Now this is the FCB Podcast Network. A brand soda day that we won't said, and we won't say all we gotta does no one get take datto in? D is gonna be okay? A day that we won't said and we won't said all we gotta does no one get takedato? And don't bad it is don't be okay. Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Just Listen to Yourself with Kia Davis. I am your host, Cia Davis, and this is the podcast where we take hot topics, hot buen issues, and we discuss the talking points on those issues, and we draw those talking points out all the way to their logical conclusion. And this week we are going to engage some of those muscles. We're going to break down some talking points. We're going to break down the Trump indictment. I did read the whole indictment. I'm not going to read the whole thing today, but we are going to read parts of it together so that you know what's in it. If you don't know already, I know you've probably heard it reported on the news, but reading it is it's a different experience. It's definitely one of the more entertaining legal documents I've read. It's not boring, Like it's not like the Georgia voter law or the Texas Voto law or the other documents that I've read on this show. If I was going to read one, it should be this one. But those documents I read to you to prove, you know, so that you would know how benign they were. And by the way, just thinking about those documents, Texas, Georgia voter law, all of the anks and rage surrounding those, all of the accusations, what has happened since then? I think this is a great time to go back and look. Go back to that episode and my predictions came true, which is exactly nothing. Nothing happened except people were encouraged to get to the polls. Except people felt safer about their votes, Their votes felt more secure. I think I think that's why you saw the increase in people at the polls in Georgia specifically. Now you could say, well, yeah, people were going to the polls because they were so concerned that their votes were going to be suppressed because of all the news. But Georgia has been through two election cycles since that has passed, and both have been very well attended. So regardless of the reason why Georgia voters are going to the polls, the fact is that they're going to the polls and the opposite of what the mainstream media was predicting has happened. Their votes have not been suppressed. There have been more voters than ever and they've been allowed to vote has predicted. So it was not the rolling back of civil rights four hundred years. And isn't it interesting or funny? Not funny ha ha, but isn't it notable? And this is something I wish more people would take a breath to notice. Isn't it notable that none of the doom and gloom predictions came true? And yet at the time when you talk to people, it is like it's number one on their mind. It's creating knots in their stomach. Like I talked to my liberal friends about it, and they were just you know, it was the most outrageous thing that they could think of. It was the most important issue of their time, and it didn't even there was no logic around it. There wasn't even no logical thought around it, Like yeah, okay, we're sitting here in twenty twenty or twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three, and this is modern America. We really don't endorse discrimination in voting anymore, even though I know that that's a fun talking point and a fancy talking point, We really don't. But it's the hyperbolic expressions I think that validate us, which is why the news is so validating these days. Right. The news has figured out that we like our insecurities and our angst anxiousness to be validated. We like that. I know I like that, even just as a wife. If my husband isn't paying what I feel is appropriate attention to my panickiness, now I'm going to point to everything that proves that I'm right to be panicked. Right, So, if I'm like, oh, I think it's going to rain tomorrow, we're not going to have our party, and he's saying, no, look it's predicted to be sunny, Well look at it now, the clouds are out, Or Jennifer, we looked in the almanac and told me that forty years ago on this day it did brain and I want to have my anxiety validated. We all want that. I think we're living in a society right now where people are demanding to have their personal anxieties validated. So the news has figured that out. It's figured out that's what we want, that's what we'll turn on, that's what we'll click on. So they validate all of our fears instead of reporting on the actual facts of the story. Which is why I did the very boring task of reading those bills out loud so that no one had an excuse to not know what was in them. And now, as predicted, nothing bad has happened, and yet the mainstream media has moved on. This is what Rush Limbaugh always called affectionately, the drive by media. This is exactly the definition. This is exactly his definition. They pull up in a car, they put their guns out the window, they spray gunfire across the playground, across the park, and then they drive away while the victims are still bleeding, and they never come back to see if everyone's okay. So that was just a little sidebar. But I don't know, maybe every once in a while we have to remind ourselves that we were right. We have to remind ourselves that this controversy has passed, or that controversy has passed and nothing has happened. I mean the Parental Rights and Education Bill that passed, otherwise known by the mainstream media's Don't Say Gay Bill, another bill which I read out loud. I did read the whole thing on the podcast because it wasn't very long and it was very clear what it was about. Didn't mention any words identifying sexual behavior or identity at all. It didn't mention any of that at all. It was very clear what the bill was. So now sure it's still a joke. Like I was talking to about Liberal BF the other day and he was like, Oh, I can't go to Florida. It's terrible in Florida right now. He lives in California with me. I'm like, Florida is fine. People are what do you mean it's terrible, Like it's just thing people say. It's things that people say out loud, but they don't mean it. And yet it goes out there and people accept it as gospel because it validates their anxieties. There's nothing going on in Florida that isn't going on anywhere else. People are traveling, people are going to school, people are going to work, people are going to breakfast, They're paying their bills or walking their dogs. Florida is the same Florida that it's been today that it was ten years ago, except with more people. People are moving to Florida, not away from Florida. People are moving away from California, the supposed liberal oasis that in which life is perfect. People are moving away from here to Florida. Like, I get what he meant by that. He was expressing anxiety about what he's seeing in the news, so I understand that, but it wasn't a ballid expression. It wasn't true. There's nothing going on in Florida that would prevent him or anyone else from going there, living there, having a good time. I don't know if you've been to Miami lately, it's full of the gays. They're doing just fine. So in that way, and I wanted to pick apart the Trump indictment today I read through it. It is very interesting, and I do think that there is a lot of space here to talk about what's acceptable versus what's not, to dig into our own biases. I think there's a lot of space here, So let's get into this. Before we get started, I want to encourage you to sign up for my substack. Just Kia Davis dot substack dot com, and of course I would love to remind you, if you haven't just subscribed to this podcast already, please subscribe and drop a rating in a review that helps a lot. To give me five ours and drop a little review, even if the review is just I love the dulcet tones of Kira's melodic, peaceful, not at all annoying voice, if even if it's something like that. All right, So, first thing I noticed, or I asked myself, I should say, when I started reading this indictment, is this as serious as it sounds? As y'all know, I've been quite disconnected from mainstream media lately as I've been going through my own personal stuff. So all I've seen about the indictments or heard around me on TV and on the internet is just doom and gloom and very serious. And this is extremely serious. And naturally, the progressive left in the media is ecstatic that Trump has has been indicted for something they've been This is the other thing we need to consider as we move, as we analyze this, as we do our best to be objective about this indictment. It's not like how we we got Trump on this one thing that's he's been that he's a murderer. You know a lot of people say Clintons are the murderers. They can just get the Clinton's on one murder. Wow, It's not like there's one thing that everyone's like, we're going to get Trump for this. This is I can't believe he's president when he did when he murdered that woman in cold blood. And it's not like that. The progressives in the Democrat Party particularly have been trying to indict Trump on something anything since he won twenty sixteen. Anything, And so that's the other issue I have with this indictment. It just seems like they've been throwing stuff against the wall just to see what sticks. And when you're in politics, if people are trying that enough against you, eventually something will stick. I understand people were really upset with Sarah Pala when she quit the governor's office. She left it half. I think she had two years left in her term or something after her failed run with McCain and a lot of conservatives particularly, they criticized her. They called it quitting, and obviously she did quit, but I found her explanation to be completely satisfactory, and knowing what I know, now about what it is transpiring in the Trump indictments, I have a more clear understanding of what she meant at the time. She was like, the office can't handle this much legal scrutiny. It's just NonStop. I can't do the job. The people around me can't do their jobs because they're having to to pull focus from serving the people to worrying about these investigations or indictments or stuff like that. And she's like, it's just such a huge distress action. The business of the people isn't getting done now. Maybe she was making that up. Maybe she just was tired. Maybe she was going through a really hard personal time and thought that was what was best for her family. I don't know, but I found and do find in light of what I've learned from this indictment, I've found that explanation pretty satisfactory. I get it, because if you're in politics, eventually something's going to stick because politics are dirty. This is the one thing I do not understand about my liberal and progressive friends. I don't understand you. I know I was once like this too, but I just can't hardly remember what this was like. But I don't understand how you just completely and implicitly trust the government, except when it's government you don't like, or when it's people in the government you don't like them, You're like, you can't trust government. I don't understand what the difference is. If everybody's swimming in the same sludge, isn't everyone dirty in some way? I did ask my friend this when we were having this discussion about how you can't go to Florida it's not safe, and I was like, and he loves Obama, And I was like, you, we're from them, We're from the Midwest. Like we're both Chicago people. We both lived in Gary, Like we're from there. We know what politics are like. Are you telling me that you honestly think that Obama never did anything? He never got involved in the in the mud, he never made a bad deal, he never fudged the system or got involved in dirty politics at all. Do you mean to tell me that that man went from being a junior senator to the President of the United States without getting his hands dirty at all? Is this what you believe? And when I put it like that, I think he was like, well, no, no, I don't And I don't think he really leaves that. But to say it out loud is a different thing. And well he was like, well, no, no, But I do think that he it was begrudging and that he really did his best to stay away from the dirt that he was just to sum up what my friend said, basically, that Obama was above it. You know that he was a little more high minded. But even that admission is more mature thinking than a lot of people, because even he in that moment is admitting, well, yes, all politicians get their hands dirty at some point if you get high enough. And that's all we need to acknowledge starting this conversation. And I think everybody everybody will agree. I think what because I'm list I'm hearing some of you out there right now. I'm hearing some of you listening out now and going, well, yeah, you're saying exactly what my friend said. Yeah, I would agree. But some things are worse than others. Sure, there's some things, you know, only do some insider trading or you know, yeah, you have a conversation with somebody that maybe you shouldn't have or whatever. You know, you trade a favor for a vote, like, we get that. But some things are different. Okay, maybe some things are. We're going to talk about that. But it's your butt that I'm interested in. That sounded. Should I get Ryo to bleep that part? Yes. The theme of this episode is Kira is interested in your butts. It's the butt that tells me you understand what I'm saying here. It's the butt that tells me you admit that politics are dirty no matter what, and everyone gets their hands dirty. In some way, we can break down what's good and what's bad, what's right and what's wrong. How to engauge that who gets punished? But you can only come there's only two ways to think about this, people, So you need to decide which arena of logic you're in. Does your logic tell you that, Well, there are some people in government who are totally good, and they never there and I'm talking higher office now, there are some people in the upper echelons of our government who have never had an untoward conversation, never ever engaged in something illegal, even like bringing their own cell phone into the White House. I mean illegal covers so many things. That's the other thing. And we're going to talk about this in the indictment as well. You either believe that there are some people of some political persuasion who are perfectly above everything and would never get in the mud. Or you believe that everybody gets a little dirty, and there are varying degrees. I think those are the only two sides you can come down on. I think if you're rational, you would come down on the side like, everyone's a little dirty, you have to be, you have to be. And the definitely of dirty is you know, that's very subjective too, because there are all kinds of ways, as I just said, to break the law. Will I be labored this long enough? Let's get into the indictment here. So the indictment accuses Trump of a few things. I'll read the first couple of indictments on the list, all right. Number one defendant, Donald J. Trump was the forty fifth President of the United States of America. He held office from January twenty, twenty seventeen to January twenty, twenty twenty one. As president, Trump has had lawful ass access to the most sensitive classified documents and national defense information gathered and owned by the United States government, including information from the agencies that comprise the United States Intelligence Community and the US Department of Defense. Over the course of his presidency, Trump gathered newspapers, press clippings, letters, notes, cards, photographs, official documents, and other materials in card board boxes that he kept in the White House. Among the materials Trump stored in his boxes were hundreds of classified documents. The classified documents Trump stored in his boxes included information regarding defense and weapons capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries, United States nuclear programs, potential vulnerable vulnerabilities of the US and its allies to military attack, and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack. At twelve pm on January twenty, twenty twenty one, Trump ceased to be president. As he departed the White House, Trump caused scores of boxes, many of which contained classified documents, to be transported to the Mara Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, where he maintained his residence. Trump was not authorized to possess or retain those classified documents. And then it goes on to say that Marlago is a country club. There are a lot of people coming and going, people in and out, so this wasn't a secure location. Now here's an interesting little tidbit on two occasions in twenty twenty one, Trump showed classified documents to others as follows. In July twenty twenty one, at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, during an audio recorded meeting with a writer, a publisher, and two members of his staff, none of whom possessed a security clearance, Trump showed and described a plan of attack the Trump said was prepared for him by the Department of Defense and a senior military official. Trump told the individuals that the plan was highly confidential and secret. Trump also said, as president, I could have declassified it, and now I can't. You know, but this is still a secret. In August or September of twenty twenty one, at the Bedminster Club, Trump showed a representative of his Political Action Committee who did not possess a security clearance, as a classified map related to a military operation, and told the representative he should not be showing it to the representative and that the representative could not get too close. I think about your stop here and give my thoughts as I read these things, so I don't get lost. So this is what I was thinking. There's more in this indictment that breaks down those conversations a little bit more and I'll have a few more things to read to you about those. They have some testimony and some audio recordings. But what I just read to you right there is really one of the more serious charges in the indictment, and it's really what the press is resting their case on this idea that hey, he's showing nuclear secrets battle plans to people national security because the other stuff you'll even notice I read as I read it said there are boxes and boxes of newspaper clippings, cards, personal notes. And if you look at the pictures, the indictment includes pictures of where the boxes were kept, and they were They weren't in safe storage. They were just like in the ballroom that wasn't being used at Marlago, and they were in the hallway of his personal residence. And there's a lot of talk back and forth about getting something from the boxes looking in the boxes, but when the boxes were knocked over, a lot of it is just news paper clippings and personal notes and cards. Stuff that was classified because everything was classified when you're the president, but stuff that you and I would take from our office when we leave. Now I'm not saying that was all this stuff. It clearly wasn't, according to the indictment, but a lot of it was. It was like, okay, anyways, getting back to this statement that Trump made, like where he's showing this person's battle plan and he's saying, I shouldn't be showing you this. I could have declassified it as president, but I didn't. Here's what I think is happening, and it's evidence later on in this indictment. Trump did what every president did when he left office. He took his personal items, he took some things that he thought were important to him, and he left in the knowledge that the norm is that this is what happens, this is what everybody does, and you don't have to declassify everything just to take it. When he left and there was all the hullabaloo and he realized just how big the effort was to remove him from office, he regretted not declassifying a lot of information because he realized that they were going to use a lot of stuff against him that he because so much is classified, that he would not be able to refute. He would not be able to refute the information because he doesn't have the original documents anymore. He doesn't have the original plans or the original conversations. I think he took a lot of stuff with him in hopes that he would keep it safe from being altered or being used in a way that he couldn't respond to because he's bound by these classified laws. So when he says, this is classified, I shouldn't be showing you. Why was he showing the guy this planet. It was a potential battle plan for an invasion of an antagonistic country. It was a theoretical invasion. Well, later on in the indictment, you realize that what Trump was doing was proving that he actually never had an intention to invade this country. And keep in mind, even the indictment and self is saying he's sharing this openly. It's not like he's going like, hey, this is so secret, I'm selling you the secret. He's saying like, this is proof that I had no intention of doing this, but I can't show the world this proof because it's classified. This is proof I did not want to invade Country A. And it's actually what it's called this indictment, Country A. I did not want to invade Country A. But my State Department guys were accusing me of that. They were they were leaking to the press that yes, I'm a nuclear maniac. I want to go and blow up the whole world, and I can't wait to make war. They were leaking that to the press, and so they worked up this battle plan for me. They worked it up knowing that that battle plan would go into declassified, would go into classified documents, and that would always be sitting next to Trump's name. Trump didn't ask for the battle plan. He was saying, no, no, no, I have absolutely no intention of invading this country, And the State Department was going, well, if you did, we're not we don't totally trust you. We think you will, so if you did, we're going to make sure you're ready to do it. So that's the whole the gist of and it's later on in the indictment when you really break down that conversation a little bit more. The indictment is forty four pages. By the way, that's exactly what was happening here. I found that to be very interesting. A lot of the testimony that you get here that is supposed to be very incriminating is Trump going, I shouldn't declassified this, but it's not to classify or I shouldn't be showing you this, But this is how they were working against me while I was in office. They were accusing me of things and then giving me the plans for those things, and me going no, no, no, no, I don't want to do this, And they were accusing me and giving me the plans. And now it looks like I was asking for the plans. And because so much of those communications are classified, Trump would have no recourse to exonerate himself from accusations of being a warmonger. I think that's why he took a lot of what he took. Reading this indictment, it seems clear to me it's the same FBI under j Edgar Hoover that tried to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr. To commit suicide that is now targeting its other political opponents. And so this isn't a partisan point. I just think it's important to see that. But I think that part of my view is bureaucracy itself is part of the problem. So at the local level, you've got local police and you've got local prosecutors. You don't have a giant investigative bureaucracy sitting in between. At the federal level, you have US marshals, which as best I can tell, has not been at all politicized agency. They just carry out their responsibilities. And then you've got a Department of Justice, which I think has some problems of its own, but that's the prosecutor. You don't need this giant bureaucracy sitting in between. And you know what the irony is, it's still the j Edgar Hoover Building of the FBI. It's literally the name of the people reporting you every day. Check out our interview with Republican presidential candidate Vec Ramaswami, episode three fifty eight of the Outlaws radio show Find Us wherever you get your podcast. That's out Laws, the Outlaws Radio Show, an FCB podcast. So the endiament goes on on page three to say that, you know, there were some other problems here which are problematic, which they have some proof that Trump asked his attorney to hide documents, to deny, to lie to the FBI, ask other people to lie to the FBI about what was in the boxes. Now that's the other thing, though, These boxes not secret sitting out for everyone to see. And again that you could find that disturbing, or you could find that sort of proof that nobody really thought that this was information that was going to endanger the United States. These were files from his old job. Now it's clear to me that there were some things in those files that the president really did not want people to see. But for the most part, it looks like the typical stuff I think any president would take with them. It's just when you're a president, everything is classified. If you write a note to your wife asking her to get you aspirin, that's classified. So you get wishes, birthday wishes and gifts and anniversary greetings from rulers across history. That's going into your family's historical record. That's the stuff you pass down to your kids and your grandkids and your great grandkids. Like I'm sure a lot of outgoing presidents have this stuff with them. We know they do, and it's all classified. They all could be indicted on the same thing. One very clever thing that this indictment does page nine, it uses Trump's statements against him. It breaks down some of the things that he said when he was running for office. Oh my gosh, the candidate made promises that they couldn't keep, but they use his own statements against him, and they have a list of things that he has said about confidential documents, not just to remind you what was going on in twenty sixteen. We're worried about Hillary's server and the fact that it was private and that she had it at home. It's classified. She should not have it, and it had all kinds of information on it, probably a lot of illegal information on it, and that was an issue. So conservatives were pressing that, Republicans were pressing that. And here's what Trump said on August eighteen. These are all from twenty sixteen. August eighteen. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be ab the law. On September six we also need to fight this battle by collecting intelligence and then protecting protecting our classified secrets. We can't have someone in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified. On September seventh, one of the first things we must do to enforce all classification rules and to enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information. On September nineteenth, we also need the best protection of classified information. And on November third, Trump said, service members here in North Carolina have risked their lives to acquire classified intelligence to protect our country. So you know, he that's pretty damning there. He is saying, well, no one's above the law. We have to protect classified information. Do you believe that or do you not believe that? Should that? Is that a blanket statement? Now, this show is about nuance. If there's anything I learned, particularly when I was running for a smaller office for school board, I understand that politics are very nuanced. Yeah, no one should be above the law, but everyone's above the law. When you serve in Washington, DC, you really are. You do sit above the law. You make the law. Everyone in Congress is above the law. You cannot engage in insider trading. That's against the law. You'll get a nice ankle bracelet or a trip to a white collar facility for insider trading. But Congress can engage in insider trading. They are literally above that law. They can and do engage in it. How many of them do you think cheat on their taxes and wait like they all have it. They're in DC, you have a connection in the irs or you know they're above the law and that in a way that you are not they're all above the law, so of course we know. So then you have to decide which laws can I tolerate them being above? And this is everybody, This is everyone. I know, this is so hard. We're all I know you all love your butts. I know you're looking at your butts right now. Those butts are so good. Does butts mean something? But you have to try to put your butts aside because I know he gonna say, yeah, but you know, my guy, but or my gal. Well no, let's look at this objectively. Let's put my guy, my gal, my party out of this. They're all doing the same thing. And I hate to sound so libertarian about It's my pet peep with libertarians or I feel like a lot of y'all libertarians are just you just take that middle of the road position and then it's like, well, everybody gets to be a bad guy, which means I get to be the good guy. It's a point of contention for me. And why one of the reasons why, even though I have many libertarian tendencies, I've never considered myself a libertarian and can't. But so I hate to sound libertarian about it. But everybody does it, you know, what I mean, Come outside yourself for a moment, take a deep breath, try to be a little objective about it. Understand, this is government, This is how it works. This is what happens when people get power in their hands. Think of how your postal worker or the meter made exercises their little tiny bit of power in your life. It's probably the only little bit of power they have. It's the only place where what they say is important and matters and affects people. So sometimes people wield that power unfairly, right, or they take advantage of that power to take advantage of you. You know that to be true. Just what the meter made and that's just the person at the bottom of the ladder. Do you think that that person, as they're climbing the ladder gets to be a better person? Do you think that's how that works? Oh, everybody, get your heads out of your butts. What was I even saying? So, yeah, this is what Trump was doing at the time. That's what he was running on. So this is coming back to bite him in his boot. Now, there are a lot of people out there, I think who would say, Okay, Kira Well Trump was twenty sixteen, Lock her up, Lock her up. That's what Trump was complaining about, the same thing, that Hillary had this server and it had classified things on it and it wasn't that big of a deal, and Kira, she deleted everything. Actually, in this indictment there is testimony, not testimony, transcription from audiologs of Trump basically saying, hey, she deleted everything and she was fine, and she just said there was nothing on there but schedules for the gym appointments and massages. So it's just her personal scheduling. So it's like, Kira, that's what he was accusing her of and calling for her arrest for, so tip for tat, this is just karma, all right, fair enough, and I I think that's fair. I think that's fair. That's not the argument you were making at the time, right when he was talking about blocking Hillary up, and then it was unfair. Then it wasn't right. But now it's like, well, if that's what she did and that's what he did, hey, okay, great, And that's where we start getting into the nuance of the nuances here. If we admit that everyone in government is doing something shady at some time, if you throw if you throw enough spaghetti at the wall, one noodle's gonna stick. If we all admit that, then who do we indict first, Who do we charge first, Who's most deserving of being charged. Here's how it seems to me work in government. There's an implicit understanding that some things are just off limits. If the president wants to take a box of newspaper clippings and even some of the communications that he had with certain people during his tenure, then we sort of looked the other way on that, don't we. We did it when the Clintons did it, even when the Clintons were leaping office. They they have information from the National Archives that they took that no one ever, And to be fair, conservatives were righteously upset about it, right, even if those weren't documents that had a lot of meaning, even though they were classified. Conservatives were completely self righteous about it. And the same for Hillary's server. And when talking about Donald Trump, there are a lot of conservatives who tend to be like, well, yeah, but that's different, right, It's always different when it's your guy. So, to be fair, conservatives were being as self righteous about the Clintons doing it then or Obama doing it then as liberals are being self righteous about Trump, now, that is for sure. But as crazy and sad and pathetic and tragic as it sounds, this kind of is how the upper echelonce of government works, of anything works. Really. There's a lot of deal making, you guys. There's a lot of turning the cheek looking away. Hollywood. It's like this in Hollywood too, there's a lot of Okay, we agree that this is the thing, we just kind of don't talk about. We kind of everyone does it. We look away because otherwise it's just complete chaos around here all the time. So is it right? No? Is it done? Yes? So I guess if we're being objective, Okay, fine, it's it's not right. Someone's got to start the chain of righting the wrongs. Why not start with Donald Trump as opposed to somebody else. Of course, we understand that this is there's a lot of political motivation behind this, but why not? But okay, why not? Then I would love to see this indictment come down for Trump and something come down for Hillary or something come down for Obama. Like, then let's do it, let's have at it. Hell, let's go get Carter. But that's not going to happen because that's the real problem with this indictment is that it is politically motivated. It's not about writing wrongs, because if it were, we could right the wrongs of many other living, important politicians. And I think that's what happened with Trump screaming about I'll lock her up, lock her up. And that was fun. It was really fun, and it was really exciting to think that for like one second, that maybe one major politician would get their come upance. But here's what happens with anything. When you get on the inside, it's always different. Everyone thinks they can do their boss's job better than their boss until they get to be the boss, and then you realize that being the boss is hard and it comes with a lot of other issues. Right, everyone one does this. You think you know how to be a good parent until you become a parent, and then you realize you don't know anything. You think you know what you would do as president, and then you become president and you realize, wow, there's a whole machine working here, and I just showed up. And by the way, Donald Trump, he was not a cog in the machine. He was a pebble. So when he came in, he was a foreign body. He was not wanted by anybody, and I mean anybody, even the Republicans there because in the swamp, you know the rest. Hey, y'all, this is Alie Michelle. I'm a conservative social media influencer that has been censored by big tech. So I broke away from the restrictions and started a podcast called pillow Talk with Ali Michelle. My show is a space to have real conversations about the issues that impacked our everyday lives without the fear of being canceled by the big tech tyrants. Subscribe to Pillow Talk with Alie Michelle and FCB podcast on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you getch podcasts. That's Ali Ali. Come check on my show. I'll see you there. Page sixteen. That plan of attack. Here's the conversation that was recorded between Trump and a staffer that he was talking to. Now, again, this isn't Trump going I'm gonna sell this information and I'm gonna give it to the Chinese and then they're gonna put aside ten million for the big guy. It's not that it's Trump talking to someone and I think making from what's not included in this conversation that there I bet if we heard the entire conversation, we would hear this idea of Trump trying to exonerate himself from something, which isn't exactly clear, but I suspect it's the idea that they were trying. His own state department was trying to set him up to look like a warmonger, and he didn't want that. He didn't want to invade any countries. He didn't want to do anything like that. And then they were like, okay, but if you did, here's a plan. Oh no, I'm sorry, I forgot. This isn't just a conversation with a staffer. This is a conversation with a writer and a publisher. So he's talking to somebody about his story getting published. So this is definitely not a quote classified conversation, even though this is being included as a classified conversation. Again, more proof to me that this is Trump trying to exonerate himself from something. So this from something. So this is how this conversation goes Trump well with quote the senior Now some names are redacted here, so well with the senior military official. Let me see that. I'll show you an example. He said that I wanted to attack Country A. Isn't it amazing? I have a big pile of papers. This thing just came up. Look, this was him. They presented me this. This is off the record, but they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him. Writer. Wow Trump. We looked at some this was him. This wasn't done by me. This was him, all sorts of stuff pages long. Look, Stafford Trump, Wait a minute, let's see here. Staffor Yeah, Trump, I just found isn't it an amazing This totally wins my case, you know, Staffor Trump, except it's like highly confidential Staffor Yeah, Trump is like secret, this is secret information. Look look at this you attack And by the way, isn't that incredible? Staffer? Yeah Trump. I was just thinking because we were talking about it, and you know, he said he wanted to attack Country A and what and Stafford said you did? And Trump Trump says, this was done by the military and given to me. I think I think we can probably right. So I think he's going back and forth now with the writer and the staffer about like, can we declassify this so that the writer can include this, because Trump says we can declassify it, and the staffer says, well, I have to figure it out, and then Trump says, see, as president, I could have to classified it, but now I can't. This is still a secret to me. That's that sounds very much like Trump was saying, I took this stuff to prove my innocence of whatever they were going to accuse me of. He must have known that they were setting him up when they left, when he left office, so he's not going, yeah, this was my plan to invade this country and they tried to stop me, but I was you know, he's saying, they weren't trying to accuse me of something that I had no intention of doing as president, and they were leaking these stories to the press, and these are still the stories to this day that people believe about Trump. So interesting. Interesting. That's page sixteen, if you want to look at it. I've got page twenty one. So on page twenty one I found this to be interesting. Heat there's an accusation of Trump talking to his attorney and instructing his attorneys to not comply and asking questions that I think that that definitely happened, which again I would put that in the category of nuance, Like what person doesn't talk to their lawyer like this. Right, you know that this is the whole thing. But whatever I mean, it's fair to say, hey, that's wrong and you should never do it. I just want to remind people, like, whatever you apply to one side has to be applied to the other. This is why I think the value of freedom is so important, because you may not like what some one else does with their freedom, but when you need freedom, you're going to need it to be there for you. So being objective, I don't believe there's any such thing as like personal objectivity political objectivity. I think we all have our biases. But you can objectively apply your own rules, right, you can decide to not be a hypocrite. So this is interesting. It's Trump. Here's some of the statements that he made. The indictment says in some and substance, Trump made the following statements, among others, as memorialized by Trump attorney. One. Hey, I don't want anybody looking I don't want anybody looking through my boxes. I really don't. I don't want you looking through my boxes. B Well, what if we what happens if we just don't respond at all or don't play ball with them. See, wouldn't it be better if we just told them we don't don't have anything here? D Well, isn't it better if there are no documents? Well? While meeting with Trump attorney one and two on May twenty third, Trump, in some and substance told the following story, as memorialized by Trump attorney one. Attorney says, um, oh, okay, this is Trump speaking. He was great, He did a great job. And I think at this point he's talking about Hillary's lawyer. You know what he said. He said that it was him, that he was the one who deleted all of her emails, the thirty thousand emails, because we're basically dealt they basically dealt with her scheduling and are going to the gym and her having beauty appointments. And he was great, and he so she didn't get in any trouble because he said that he was the one who deleted them. So there you have it. That's part of the indictment. Trump saying, Hey, Hillary did this, Can I do this too? If she if she wentn't to me? It sounds like what Trump is saying is like, hey, why don't you say you have the documents? I think he was saying, why don't you take the fall? Hillary's guide took the fall for him, Why don't you take the fall for me? But also people who don't take the fall for the Clintons end up dying. I think people who don't take the fall for the Trump's just end up getting canceled. All right, Moving on, Oh, I found this interesting. This is on page twenty five. This is a Trump attorney number one then discussed what to do with the red Welled folder. So this is maybe the most problematic document of the indictment. There's something called a red Welled folder. There was something most like I said, it seems like most of this stuff was benign stuff that everyone would take. But there was one folder that they seemed to be, according to the indictment, seemed to be very concerned about holding onto and keeping from other eyes. And so they took it out of the boxes and they taped it up with clear plastic tape. This is what they say that they secured the folder with clear plastic tape. It's called the Red World folder. So Trump attorney an attorney one then discussed what to do with the Red World folder containing documents with classification markings, and whether Trump Attorney one should bring them to this hotel room and put them in a safe there. During that conversation, Trump made a plucking motion, as memorialized by Trump Attorney one. This is the testimony. He made a funny motion as though, well, okay, like why don't you take them with you to your hotel room and if there's anything really bad in there, like you know, pluck it out. And that was the motion that he made. He didn't say that. So imagining Trump making yeah, that making that gesture like oh, pick pick it up, pick it up. That's interesting. Again, this is just in the indictment. I don't know if this is true, but it sounds like it could be. Like there's nothing incredulous that I've come across in this indictment. I can't imagine scenarios for everything right or wrong. Like I'm not excusing or not or promoting anything. I'm just saying it's easy for me to imagine if you're going to here's my thing, if you're going to indict the former president of the United States. This is one of the rarest positions to hold in global history, period, in the world, in the history or forever. One of the rarest positions to hold. If you're going to indict, it better be big, you know what I mean, It better be big, because that is a serious thing. And you're opening the door. And I think this is the argument that a lot of people are making. You're opening the door for this type of thing for every president in an office moving forward, which is opening the door for legal chaos, constant legal chaos, like opening the door for a situation like with what Palin was saying, I can't serve the people because all we're doing is spending all of our resources and all of our human energy on fighting these investigations. That's what we're opening the door to. And maybe maybe you're sitting there going, that's fine, Kira, I think we need a little chaos to clean out the swamp, so to speak. Maybe we do need a few or four or five presidents who get pinned on all this ridiculous stuff so that we start training our higher leaders to follow the rules. Maybe that's how you're thinking. I can't dispute that, Okay, I think that's a valid argument. I just I better see it. I'd better see it no matter who's in office. On page twenty seven of the indictment. It's interesting. They actually just laid out all of the stuff that they seized, and there are and there's like different levels of whether there's top secret, there's classified, and there's no foreign N O O R N no foreign, which is basically like, hey, this is cool, but no foreign eyes on this. No one of foreign born nature should see this, which is like a little less classified I think. And again Trump runs Maralango. You can imagine how many people come through there, and gosh, I mean I would be considered like a foreign born national just being Canadian. So if I had been in a room with Trump documents, I could be the person who would be problematic. I would be considered foreign eyes. So those are the three classifications of the documents that are considered problematic. So they kind of lay them out all out, and there's over a hundred of them here, I think one hundred and two. Almost all of them are secret, no foreign or top secret, secret, no foreign or top secret. That's on page twenty seven and it goes through thirty three. So if you want to take a look at that and see what they outlined, I just thought it was interesting you might too. I'm going to end here on page thirty four. It's a good place to end. It's not the end of the indictment, but it wraps everything up nicely. It's the same FBI under Jed Grohover that tried to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr. To commit suicide head is now targeting its other political opponents. And so this isn't to partisan point. I just think it's important to see that. But I think that part of my view is bureaucracy itself is part of the problem. So at the local level, you've got local police and you've got local prosecutors. You don't have a giant investigative bureaucracy sitting in between. At the federal level, you have US Marshals, which, as best I can tell, has not been at all politicized agency. They just carry out their responsibilities. And then you've got a Department of Justice, which I think has some problems of its own, but that's the prosecutor. You don't need this giant bureaucracy sitting in between. And you know what the irony is, It's still the j. Edgar Hoover Building of the FBI. It's literally the name of the building that people report into every day. Check out our interview with Republican presidential candidate of VEC Ramaswami, episode three fifty eight of The Outlaws radio show find us wherever you get your podcast, that's out Laws The Outlaws Radio Show. NFCB podcast tells you exactly why they launched this indictment. The headline. First headline says the purpose of the conspiracy. This is page thirty four, Line eighty. The purpose of the conspiracy was for Trump to keep classified documents he had taken with him from the White House and hide and conceal them from a federal grand jury. Next subheading the manner and means of the conspiracy, Line eighty one. The manner and means by which the defendants sought to accomplish the objects and purpose of the conspiracy included, among other things, the following A suggesting that Trump Attorney one falsely represented the FBI and Grand Jury that Trump did not have documents called for by the May eleven subpoena. B moving boxes of documents to conceal them from Trump Attorney one, the FBI and the grand jury. C suggesting that Trump Attorney one hide or destroyed documents called for by May eleven subpoena D providing to the FBI and Grand jury just some of the documents called for by the May eleven s PA. While Trump claimed he was cooperating fully, he causing a false certification to be submitted to the FBI and Grand jury representing that all documents of classification of markings had been produced when in fact they had not, and f making false and misleading statements to the FBI. So a large chunk of this indictment is only the result of the first indictment. So they created an indictment to create an indictment, you know what I mean. I heard other commentators saying this during the first subpoena, and I didn't quite understand what it meant because I don't have a legal mind. I couldn't see down the road what was coming. But now I understand what they meant that indictment. It was just legal documents. There was nothing really in that indictment. It was just a reason to make another indictment. It was a reason to push Trump to pull those levers right start the chain of events that every one would start in government, having those conversations with your attorneys moving boxes that you don't want the government go. I mean, we all have stuff we don't want the government going through, don't we We all keep it somewhere and we hope that the government can't get access to it if and when they decide to, So that kind of stuff, pulling those triggers or pushing those buttons, pick your metaphor, that would push Trump to start in motion the events which would lead to another subpoena. It's just my whole point is that this is a it is a witch hunt. I know that Trump likes that term, and because he likes that term, we're all supposed to hate it, or we're all supposed to turn our noses up at it. But it is again, this sense sets terrible precedent, the worst precedent of all. The thing I haven't mentioned once in this podcast. I don't think I've said a lot of words so far. But I think the thing that we should be most concerned about is that President Trump is running for president again, and he's running against the president that is launching this indictment. And that is a really, really, really sticky legal situation. And again, looking at this objectively, as objectively as you can, of course, we would say put your guy in place of Trump, like, of course we would say, hey, this doesn't look like it's on the up and up. We've got a presidential election coming up next year and he's running. This is why no one did this to Hillary. You wouldn't. You wouldn't do that. Again, just to point out, Trump was a big talker. He made a lot of promises which I believe he thought he was going to keep. But I also believe again, you get an office, you get on the inside, things are a lot different. Trump was not the big man on campus in DC. He was not another part I think of what drove him a little bit crazy. You're just a guy, your temp, you're attemp. You're attemp. You got eight years max there, and so you know, getting in there, you don't run the show, not totally. And you realize, oh, it's not as easy as all that. It's not as easy because Trump as a businessman too, and he said his hands and all kinds of things too. And he was friends with the Clinton so you know, you get mixed up with the Clintons, you get mixed up with stuff. So I'm sure this is one I'm saying. Just picture that meme in your mind of all the Spider Man's with their the Spider Man, the Spider Man, all the Spider Man's each pointing their webs at each other, waiting to shoot each other. It's a it's a big circle. I think that's what happens when you get into DC and you see a lot of it runs unmutually assured instruction and the safety that that provides a lot of politicians. I think House of Cards is a great example. I mean, it might not be as dramatic, but I think it is. I think it's a great example of how shady things can get in DC. Not just that, but it's actually a great example of the horrifying mechanics of DC. There's a wonderful scene, and don't watch it. Last season it was a disaster. I would have forgiven Kevin Spacey for one more season of House of Cards, but we didn't get it, unfortunately, and that's his fault. There's a great scene where Spacey he needs the union, the head of the teachers union. He needs the endorsement of the teachers union to get some money or win someone. I don't know how it works, but anyways, the teacher union wants this healthcare bill. It's very timely. It's very it's very accurate. Teacher union wants this healthcare bill. So Frank Kevin Space's character has promised, I'll deliver this healthcare bill and we'll deliver it to Congress, will get we'll get it pushed through. And so what does he do. He sits all his interns in the conference room on a Friday night and he says, here's the current health code or Medicare law of the United States. I need a bill that does X y Z. Have it to me by Monday, and he passes every Every intern gets a section of this law, the current law, and then they have to write a recommendation for improving it. Interns right, our law, not your congressman. Interns read our laws, not your congressman. So if you wonder why some of these laws coming to you are so insane, it's because the congress critters or your representative representatives, they did nothing. They didn't read it, they didn't write it. Their interns did. And now it becomes the law of the land. House of Cards is a really great peak into how all that works. And you know what it's sort of mirror opposite is the veep Veep I get sadly, last season fell apart. It succumbed to Trump derangement syndrome, which I just deeply regret about. So many of my favorite shows, so many good shows succumbed to Trump arrangements and syndrome. And it's so sad because not because I care about how they treat it Trump, but it's not going to stand the test of time. VEEP will hold up until the final season, and then in ten years, we're not going to remember why everyone was so angry at these images or these symbols or these you know, they do a whole Trump parallel in the final season, and if you were around for twenty sixteen, you'll recognize a lot of those parallels. But in twenty years, no, you won't. You won't. So it's not going to stand the test of time. It doesn't hold up. Well. This is very disappointing because VIP was a fantastic show, but it's the same thing. I think it is a really really accurate representation of how the mechanics of the upper apple echelons of government work, and it's a lot of trading favors and yes, staying above the law. I think we're in trouble. I don't know how. I mean, I don't know if Trump's in trouble. I really don't. I'm not even that concerned about it. But I think we're in trouble, like right now where we are now, I shouldn't say we're in trouble. We are in a time of trouble. That's what I'm gonna say. I'm not sure if it's the worst thing that's happening, because like, maybe it does clean some house. Maybe if we start here and we say, okay, if you want to do this, then we'll sacrifice Trump to do this. But then this is how we're treating every major politician. You know, maybe this will turn into a chance to clean some serious house, or maybe it'll turn into a thing of everybody realize, oh, we screwed up. This is not going to be good for any of us, hands off. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. I'm not astute enough politically. I don't think to make predictions down the road, but I don't think that this is a good thing for now. It's definitely not a good thing. Leaning into twenty four and in sixteen, painting Trump as hashtag literally Hitler only worked in his favor, and the progressive left has been so pushy and so insisted since since twenty twenty it might work in his favor again. I think, I think it really might. Now you've got the stances on the scene. That's an interesting thing that's happening. But that's a whole different thing. That's inner party stuff. But as to what this means for national politics, it'll be if we live in interesting times, I'll say that. But I don't think this is good news what they're doing to Trump, regardless of how you feel about him personally or what you think is what he did right or wrong, um, regardless. I just i this right before a presidential election, Like, if this is what you can do to your opponents, a man, everybody's screwed because everybody's dirty again. So is it going to be a good thing or a bad thing? I don't know. What do you think? Write me J L. T. Y at ProtonMail dot com. J L. T. Y at ProtonMail dot mom. Don't forget Go buy my book. Go buy my book, Drawing Lines, Why Conservatives must battle fiercely in the Arena of ideas. Look it up on Amazon Um sign up for my substack j Kia Davis dot substack dot com, and don't forget until we meet again. 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