may have seen that. And since then Bill has continued to coach, he owns a business, and he has recently started the Army of Normal Folks. So he's going to tell us a little bit about that. Bill, Welcome to the show. Thank you so very much for having me and the far too kind to introduction. Oh it was I mean, I only knew about you from the film. I hadn't really read up on what you've been doing since then, and it was an incredible experience to read about your journeys since the film. But before we get into what you're doing right now, could you talk to the listeners a little bit about Undefeated, about your experience in Memphis and why that was such, why the story was so important that someone actually chose to make a film. My mom and father were divorced I was four. I had no relationship with my father at all, and you know, my mom did as good a job as she could. But there were a lot of guys in and out of my life, and I never really had a dad, and even the surrogates that came and subsequently went weren't much of surrogates. I had two grandfathers that were good guys, but I really didn't have that personal relationship with a with a father or a father figure except for my football coaches. So after I graduated from All Miss, I just wanted to coach football. I thought it was a great calling, and that's what I did for a living until I met my wife, Lisa, and we had four kids in four years and a wife and four kids a year. Yeah, a wife and four kids in four years on seventeen thousand dollars a year and no insurance. Wasn't getting it. So I got into business, and so that's the business side of me. But I continued to coach in the State at Tennessee, you can take a bunch of classes. If he was called a certified non faculty football coach. So I was that and I coached for twenty year, twenty three, four or five years the whole time, even when I left it as a profession, and Manassas High School was in the same area that my business was, and an opportunity came up to coach. And when I got over there, I found seventeen kids and a program who'd won four games in ten years and neither say it was a mess. And seven years later we had seventy five kids on the team. The last two years record was eighteen wins and two losses. And some guys from Hollywood showed up and said they were going to make a movie, and we thought we might see it on Channel four hundred and fifty four on a Wednesday at three in the morning. One day and a year and a half later, I was walking down the red carpet at the Academy Awards. How about that? Well, I think what I love about the story is well, listeners on my show will know I have a heart for service. I ran in after school program in the inner city and Gary, Indiana for a while, and the one thing that I learned from that experience is that a lot of our kids are just starving for leadership. They're just starving for someone to come in and say, hey, I have expectations of you. And I feel like we're not offering people expectations anymore the way we used to. So when you offer expectations, people, especially children, really gravitate towards that. Well, I think, especially with young men. I mean candidly. You know, I've been fortunate with my business and my own children. I've grown up with the same mom and dad in the house for thirty something years at least and now will be mary until the day we die, a nice home, enough money in our pockets to take vacations, and good schools. And so their reality is one that I don't identify with, you know. My reality identify more with the kids of an Assis, which is a lot of loss, a lot of sadness, some of the insecurities that come along with a young man and fatherlessness. And it's one thing to have a divorced father that's in your life. It's another thing to know you have a dad and he never wants to see you, or he never makes enough to see you start you start to wonder what's wrong with me? Why am I so valueless that my own father won't spend any time with me? And so the tenants that are installed instilled need to be character and commitment and integrity and civility and teamwork and the dignity of hard work and the value showing up on and all of that stuff that dads are supposed to teach. My football coaches taught me and held me accountable to them, and so when I got him Nassas, it was time to coach football. But it was real apparent, real quick that the basic fundamentals and tenants of how to lead a successful life long after the days of football are over where those were missing, and it was paramount that we started not only coaching those, but to your point, expecting those. But the last piece of that is holding them accountable to those. And what was interesting over the course of seven years is the culture changed and instead of the coaches having to hold the kids accountable, by a year five, six, and seven, the older kids on the team were holding the younger kids on the team accountable. And that's when you know you've reached a culture shift. When you know, it's one thing for a leader, a boss, a coach, apparent, whatever to lay downs the laws and old people accountable. It's a whole other thing when people that have been in that culture now assume leadership roles and start interstuting that accountability on the new people involved. And that's some of what happened and some of what you see and undefeated and Undefeated has nothing to do with win's losses on a football field. It's about not being defeated by your circumstances. And I think that's why Maybe resonated so well, which led to speeches all over the country, which what led to my book Against the Grain, which led to more speeches and more interviews, and now which has led to what we released on Tuesday, the podcast An Army of Normal Folks. And so this is a great transition into the podcast because what you're talking about really a service. And but I talk about this a lot on my show too, because we talk a lot about how do we shift the culture. The culture seems to be running away from sanity these days. I mean there have been pockets. Now, when you were coaching, I'm sure you noticed you already had a head start on some of the craziness that was coming to the rest of us. I knows as a member of the black community. I know that everything weird is like it starts, it's experimented on in the Black community, and then it spreads out to the rest of America. So you really had a front row seat to what was coming to the rest of the country. And that is just a lack of how do I say this, it's is the idea that the basis of our culture are these are these values that seem very old fashioned these days, all outdated these days, but you laid them out when you were just talking just accountability, the productivity, being responsible for your neighbor, being responsible for the person next to you, and these are issues that we're affasing. Oh yeah, go ahead, Well, I was just going to say to piggyback on what you're saying. One of my core beliefs is that when I wrote the book Against the Grain, it's every chapter as a tenant or fundamental. It's fifteen chapters on each and it explores that fundamental not from a preachy standpoint, but really through metaphorical stories of people who've been in and out of my life as I've either managed or coach, or they've coached or managed me, and how their interaction in society emulated the value of that characteristic and how it worked. So like character and commitment. But the whole point, the whole thesis behind writing the book was we can be And when I say progressive, I don't want to get into politics. I'm just saying evolutionary. You can be afford thinking, progressive, evolving society without abandoning the core principles that defined us in the first place. We can do that. They can harmoniously coexist in our ethos. The problem is when we are enabled, because of cancel culture or whatever you want to call it, to have real conversations about race and religion and politics and creed. When we can't have real conversations now I mean civil, non threatening, but very real conversations about the stuff that matter, because we're afraid of being canceled or we're a faid to being categorized into a certain group or another, and we can no longer have those conversations with each other. The fabric of our culture disintegrates, and it is scary to me. And so that's what the book was about. And I've been talking about this stuff for some years, which is what led to the podcast, but not expressly that point. It's kind of evolved to other stuff. But I guess all I'm doing is long windedly saying I couldn't agree with you more that fundamentals and evolving culture not only can exist, but should exist, but they can't exist unless we can break down the barriers that the politics and the media have built for us based on our categorization of who we are based on what we look like. And when that happens, we can't communicate. Then we can no longer explore how tenants and growth go together. It's like you listen to this podcast as I've just been talking about this forere like weeks and weeks now, but I had a recent guest on we were talking about the nature of political discourse. This is why I do this show. I'd like to break down ideas, breakdown our talking points because I feel like conversations are better when we understand what we believe more when we feel more secure. And sometimes this is why the podcast is called just listen to yourself. Sometimes when you say the things out loud that you're thinking, you're not saying what you think you are. When you dig into those talking points, you're not actually saying what you think you are. So that's what this is. But I was just having a conversation with a friend and I was saying, it feels now like, which is why I love what you're doing, because it feels now like we're setting up to alternative to competing economies, to competing sets of values. We are not even on the same social media anymore. We're seeing a split in social media, we're seeing a split in politics, We're seeing split in companies. Now, oh, I'm going to have a progressive message. I'm going to have a conservative message. And so everyone goes to their corners and buys from the conservative or buys from the progressive company. And it's like it's like we're at this crossroads and we're splitting, and we can't have those conversations anymore because we don't speak the same language anymore. Even the words we have for simple things like man and women and marriage and relationships, even those words don't mean the same things they used to. And so anywhere you can find where people are advocating coming together rather than picking apart or splitting apart, it's extremely valuable. And that's what you do over at an army of normal people. That that's that's it. That's what an army of normal folks is about. It, may I, if I may explain, it wasn't my idea what I said podcast what my idea. I was being interviewed about a year ago, and I said, I was really fed up with whatever the world was happening right then, and honestly don't remember the specific a situation, but you know, every week, pick one and I said, you know, there's areas in everybody's city, Memphis, every city where when you pass by them, they're the places you think, please, don't have a flat tire here, I don't want my car to break down here. Or you're on the interstate and you're like, if I break down here and I have to pull off this off ramp, I'm not good. I don't you know. And then as you pass by those places, you kind of look in your ear every mirror, and you see the disenfranchisement and the poverty and their loss, and you think, you know, someday somebody had to do something about that, as if the sentiment that somebody had to do something about it matters, And I think it doesn't I suggest we kicked that river View mirror about fifteen degrees to the left and think, you know, maybe I had to do something about that one day. And you know, I think there's been some well intentioned probe grams that are decades and decades old in our government that have gotten out of control and in some cases I would argue or even paternalistic, But I think we can really agree that the government has proven wokenly inadequate and caring for the most disadvantaged among us. And I'm really sick of really smart people on CNN and Fox and fancy clothes using big words nobody really uses. They're not fixing anything. And I just told the guy who's interviewing me, I just really think what's really going to break the proverbial chain and going to fix our culture. It's just an army of normal folks looking at places of need and matching their passion with their abilities and their own corner of their world and saying, you know, I can help, And can you imagine what our society would look like today if we had this army of normal folks just in their own corner of the world's using whatever talents they have that when they see need fill it. And you know what's beautiful about that. It doesn't matter if you're black, right, Asian, Hispanic, male, female, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, gay, straight, Republican, Democrat, progressive, conservative, moderate, None of that matters because every single one of us can agree that there's value to serving the most media among us, and every one of us can celebrate anybody uses their talents to do a valuable thing in their community. So we can create this diverse army of normal folks who don't let the noise in DC and the noise of the news shows, quote, news shows pull us apart. In fact, we can pull together and do a lot of amazing things. And so that's what I said. So they came back to me six months later and said, you know this notion you out of it. We're thinking about would you be issued and hosting a podcast where you interview people that are not politicians, that are not a listeners, that are not people that everybody knows, but are doing amazing things in their community. Unpack their lives. Don't make a hallmark story because we all have issues in our life with addiction or finances, or relationships or children or work or whatever and unpack the things that are going on in these people's normal lives, but then show that does not because they're ordained or because the government told them to, but despite the difficulties in their life, like all of us, normal people have the amazing things they've done and their communities to exact some measure of change and make interesting, thought provoking, funny, heart tugging, redemptive and hopefully rational stories and tell those stories once a week and create this movement where people can when they join the podcast, they can join. I know it's kind of hokey, but join the army of normal folks, get a newsletter here what's going on around the world, and maybe create a community of people that are inspired by one another to just do something in their communities. And so it started last week. Man, that's what we're doing. I love it well. In one of your participants, I guess guests. I don't know if he is a partner in this project as well, but is Rodney Smith Junior? He runs UM the what is it? The Raising Men and Women? He mos lawns. I'm I'm a huge fan. I follow him on Twitter, I've I've written stories about him. Yeah, he's one. He's one of my guests. The first guest was Officer Tommy Norman. Do you know that him at all? I don't. He has become the Michael. He's become the Michael Jordan of community policing. He is a white police officer. I mean, let's talk about what our culture has been hit in the mouth with the last five years with defund blacklous motor. Oh, well, we do need police. Let's reimagine the police. Well, maybe we do need to fund the police. And in the middle of it, are you know, African American people scared to death of the cops and cops, you know, the whole thing that we've been going through. And in the middle of it, here's this white guy in North Little Rock named Tommy Norman who who's beat is a largely after American community. He parks his car and he walks it and his goal is to get invited into the front yard, then onto the porch, then to the table for a meal. He gets his people in his neighborhoods phone numbers, he calls him on, his stays off and over the course the last five years, this guy has two and a half million Facebook followers, because he sits there instantly and puts the profiles out about the kids and the men and the women in his neighborhood and how cool they are and how good they are and how you can't sum them up by what they look like and maybe poverty and all. He's phenomenal and he's changed the face of what policing can look like in this country. So we're all up in arms with all these movements everywhere trying to figure out how do we fix this? All the while there's this guy named Tommy Norman that has fixed it. And you know what he's done. He's a normal guy who decided to get out of his car and have conversations with people on his beat. How simple is that. Then there's Anne Mallam, who just released today, who started a running club for the homeless, and that may sound ridiculous, but believe it or not, there's seventy five hundred people with jobs and how's because of that? And then you talk about Rodney, I mean the guy mos lawns for people who can't cut grass and basically started off just saw somebody one day who needed their grass cut, who couldn't do it, and he cut the grass and now he's got all these kids he's mentoring and teaching them how to be philanthropic and go help people that And I don't know the numbers, but it's insane. This guy has hundreds of thousands of kids across the country mowing lawns for free because it's the right thing to do for people who can't cut the grass. He's a great stories. He'll be coming up in you know, a couple of weeks his stories. But yeah, he's a guy, And you're right, it's there are thousands of these stories and the problem is our press wants division to say and so we don't get fed this information. And again, these aren't hallmark Nikody Nakatie pretty stories. There's there's drama all of these people's lives because they're like us. They're normal, but they're redemptive and hopefully inspirational. And so argument, I want to stop you there. You just said something that really speaks to me. Hey, y'all, this is Alie Michelle. I'm a conservative social media influencer that has been censored by big tech. So I broke away from the restrictions and started a podcast called pillow Talk with Ali Michelle. My show is a space to have real conversations about the issues that impact our everyday lives without the fear of being canceled by the big tech tyrants. Subscribe to Pillow Talk with Alie Michelle and FCB podcast on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you getch podcasts. That's Ali, Ali, Come check on my show. I'll see you there. He said, they're they're normal, They're just like us. And I think this is another issue that a lot of people have with how can I make a difference, Like I get letters every day. I talk a lot about race relations on this show, and I get letters every day from people who are like I want to make a difference, but I can't get in on this conversation. It's so I tried to talk to my neighbor, but it just turned into an argument. Or people at work are judging me because I voted this way or right said this, And you know what do I do? And I always tell people like, you don't need to you don't need to be worrying about how do I phrase this thing so that the person next to me can hear me in a way that's going to change their mind and change their lives. And a lot of people like that. Also, they think, well, I'll have the conversation, but I won't do the thing because I'm not good enough to serve other people. I'm not good enough to be like who am I? I'm a terrible person. I drink too much, or I cussed too much, or you know I did that. I hurt someone really badly that one time and it was the wrong thing to do. Or I wasn't raised in a great atmosphere. There's so many things that keep people. Or I'm too wealthy. I hear this a lot too. I feel guilty. I'm middle class, I'm upper class. I you know, who's gonna want to hear anything from me or be patronized by me? But that is the thing that prevents so many people from serving. To talk a little bit about that, about the idea that like, you weren't a perfect guy. You grew up in this area, this home where okay, you said, your mom have five different husbands, your dad left. That's a rough haul for a young man to try to figure out manhood on his own or find those places. And yet you still used that experience not being a perfect man. You know, you weren't I'm going to assume I don't know you that well. Bill, I'm gonna assume it when you walked on that football field, you weren't a saint, you didn't have a life free of sin, and yet you chose to do it anyway. You don't have to be perfect, you don't even have to be that great of a person. You just have to be willing. None of us are that great yet of a person. I mean, every one of us work in the mirror with nobody else around, and we know exactly what we're staring at. Yeah, and you know you said you cut too much or drink too much. I mean, I'm gonna have a day a glass of wine here in about twenty minutes. Yeah, yeah, as soon as we wrap up. I'm waiting for us wrap up so I can go get my do that. And here's the thing. After the Academy Awards, I got the same questions, which was so inspiring. What you did? I so bad want to get involved. I just don't know how. And the truth is, through my book and my speeches and the fifty thousand Q and as I've done, I have really come up with answers for most of everything. Anybody asked me. I really have tried to think about the questions I've been asked and think about the things we're talking about and put out really common sense, good nuts and bolts answers. But the one I never really got an answer for was, you know, how do I do it? Of course, step out of your comfort zone, you know, step across the street. But I get people's inhibitions. I get people's insecurities, I get people's fears, I get all of that. An army of normal folks is my answer, Garret, and army in all folks is my answer. Because here's the deal. We're going to have people on the show that are every race you can imagine, every political belief you can imagine, every religion you can imagine. And there's people right, you know, I'm just gonna say it. We released a week ago today and by Thursday we were the number ten podcasts in the world on Apple. Wow. We're number one in society and culture. I'm not saying that to pride. What I'm saying is those people that are joining this thing, they don't They're not all the same. There's some everybody, right, And so the answer to the question is, here's a safe place. Here's a safe place to hear stories of all kinds of different people, from all kinds of walks of life. Some you'll identify with, some you won't. Some will inspire you to do something to get involved because it matches an ability do you have. Some will just be interesting and entertaining. But if you stay in it long enough, you're going to hear things that you think, oh, I can do that. And if that person that Bill just introduced me to, who's also broken and lost and did all this and despite it, if they can do it, I can do it. And oh, by the way, there's this entire community called an army of normal folks that stands at They're ready to help you, to bounce ideas off of you. For everything, I, my producers, and every single gust at the end of every episode leave our personal contact information so that if anybody is motivated and wants to do something that we've talked about, all they gotta is to reach out to us. So your question is the same question that I got asked all the time, and an army and all of folks is my first valid answer. Join up, listen, become part of it, and you will have this community that you can draw on when you see a place of need, you feel like your talents might fit it, and to get for the hump and go do it and again. Can you imagine what our society could evolve to if every single one of us took a couple of days a year to just serve somebody in need to do, to use their talents to do something in their community. We literally could change this entire narrative that if you don't look like me, think like me, act like me, or pray like me, you're enemy. We can change that by simply serving one another and creating this you know, proverbial army of normal folks just seeing need and fill in it. So that's the golden rule. It's the golden rule, isn't it? The word? That's what the word says. I like taking a church on this show all the time. What are the two most God himself? What are the two most important rules God? We have these commandments, we have these other rules. What are the two most important? Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. If we only followed those two rules, we wouldn't need all the other rules that we have. Yeah, I'm a Christian, I will say that, but you don't have to be a Christian to understand love your neighbor as yourself. That can go us every anything. I mean, brilliant. It's almost like the creator of the universe thought it up. Yeah, and you know what what I'm talking about in terms of army and normal folks and all of it. It's it's almost too obvious. I mean, nothing I'm saying is you know, rocket surgery or brain sides or whatever you want to call it. I mean, it's just it's just it's getting back to common sense fundamentals and tenants of servant leadership. Yeah. Bill, but let me push back on you on this. But a lot of people going to say, I don't have the time. So I don't have the time. My life is so busy. I've got kids, I've got sports. You're an athlete, you know you've got sports, and you feel like you're pulled in all these different directions. And I just know there are so many people listening right now. Well, Bill, you have the time. You said your business mejnas some comfortable, so you've got the time. There's a lot of people out there who are going to say I don't have the time all right? First of all, when I started in Manassas, my kids were three, four, five, and six. I had a two year old business. I started with seventeen thousand dollars on a wing and a prayer. I had a wife that I loved, and I was starting a business, ran it for eight, nine, ten hours a day and on weekends, and still coached and continued to coach my own kids. So there's time. I want to tell you something on the time thing. Pretty much everybody knows me personally knows this. But Kimmins Wilson. There's a guy from Memphis. He's passed recently. His family is still here. He took his six seven kids on the road one day back in the sixties, and on the way to the beach, they had to stop. There weren't highways everywhere, and every place they stopped, you didn't know if you had a tea, be didn't know if you had a pool. He did, and he hated it, and he thought, you know what, it is stupid. Everybody should know when they see a sign and they go to a place, what you're gonna get. And so he started this little thing called Holiday Inn and he built the first one in Memphis, Dorothy his wife, and Nit the curtains and the bedspreads. Real story. And it developed into Holiday Inn which is now Marriott Hilty. Every place you think of that all started from Kevins Wilson and Memphis called Holiday Inns. You know, it used to be really nice, independently owned high end hotels. And then the Bates Motel roadside, that's what it was. He created the Hampton in the Marriott, the Hilton. That old thing sold. It made bunch of money. The family has been filling Tropic, They've invested, they do great. All of this is to tell you I had lunch with mister Wilson about three years before he died, and literally I was at his FBO, his private airport, and there was a leird jet sitting like right there, and when he finished lunch, he was about to hop on his plane and go somewhere. And you know, I asked him, you know, you know, Lord, have mercy. I'd love to measure any of your success one day, you know, give me one thing. And he said, all right, work half the day. And I'm looking at this jet and knowing I'm in his airport and all he has. And I'm like, Okay, if I can do that work and half the day, I'm in. He said, yeah, Bill, if you want to be successful, just work half the day. It doesn't matter if it's the first twelve hours or the second twelve hours. That's great and right that. I'm sorry because the truth is we have the time. The truth what do we value? What do we value for the use of our time? And I genuinely believe all of us have a have a talent and adult and a passion and if we're if we're inspired to employ our discipline and be passionate about it to exact some measure of change and someone that's not as fortunate as us, not only can we find the time that will be the most useful use of our time. And the payoff is this, you will get fifty times more out of it. The what you put into it'll change you. I know my experience and services have changed me, and they've obviously changed your life. I know there are a lot of people looking at this now. I laughed at your road trip story because I just did. I just did a podcast with author Andrew Malcolm, who's turning eighty this week and we did a whole podcast on road tripping, and he told road trip stories from when he wrote and so he told me the history of the Howard Johnson Inn and the history of the Interstate Highway. So what you said just been in so great what the conversation I was having with Andrew and the development of the Great American road trip over the years. It's a great episode. But you know, I think there are a lot I loved what you had to say about like what it's what you value. And I also think there are a lot of people who still might be going, Okay, I'm gonna go find this army of normal folks. Podcasts Nida listens. Sounds like it's going to be interesting. But I cannot start a running club for homeless people. I cannot start a thing for foster families. And I think the thing is is like people don't realize when you run an organization like that, when you run a charity organization, money you can find because there's people with this America. There's people with money all over the place. Money you can find. Time it's so hard to find. And if you are just the woman who's going to pack a box of oranges every Friday to take to the boys on the football field while they practice on a weekend. It's something, but it's something I want to tell you about that because it's interesting. And Anne's episode just went live today and I hope people listen to us will go to it in context of what you just said, which is, yeah, you may not be able to run an organization with a six and a half million dollar budget and seventy five hundred people and fifteen cities like Back on my Feet that Anne's running. But let me just explain something to you. She was twenty six years old in Philly running down the street and saw some homeless people four or five fifty times as she passed me one day that he yelled out her, all you do is run around all the time. And she said, as all you do is sit on that porch all day. And they started a banter, and she went over there and got some shoes and she took nine guys running. That's it. That's how it started. She wasn't the CEO of anything. There wasn't anything called Back on my Feet. This wasn't some big thing. She literally was passionate about running. She knew through the addictions of her father that the things that made running makes sense were you couldn't shoot your steps. You had to. You had to, you had to give it all you had, you had to be committed to it. When the pain got going and you joined out tough, you just kept going. And those fundamentals are what was lacking people. Maybe they were homeless, and so she taught them to run. She taught them to overcome the pain, to stay committed, to be on time, and then eight years later developed into what she's talking about is back on my feet. But the whole point is you're right. You may not do that. But all she did at twenty six years old was that some homeless guys to go run. That's how hard that was. Because she loved running. She was passionate about it, and she believed in the lessons of taught. We all have abilities, we all have passions. It doesn't take that much to just share it with a few people, and you never know where it's gonna go once you take that first step. Bill, I could sit and talk to you all night, but we both have drinks to get to So tell everybody before we go how they can find out. First of all, let us know about your book, and then let us know where we can the name of the podcast and where we can find that, and all the parts the shameless plug Undefeated you can find on etlix or wherever the book is Against the Grain sold at Amazon or wherever you buy books. My website is coach Bill Coourtney dot com. You can follow me on at I Am coach Bill and all that stuff. Most importantly, the Army of Normal Folks is normal Folks dot us www dot normal folks dot us. You can join, and it's on iHeart, Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast from and just download it and let it upload. It's one one episode a week in three parts, so you can listen to part one, two and three throughout the week, and then on Tuesday there'll be a new profile and a new story Part one, two and three, and you'll get one every week and just listen, Just listen with an open mind, be entertained, and maybe you might hear something you can do to be inspired and join the Army of Normal Folks. I love it, and maybe and maybe you'll find something that you know. If you can't do it, replicate it where you are. You'll support the people who are doing it. Bill, thank you so much for joining us. It's really cool what you're doing over there. It's exactly in my wheelhouse. I'll be praying for you. Guys. Please come back to the show and let us know more about cool stories you have down the road, and we'll we'll keep updated with you as we move forward. Appreciate I will join you anytime, and kudos to what you do as well. Thanks for having I had a great time. All right, everybody, that is just listen to yourself with Kura Davis this week. I am your host, of course, Kia Davis. You can find me at real Kia Davis on Twitter. Sign up for my substract just Kia Davis dot subsect dot com. If you haven't subscribed to this podcast yet, please do that and don't forget about my other podcast, a Very Merry podcast with a Millia Hamilton where we review cheesy Christmas Hallmark movies and uh so. If you just want to get away from the politics, that's a great podcast to listen to until we meet again. Everyone, Every once in a while, remember just stop and listen to yourself day that we won't said, and we won't say all we gotta does, no want get to tatto with just gonna be okay day that we won't and we won't say all we got it. No one can take that away. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network, where real talk lifts. Visit us online at FCB podcasts dot com.
