Now this is the FCB Podcast Network. A Bran Masoda day that we won't was saying, and we won't say all we gotta does no one get tatto is gonna be okay? Day that we won't saying and we won't say all we gotta does no one get tatto is don't be okay. Welcome back everybody to another episode of Just Listening to Yourself with Kia Davis. I am Kira Davis, your host. This is a jilt Y plus and I am so happy to welcome back my friend to the show and professional royal watcher, Kinsey Schofield. She is a Los Angeles based royal commentator. She's the host of To Die For Daily and the co host of Majesty with Crystal Falcus and Kinsey Skullfield. That's another podcast, and she's the author of Ours for Revenge Dress. And I wanted to Kinsey's been on this show before and we had an amazing time gossiping about all the royals. So Kinsey, thank you for coming back to the show. Thank you. I love talking to other royal watchers, especially someone as passionate as yourself. Old school, yes, definitely old school, and I wanted to have you on because unfortunately, last month, as my listeners know, my dad passed away and he was in the hospital for a bunch of time beforehand, and so I missed the coronation. It was going on while I was dealing with all the drama of like sitting in hospital waiting rooms, and I have a vague recollection of it being on the TV and kind of like peeking at it. But I was like, I can't believe. I mean, I know this sounds so shallow, Like I can't believe that my dad's dying now. While the cornea stopped talking, stopped talking, people fix a nutt it, We'll fix a nutt it. I was just like, I'm not I'm missing one of the most significant historical events that can really happen in a lifetime. Some people go their whole lives and never get to see a coronation. So I was like, I gotta talk to Kinsey. But I was watching you. I was like, I was peeping your social media while you were over there. So you actually traveled to London for the coronation, I did. I went a week before because I felt like I was going to be missing out if I didn't but to be honest with you, your enthusiasm right there and your description right there felt a little more than what was happening when I initially got there. I feel that the enthusiasm and seriousness of everything kind of ramped up forty eight hours before the event. And I'm also dealing with like tabloid media, But when I first landed, I was like dodging questions like is Charles too woke to be king? Is Charles too old to be king? Where you'd think that it would just be a party atmosphere everybody excited for this huge, historic event that is coming up, But there were a lot of people that and I'm sure some of its clickbait and just what the media landscape has transitioned into don't get Prince Harry started, But I think that that, you know, I was surprised that there wasn't more enthusiasm surrounding the event when I got there. It did happen closer to the event and day of the event, but a lot of people were just kind of okay. That's interesting because when I went to I didn't go for the wedding of Harry and Meghan, but I was there during the wedding, and I was really taken aback by how excited everybody was. It was such an exciting atmosphere. And which is why we'll get into this, which is why everything that they're going through now does not square with what I was experiencing when I was in London. Like, the people loved her, they wanted to love her, they were excited for her to be a part of the royal tradition. But it was like a very exciting time. And I've been waiting my whole life to see King Charles be crowned king. And I don't know, do you think it is because of maybe it's post pandemic blues or the shine is off the idea of I mean, such a colonial idea, you know, a royal family now And there's so many people who are like, it's just past, say, it's very ghost to care about that. Or was it the weather It was raining rainy, It was very rainy on me. It was very rainy on me, and I had no hair and makeup. I just want everybody to know that I think there are a couple of things at play here. First of all, Queen Elizabeth waited an entire year before she had her coronation after her father passed, and King Charles didn't wait that long, So in eleven months we had the Queen's Platinum Jubilee, huge celebration, so fun, the Queen's funeral, which was not a celebration but a huge, huge event, and then we had the King's coronation. So within a matter of a year, the entire country has been interrupted to acknowledge this family. And yes it's a day off, and yes it's booze and getting together, but I also think it's like, Okay, you guys, this is the third time this has happened. You're right. I think that the pandemic probably had some sort of effect on it, especially when you know it's a heat or eat situation over in the UK. Um. You know, people are out of work, they're struggling to survive, and then here's this family that is comfortable, they have plenty of how homes you know. Um. And then I also think that there is the Diana effect where people are still hostile over the fact that Camilla, who's great, you know, great great, her great grandmother, had an affair with Charles's great great grandfather and she wasn't you know, she she didn't have the life that Camilla's had. So Camilla, who's you know, in this weird cycle of women who are the mistress to the king. She's getting the ultimate prize and on top of all of that, I guess in the same vein. I don't know if you'll remember this, but Charles told us when he married Camilla that she was going to be the princess consort yea, And and that was that was his way of saying like, look, she's not going to replace Diana, she's not going to replace my mother. And everybody was like, oh okay. So the you know, public perception changed about their marriage. He was able to marry his mistress. Then the Queen tells us around the Platinum Jubilee, it would really mean a lot to me, which we all know was motivated by Charles. We know Charles's poke in the bear. It would really mean a lot to me if Camilla could be the queen consort. And we all sit back and go, oh okay, because Queen Elizabeth asked this of us, and she's lived a life of selflessness, you know, selflessness, because the Queen has asked us this, and she's just and she's you know, in her final years, in her twilight years, we're gonna go, okay, Camilla can be the Queen consort. And then the invitations were sent out, and the invitations were for the coronation of King Charles and Queen Camilla consort. Title suspiciously dropped, and we start hearing that Charles would prefer that we you know, referred to her as the Queen. I think it just left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth. Yeah, I didn't realize that they had sent out the invitations to stay queen and gang. That's interesting. Well let's start at the start though, because I was watching your journey and you were I mean, I can't even imagine what coronation day is like, regardless of if it's a muted version of it or not. I mean, it must have been insane to get to where you had to go. So tell me a little bit about what your coronation day was like. Where were you staying while you were there, and where did you go to sort of watch or report and what was the journey like there? Because I saw some pictures of you in your hat and your your coronation outfit and you're on the tube and it's raining, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this girl is brave. It must be packed in the tube. Yeah. So I stayed at a hotel in Hyde Park, and I'm not gonna say where because I'm also going to tell you that there was a mouse in my room like one morning hit. But first of all, I went so hard on this trip. You don't even understand rip. I know you watch Hallmark. Your girl bought the LOOMI wipes, you know how that commercials. You're tired of stinking down me. So like I go, ham, I bring everything that I've ever owned on this trip. Okay, So I wake up every morning at four am to new face my face that shooting microcurrents through my face, so that my face is like tight because I have to be on TV at six am. So I'm waking up at four shooting MicroC currents through my face. So I've shot my microcurrents. I've also done my red light therapy. Now my frownies are sliding down my face, so I do my frownies and then I do a face mask to tighten my frownies. And I start hearing a sound from the corner of my room. It's four o'clock in the morning. I got a be on TV. I gotta be I have to lead by I think like five fifteen to be at Buckingham Palace for the six o'clock hit. And so I call my mom and I say, there's a noise in my room because it's like, what noon, I don't even remember what time it was. Oh, maybe my parents were getting ready to go to bed, so there probably they were. It was probably night. Yeah, So so my mom is still awake, and so I'm like, there's a weird noise in my room. My Mom's like, you're in an old building, you know. And I'm like, no, this sounds like there's a being in my room. Like there's there's nothing. So I finish a water bottle and it's definitely soda. I'm just trying to sound like I stay hydrated. I don't. It's Coca cola. And I throw this methottle at the trash can. Nothing happens because that's kind of where the noise is happening. So I'm like sitting there, going, what is that noise? That's crazy? Then that that mofo pops its head up out of the trash can and I scream. I guarantee you. People on the sixth floor thought there was a rape in progress because I was screaming bloody murder. So I my mom's like, call fro esk. I call the frontsk. I say, send somebody up here. Tell them to bring a key. I'm not opening the door. I'm not leaving my bed. I've seen a rodent. So he comes in the trashes by the front door. He tries to come in. The chain is on the door. He's like, you have to have to come help me. You have to come help me. I'm not getting off the door. So he's like, just close your eyes. So I close my eyes and I tiptoe through the door and I open the chain. I run out. I tell him to take the trash out. I see him again. I see them house again. And so then he's like, we gotta get you out of this room. First of all, they blamed me for sleeping with the window open. I was on the sixth floor. Kira like do they Spider Man mins like I I'm so confused. So he's like, let's get you into another room. Why have like forty five minutes to get ready? Now you know I have forty five minutes to get ready. They got me into another room. Also, my brother came with me for half the but was sleeping comfortably during this time when I really needed helped me move my stuff into another room. But you know, it was funny because I'd seen Andrew Moreton a few days earlier and I asked him where he was going to be and he's like, oh, I'm going to be at the abbey. And I was so jealous that he had the access to the abbey because I was just going to be at the palace, which isn't really where the action happens. You see them come and go, but you know, the abbey is where everything's taking place, and so I was legitimately jealous when he told me he was at the at the abbey. My Uber driver, because that day I wanted to take an Uber. I didn't want to be in the rain, so I was like going to pay for that. My Uber driver decided to stop halfway just because he didn't want to try to get me any closer, and he's like, no, girl, you gotta walk in the rain. So like mission failed. So I did have to walk a significant amount to get closer to Buckingham Palace. And then you have to go through several different secure purity systems, so it's not like you can be you can And of course why I didn't bring an umbrella. So I'm just sitting there game and there's no hair and makeup at most of these places that you go to. You you should show up hair and makeup ready, otherwise you're gonna look you know, rough on TV. And so, um, I got into Buckingham Pat I got through the security. Um. I Also, I don't know if I should repeat this, but because I watched so much of the event in a little box with these other locals, they were just crack. They were cracking jokes throughout the whole thing. I was like, this is a sacred hair to stop it. But they were. They were like, you know, like you know, um, well somebody brought up the Camela tampon games and I'm just like, sh I have don't do this. This is my job. I need to know what's happening. Um. But they were all locals and uh you know there. I also think people in media are kind of how do I We're a little um, I don't know what, just we're not as sensitive as normal people are to these events because this is like a typical Tuesday. Yeah. So they were cracking jokes throughout the entire thing, and you know, I thought I was laughing, but I was also like, I really need to hear this. Yeah, yeah, I've really got to know if he messes up a word or you know, like when Prince William was reading that card, you know, instead of like memorizing it, Like I need to notice details like that. But it was a rainy day, and um, it felt like a really long day sum but there was an excitement from from people outside of the palace. There was a real excitement from you know, regular people, and and I think you and I've had this conversation before, just the idea of throwing all your kids in the car and saying, today we're gonna go as We're gonna go celebrate this monarchy that is a reflection of the int higher country. I don't care who you voted for, I don't care what your stances on this, We're all going to stand out in the rain and celebrate not only a monarchy but our country. And I thought that that was really the most exquisite thing to witness because we don't really have, not even around our veterans. Do we have those kinds of moments here in the States. You know, you're lucky if we get a Fourth of July parade in Los Angeles, California. And so I thought that that was really beautiful. But all in all it was it was a great experience. And I talked to Paul Burrell, Diana's former butler, and I thought that he said that Diana would be happy for Charles and Camilla and she would be beyond all the drama now. And I asked him, do you think that Harry and Meghan think that they are continuing something she started? Whether you know the is spare Andrew Morton's Diana Her True Story Part two. Does do Harry and Megan feel like they're carrying out some sort of vengeance tour that Diana started? And he said he didn't think so. He thought that Diana loved the monarchy she was taking up for herself, and Harry and Meghan are terribly destructive and really he feels like they're really trying to bring down the system. Yeah, and that's the I think that is the sense. Like with Diana, she just she was in a bad situation, a tight spot um and I think did the best she could with with what she and stuck. Like Harry and Meghan are here now, they are neighbors, like they could just they could just go to in and out every day and live their best lives. But they keep like going, you know, they keep they're stuck in the past. Well, the past is the is the bread and butter. Who are they without that past? You know? So of co exactly, they have to milk it. And I do want to get to that in a bit. But I but sticking on the coronation when I the little pieces that I did see. Of course, one thing I love about watching the Royals is the pomp and circumstance. I just it's tradition, it's history. It might be useless in the scheme of things, but humans need tradition and patterns and circumstance and we thrive off of that. So I loved to see it. But there I admit watching Camilla come in. And I'm sure she's a lovely person, you know, I mean, people seem to have good things to say about her. Besides the whole mistress thing. She seems to be a good match for Charles. But she's Diana was glamor and Hollywood and the idea of watching her take the throne was just that's what was so exciting on their wedding day. Yeah, I was this prince and princes, but it was also the idea, like, this woman's going to be queen someday and isn't she gorgeous? She is a queen maid for a Hollywood movie, and we didn't get that, and it did feel and I hate to take away anything from Camilla and her experience of the day, but it is there is this twinge of like, ah, I wish we could have had the honor of seeing Diana all done up. I do feel like for me where I had that moment was Catherine, the Princess of Wales, because we were told prior to the coronation that she was not going to be allowed to wear a tiara, and there were mixed messages as to why was it so it didn't take away from Charles and Camilla, you know, things like that were being said. So when she when we saw her for the first time, and she I actually I don't want to say when she stepped out because one of my favorite photos of her from that day is her through a car window with rain all the way down, and we saw this magnificent. We heard that she was going to be wearing a floral headpiece, and so I went ham on my floral stuff for the coronation. I wore flowers in my hair, I wore flower headbands because I heard Kate might where something floral related on her head. She wore this magnificent and it looked like a tierra, but it was a floral headpiece. And then we had Catherine and Charlotte had matching headpieces. And while you know, Catherine of course looked like a movie star of that mommy and me moment was totally adorable and made your heartburst two. But to me, I get what you're saying. There is a lack of glamor when it comes to Camilla. And what's so interesting about her wardrobe that day is the man that designed her dress was one of Diana's close friends and somebody that dressed Diana quite a bit. So weird that that's who she chose. But you know, Catherine, to me is who takes my breath away and who I envision becoming the queen. And I think that that's kind of where I if I'm disappointed in any way, shape or form. I just kind of look over to to Catherine, the Princess of Wales, because she is just so fabulous, and I mean, her and William are a beautiful couple and they and I know that it must hurt Charles. And there were conversations about this when I was there too on some of the TV shows. He was jealous of Diana? Is he jealous of William? And Harry talks about this in Spare Harry talks about how their pressed team, Charles and Camilla's Pressed team, would leak negative stories about both of the boys to try to elevate Charles and Camilla or make way for Charles and Camilla's relationship, and so we did discuss could he, potentially the new king be envious of William and Catherine? And those stories circulate a lot. I have to hope that that's not the case. Because one commentator, and I'm forgetting her name, and I'm so sorry, but one commentator said, well, if that's who he is as a person, and that's probably how he is still to this day, if he was jealous of Diana, then he likely is jealous of all of William and Catherine's positive attention. But if his ultimate objective, like his mother, was to save the future of the monarchy, then you have to be thrilled that people love William and Catherine. Yeah. I agree. Hey, y'all, this is Ali Michelle. I'm a conservative social media influencer that has been censored by big tech. So I broke away from the restrictions and started a podcast called pillow Talk with Alie Michelle. My show is a space to have real conversations about the issues that impact our everyday live without the fear of being canceled by the big tech tyrants. Subscribe to pillow Talk with Ali Michelle and FCB podcast on Apple, Spotify, iHeart or wherever you ghetch podcasts. That's Ali a l II. Come check on my show. I'll see you there. I hate to say that. That's why I don't hate to say this. I'm a petty person and this is my podcast, so I'll say it. But I look at Charles and I think of him as a bit of a placeholder. He's he's elderly, you know, I mean, his mom lived, his mom lived a long time, and so he's not obviously he's not gonna have the years on the throne as the same way his mother did. I mean, she is a global or was a global fixture just because of the length of her reign. And so we probably will see William and Catherine monarchy soon enough, and that is what I do look forward to, because I do think that Kate is a reflection of you know, I don't know either of them personally, but obviously, but at a reflection of who we saw Diana as. And she's she has a grace and a peacefulness about her that makes you feel like, yes, this is what a monarchy should be. That she gets the job, is what I'm saying. And that's the difference I see between her and Megan, right Like Catherine gets the job. She wasn't groomed for this job. She didn't grow up like Diana, not in the exact same way as Diana did, where you're sort of you live next door to the royal family. But she understood the gig and she I see pictures of her smiling all the time when she's out, and I'm like, oh my gosh, she must be exhausted, like she's probably not having fun at this event, but she knows that this is her part, and that's the kind of monarch. I want to see somebody who understands that this is your job and as such you have to do. I expect you to perform your job well, to not complain, and I don't want to hear about your bad life because I am struggling to pay for heat or food, and so I don't want to hear your complaints about your life. I want you to look pretty in the bathrooms, right right, Spare me all that. And that's what I feel like we have coming on the horizon with William and Kate, and so in a way, I was viewing this coronation as sort of like this is the next step to get to what we're really all. I think that there's a huge majority of people that are like that, and it does. I've seen it upset a lot of Royal watchers who are just crazy about Charles and Camilla and it's mine. I mean, we both can live in the same space. It's not like there's but you know, talking about talking about Catherine. She so first of all, I think that, yeah, some of her best qualities do remind me of Diana. She is a fashion icon, whether she tries to be or not. She walks out of the house and I'm like, I don't have that torso, but I'm gonna try that outfit. You know, her hair is so great, Oh my god, I can't leave my masks in my hair long enough to try to get that perfection of the swing she does with her hair. So she is super glamorous. The camera loves her in a way that I agree with Diana. But I also just had a discussion with somebody else about how I really do respect the way she handles criticism by she really takes on that never complain, never explain. Where Diana was like, I don't like that this was written about me. So I'm calling Richard Kay from the Daily Mail and I'm gonna pretend like I didn't and I'm gonna tell him everything it's really going on behind the scenes. And while that was totally fun to observe, I do see the longevity in Catherine's plan. She has the mystery that Queen Elizabeth had that we that was so fascinating to us, And you're right, Catherine understands the job. She gets the gig. Megan did not grow up, you know, with the Royal family on her TV or I mean. She says she didn't read Diana's book with Andrew Morton. However, Andrew Morton himself said he has people that told him she had it on herself growing up. But it just infuriates me that Megan to me, does not respect the monarchy, did not do the due diligence, didn't understand what she was getting into, what her expectations were going to be. But sends a thank you letter to this local Montecito company. This was in the news today. She sent a thank you letter to this local Montecito bicycle company for dropping off a free bike for Archie. And in the letter they thank them for the bike for Prince, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Thank them for the free bike for Prince Archie. Like, if you're going to give the royal family the middle finger as you're you know, kicking it out of you you're in high gear getting out of town, then the least you can do is refer to yourself as Megan windsor whatever, Mount Matton windsor you're Megan mount Batten windsor like you're not the Duchess of Sussex anymore, because you clearly have no respect for the institution that gifted you that title because you married a prince and you're in accepting all these feminism awards demanding this title she inherited through marrying a man. It's insane to me. Girl, I feel the same way. And I was a big Megan marco Fann at first. I think she's gorgeous and and I loved the picture of them together, and I love to their wedding. But yeah, that is that is the thing. Well. South Park captured it perfectly, you know the South Park episode where they were making and Harry moving across the street, and then and then they go on the their worldwide international Leave us Alone tour press tour, and and that really is the essence. I think that's what. I don't find their exit from the royal family wrong or offensive controversial. I get it. I totally get it. You don't want this pressure. You're not you're the spare, you're not in line for the throne. Uh, go live your life if that's if that's what you want. I can even understand that she got into something that she didn't get at first, and then the pressure was too much and she was like, I gotta leave. But then leave it, then leave it, you know, then then go ahead and put down the title and go live your life as whatever it is you think you are. But the fact, and I personally think at the sense, tell me what you think of this that if it were just up to Harry, that might have been what he would have done, just sort of gone into regular life or or parlayed into some other career and maybe lessened his profile with the royal family. But instead we get miss showtime here all the all the time, all the stuff. Yeah, I mean I'm torn because I do think that Harry sincerely finds a lot of this stuff therapeutic, even though we look back, we sit back and watch him on Anderson Cooper or turned the page and Spare and say this seems really toxic. I think that a part of him feels like it's therapeutic. I mean, just think about also, really quickly before we move on. I want to know your opinion on whether you think it's a good idea that Megan didn't go to the coronation. But you know, we we sit back and we watch Harry's testimony over the last week in this UK court case where he is going after the Mirror Group for hacking his phone. Now there's literally zero hard physical evidence that the Mirror Group hacked his phone. And he said on the stand for two days and revisited his relationship with Chelsea Davy. And now I understand why a judge said, you can only acknowledge the articles that came out between this time period and this time period. But to rehash that and to say, you know, the media broke up my relationship with Chelsea the and and to rehash some of those headlines and stories. And you know, first of all, Chelsea, I highly doubt was asked permission to do this. She just had a baby. She rejected the limelight when she broke up with Harry, and now all of these old wounds are coming back and she dodging all these Google alerts about herself. Um, but it also just feels like, Harry, stop looking in the rear view mirror. You can protect Megan today without going and you know, pursuing the Mirror Group for things that happened so far in the past, and that open you up to to criticism because you're going on the stand and you're you're basically telling all of the world, not just that the media, that you're fighting, but you're telling the world what your greatest insecurities and weaknesses are, and it just adds fuel to the fire. And so I don't know. A part of me thinks that he thinks that he's like doing all these things to protect his wife, to honor his dead mother, who you know, was harassed by the media. Um, but I do agree that Megan is just like, how can I stay on TV? Do you think that it was good that she didn't go to the coronation? It depends like the next day she was hiking and seen by paparazzi, So the ultimate objective was to be seen around the time of the coronation. M I to me, it's a difficult question to answer because I don't totally understand the dynamics between Megan and the royal family. And also there's the dynamics of just being like those are your in laws, you know, like, well, well, we know that Harry flew in and out and that he was not welcomed by William, Catherine or the King. He didn't really get any face to face time with them while he was there. And you know, when the Queen was dying, Megan was going with Harry to Balmoral to say goodbye to her and King Charles, Prince will Yack. I mean it was he was teetering. Charles was teetering. He called Harry and said, don't don't bring Megan. It's not appropriate. So, you know, I do think that William and Catherine dislike her immensely, but they put on a brave face when the world is watching and when they need to. You know, to think about the four of them walking around Windsor and thanking people for being out there. Um, we know that they loathed each other right then and there, but they still were acting friendly around the public. So I do think that she could have dumped in, dumped out, not had to engage with anybody. I just think she didn't want that public scrutiny. I just think she didn't want people to be gLing. I can't believe she wore that. Oh did you see when she made that face. I think it's more about, yeah, she doesn't have control of this situation. I think that's a good observation, and I do think that that encapsulates her strategy. If she doesn't if she can't control the environment, um, she's all She's she generally when she is not in control. I just think her her personal instincts are poor, you know, and I think that reads in public and and so to leave that up to the interpretation of other people is probably dangerous for her reputation. But if I were her, I would have gone, because if I want to be seen, there is no better place to be seen than at the coronation of the next king. I'm already a black sheep of the family. I'm already an outcast. I love publicity. Um, I would have gone. I would have worn something that broke sort of with tradition, to just you know, no pantyhose or something, just to get out. Hey, that wouldn't be for up to us to We would have found out though, let me tell him. Sure, yes, I'm sure we would have. But I think I would have gone. I don't I don't understand the games that she is playing with the press. I always I feel like she's got one foot in and one foot out and she hasn't settled on. Like, if you're gonna go for this, hey I'm a fake duchess, then like go hard, go all the way. Yeah, show up at every royal event and then fly home to your mansion in monicito and enjoy your regular American life and just like tap into this whenever you need some publicity. That's how I would do it. I don't know what she's doing, I know, I know that's a good point. I mean, I do think a lot has changed since she signed with William Morris Endeavor. And you're from here, you know that that's a powerhouse. And if they really really want to, they will make Megan Markle a likable household name. I mean, it's going to take a minute, but they have the power to do that. And so, you know, we saw them pull back so dramatically after the two hour near catastrophic car chase that was not even remotely Oh my gosh, that was like the most embarrassing thing ever and just what a missed opportunity because had that not happened, which we only know about because they released the press release the next morning, we would have all been talking about for the next forty eight hours, Megan receiving an award for being some leader in feminism. And so the fact that, I mean, they they self sabotage so much and they have no idea, you know, they just don't realize how ridiculous they look sometimes, But I do think that her ultimate objective today is to be a Gwyneth Paltrow or an Angelina Jolie and to do the hair commercial or the Mabeline commercial. Probably not Babelene, I'm not giving that was when she was giving blowjobs on nine o two one L More like, I guess, you know, to be the beauty and to be a beauty brand face that you might see at a mall kiosk, but but also to to be a you know, a philanthropist and to be seen as some saint like like Angelina Jolie or ultimately Diana, who they always are comparing themselves to. Okay, that makes sense, but again I don't see her going all in on any of that stuff. Great Harley, but do you remember when she showed up in Texas after the school shooting of the children. Was that not the most cringe thing ever? It's like if you she showed up after a school shooting with like flowers and sandwiches, and I mean it's like you said, it's almost like there are there's a bigger picture, but there are not the right steps to achieve the goal. Yeah, and she's missed. And because it's not an organized thought process because it's everywhere she's making huge mistakes. Yeah, it feels like they're just throwing things at the wall to see what works or to see what gets some cash. Like like she could, am I wrong? Could she not sign on for a huge movie project right now? I mean, I think if it was Tyler Perry, But I don't She's not a good you know, And I've talked about this Suits. She was good on Suits because Rachel Meghan Markle is playing Rachel on Suits. Like it's like it's literally Megan playing Megan. It's but she's the high profile and people are going to see that project just to see her on film, just to hate watch her. Or but remember during the Netflix series, her friend that was on Suits with her said, I always I once told Megan, you're not an actress, You're an influencer. And I think that that's what Megan doesn't want to have to memorize lines. Megan wants to show up, have her picture take and get paid three million dollars and walk away for just being Megan. I don't I think that she's I don't think she wants to put in the work. And that's why I have a hard time with this whole feminist philanthropy thing. Again, Marco keeps getting you know, taps on the back and and celebrated for a podcast that a producer is doing the majority of the interviews for and they just dropped Megan's audio over it. You know, she doesn't put in the work. She didn't put in the work as a Royal and they were phacing her out of suits when she met Prince Harry. We don't know why, but they were phasing Was it because they did not like her work ethic there? We don't know. By the way, I haven't said this anywhere and because I really haven't had the chance to, but I realized I'm in commercials for Royal Match, which is a celt like it's a game, it's an app and it's super fun. It's a match three game. And I was like, oh my gosh, definitely doing this. So I started doing these commercials for Royal Match. The guy who plays Megan Marcol's husband on Suits also does these commercials with me, and I'm like, do they know what they're doing? Somebody would be so mad if she knew about that. That's so cool. I I always play those games all the time, and I always see ads for them. I haven't seen you yet, but if I see you on the Royal Match ad, all you gotta tell me. My mom is like I was saving cats and I saw you on the Royal Match commercial. I'm like, can you saved those cats? Girl? If my daddy knew how much money you spent on coins, I believe you. I don't want to talk about it. I please nobody tell my husband what I spend on these little games. It's absolutely pathetic. And as a matter of fact, that's what you're doing with me today. Kens You're earning me a little more cash so I can buy some more coins. But I find it really interesting that I find it really interesting that we're in this era where like the biggest thing has happened for the royal monarchy. It's a coronation, the changing of the guard. It really doesn't get bigger than that when it comes to royal events. And yet our conversation always goes back to Meghan and Harry always, and that's for everything, like they have totally consumed. This is why I'm I'm like trying to work this out of my brain. Kensey, why she isn't more successful at whatever it is she's trying to do, because their names are magnetic, and you could just it seems like you could parlay that into anything. And and it just seems like they're just throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall seeing once work, Like if you want to be an Angelina Jolie, Okay, guess what Angelina Jolie did. She went to minefields in Vietnam and toward minefield, she adopted kids. She worked with the un She went on UNISEFT tours like and I think I think a Meghan went to Rwanda and brought like twenty outfits and a professional photographer though she could get different pictures in different outfits while she was there. I think that's what Tom Bower's book said. But here, here's my thing. And I'm gonna be really honest when I say this. It is hard to talk in a positive I mean, if we were gonna make this whole thing about Charles and I'm being a a real journalist, how do you not bring up the breakup of his marriage? How do you not bring up the cash for access scandals where people that worked for him were accepting large donations of money for access to a future king. That's very salacious, it's unethical. How do you not bring up you know, I just think that the idea of a moral compass and has he made the right choices along the way when his mother was absolute perfection really when it came to her decisions, and the only time you saw people complain about her was after the death of Diana. So it's hard to stay solely positive about him. And and just talking this out with you, I'm just like connecting pieces right now as I moved my mouth. I might regret what I say, but it's it's easier and more comfortable to go to like, look at this blatant example of disrespect and you know, irrational behavior. And it still is a negative reflection on Charles because Harry is his son, and a lot of what Harry is saying as I was abandoned as a child, I didn't have the the the kind of mental health support I needed, I didn't have the love I needed as a child. But it's it's almost easier to go like, let's talk about this because it's new, it's fresh, it's current, and Charles has done an amazing, m amazing thing with the Prince's trust. Ida Salba will tell you I owe my career to King Charles and the Prince's trust and what he's done for the environment also very exciting. But I do think when you sit down and you you talk about Charles for a significant amount of time, it's hard to stay positive because there are some skeletons in the closet, and people, especially because we're so close to the coronation and we're so close to the death of Queen Elizabeth, want to not talk about that because they want to they want to allow this some breathing room. Oh, it's an exciting new reign. But I do think in the future people will either be very forgiving towards the Camilla and Charles thing. They're going to say, wow, romantic, they were meant to be. It's unfortunate that Diana, you know, lost twenty years of her life so that they could be together and her life if we're being honest, or they're going to go wow. He made so many mistakes. He was getting involved in architecture debates. He didn't want new buildings build, he was cash for access, he was sticking. He was writing all sorts of political figures when he definitely shouldn't have been sticking his in politics. He was trying to sway the way politics was in in the UK. So I do think that it's just because if you focus too much on Charles, a lot of negative can come up, and that sometimes why we start talking about Harry and Meghan. But also that it's just so current. I mean, yeah, just it's week we had go ahead well embodies also sort of the material aspects of what we enjoy about royal watching, right, fashion, Hollywood, celebrity, beauty well, and then and then politically Harry and Meghan are so you know, you know, I when when Harry made the statement this week that he felt like the UK government was you know, I can't remember his exact words, but he was critical of the UK government and said that they were that the world was watching and they were in the gutter or something, and I was like, you literally went on ABC on Times one hundred with your wife and encourage people to vote for Joe Biden, who can't even tie his freaking shoe. But the man falls more than he walks. And so it's like, you know, they're they're so relevant because they really put too much of themselves out there and it's like we were talking about Kate. She's so romantic to us because we know so little of her, Yes, and I miss that. Hey, y'all, this is Alie Michelle. I'm a conservative social media influencer that has been censored by big tech. So I broke away from the restrictions and started a podcast called pillow Talk with Alie Michelle. My show is a space to have real conversations about the issues that impact our everyday lives without the fear of being canceled by the big tech tyrants. Subscribe to pillow Talk with Alie Michelle and FCB podcast on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, or wherever you get podcast that's Ali Ali. Come check on my show. I'll see you there. I was just talking to somebody the other day about how well I was explaining the concept of celebrity like in the eighties and nineties. I was talking about Michael Jackson. I was trying to explain how huge Michael Jackson was, right, but I was like, you don't understand because we didn't have the Internet then, we didn't have social media. There were fewer celebrities. You didn't know a lot about their personal lives. Anything you found out, you found out through the Inquirer or Star magazine and everything was like that was usually correct. Okay, hello Inquirer. I don't care. I know we use it as a slur, but they have been on point for most of the major stories. Yes, so I think back in the day, you know, there was this air of mystery, and now we can know so much about what they think, how they vote, what they eat for breakfast, what their diet is. We can you know, we know they're taking ozempic. They're not just eating healthy and having a great lifestyle that we should model. They're taking a drug. And if you take and if you put type this cupon code at checkout, you're gonna say everybody. I was willing to take a bullet for Deborah Messing until Deborah Messing started a Twitter account, okay, and then everything went downhill. Oh my gosh. There are so many celebrities on Twitter where I'm like, I have to unfollow you. I don't need to know. There's much about how much you think. There's a fantasy here, And that is what Queen Elizabeth gave us, and that is sort of the the allure. I miss, the mystery of our of our celebrity class and saying, why Kira do do celebrities? We know, we know what they're doing there. They are they're feeling challenged, they're insecure about the ticktoks, the YouTubers, the Instagrammers, instead of just going okay, that's a different category. That's a different category. And so they're trying to compete with these they're trying to compete with the Kardashians. They're trying to compete. No, I don't. Julia Roberts is not Kim Kardashians territory to me. You know, Julia Roberts, Meg Ryan, these people you're talking about that, we're celebrities that were the real celebrities of our time to mean more, you know, these women that were just like so beautiful and enchanting, and we did not know anything about them. It's unfortunate that and it's I blame Ashton Kutcher, but it is unfortunate that everybody's like, well, now we gotta say, we gotta tell them who we're voting for because this TikToker has a million views and blah blah blah. It's just we should have stayed in our lanes and flourished, and now it's just this puddle of messiness over sharing and morals, our morals and values have gone completely out the window because now, oh, I'm going to do this prank that's terrible, and I'm gonna I'm gonna cheat on my boyfriend and get caught, or I'm gonna do like I'm gonna put all my drama out on the internet because that's gonna get a lot of views. And like our our morals and values are being flushed down the toilet because everybody just wants to click and they feel like a TikToker or a utop tuber is encroaching on their space. And that's where Harry and Meghan really have to be careful because they are too much and they're too much in the celebrity lane. Now, what they basically did with that Netflix series was Kardashian's Gone Wild, you know, and and Megan didn't love the final product because she couldn't control it, like you said, um, But they have tried to sue to change the final product of the show she produced. And so I do think that that they've got to be really careful because you're seeing them, you're seeing them like teetering in that in that space of like, well, um, we don't like what podcasters are say, so Megan's going to start a podcast. Okay, enjoy, right, but a pot as you know can see, a podcast is actually a lot of work, not for Megan, not me not for Megan. Well, let's we're running out of time here, and because you are also using this episode, um, let's talk to talk a little bit more about the coronation. Let's bring people back to that day. Now, there was a little bit of break from tradition in the ceremony. There was, and you'll forgive me, but you'll know what it is. There is a tradition where the new monarch, his the royal or aristocrat crafts gather around and they kneel. I think it's called the procession of peers or something like something of peers. And I guess Charles thought that might be too antiquated, the idea of people kneeling, and so they changed that to a pledge that a group pledge sort of that everyone said. And then Charles and Camilla also they didn't take their traditional form of transportation to the abbey, although they left in that traditional carriage. Was there a sense that there was a break from tradition at this coronation. Did you have a sense of from the people, did they even care, did they even notice? Well, there was a huge scoffing at the pledge idea, because, like you said, it was originally where a core group of you know, aristocrats and people that were close in the court could kiss you know, I believe it was kiss his hand and touch his crown or something to that effect at the time, and Charles. You did see Prince William go up there and do something similar. But the idea was that anybody could do this pledge. Anybody, anybody you know could participate, and it was just I believe, a good, a good effort to try to include the world, not the world, but include anybody that Charles was reigning over so that they could feel like they I was my justification when I was there, because this was debated when I was there. Was you know, we live in a world of selfies. We live in a world where people people are so self consumed. I get this idea. It's do you want to participate in the coronation. You can participate in the coronation from wherever you are, and then you could take your picture where you're you're you know, giving your pledge or whatever. But it was highly criticized. I liked the idea because I understood. I felt like they were trying to say, if you want to be a part of this, be a part of history, talk about it twenty years from now to your kids and they. But but yeah, it was highly criticized at the time. Otherwise, I feel like people were pretty comfortable. It was visually stimulating, and people were just happy to celebrate the new reign. Well, Lendoners love an excuse to party, for sure. Yeah. So do you think that Charles is a man of the people. I saw some not interviews, some clips. I know you've seen them too. Now where after he well he hadn't been coordinated yet, but he was signing all of the official paperwork, complaining about the pens and he seems like and he also doesn't seem to carry the same kind of decisiveness that his mom did. And you know, Queen Elizabeth really was very resolute in a lot of the choices that she made and people didn't question that. And yet we've seen Charles go back and forth about several things. Should Harry come, should he not? Can he wear his traditional garb. Can he not queen consort or just queen or just princess? He seems to be changing the goalposts a lot more than I think his mother would. But maybe that's just a symptom of just the chaos of the transition and the symptom of like waiting for this job for seventy years, you know, like oh, before he could sit back and make all those decisions in his head, and now people are actually listening to him, so and change his mind a million times because it didn't matter, and now people are actually going, wait, did you just say? You said? What? Why? I got to go back and tell this person. So I think that I think that his old age has softened him quite a bit. I think he is still stubborn, and I do think he still has a temper. I think that he's highly aware of how sensitive the environment is right now for him, with cost of living crisis in the UK and with politics. I mean, it's not a great look, but bo Joe resigning today from his MP position because they think he's going to challenge Sunak. So I do think that there is he's unsettled, and he can't look unsettled. But I'm sure that there's a little bit of insecurity, and like we've been discussing before, on top of that, you've got Harry and Megan lobbing grenades from the United States. You can't when they said that there was a racist in the royal family, they said it was not the Queen and it was not Prince Philip. They have since said that they never said that, which is amazing. But you know, that's char that's Charles, Camilla, Catherine and William that are then having to deal with the with the with the question mark over their heads for the last three years, so he's been dealing with a lot. I think he's going to be a good king, but I don't think it's unfair to say that he's a placeholder for a much more welcomed and celebrated sovereign. Yeah, and it's it seems sad to say that. And I'm sure royal life is crazy life, and I'm sure it comes with all sorts of sadness and abandonment issues and you know, the issues of the wealthy. It just is. Yeah, it all comes with the territory. I certainly don't I really don't envy anybody, but yeah, it does. I think we are just looking ahead to William. It must be hard too, because now you've got you have two children, and both of them are spotlight stealers. Right, so you're you are now the king. You are the king of the world. Basically imafter what Queen Elizabeth felt like every day waking up to the papers in nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety six, you know what I mean, or nineteen ninety five before they separated. You know, she had Diana and Charles. Charles was talking to plants and Diana was being Diana. So you know, I'm sure that that was incredibly frustrating to her, but somehow she managed to walk out of it with grace. I think a lot of that, don't you think has to do with She was a product of her time too. She was a wartime queen and she served and she and she really served. I mean every member of the royal family has to serve at some point, but she was really of service to her nation. She she was the leader of a nation, or the symbolic leader of a nation that was going through a huge crisis, you know, a huge international crisis. Her family refused to leave. They stayed right where Yeah, she had literally getting hit. She had moxie. Yeah, she had moxie, which then you know, people with moxie, they want a comfortable life for their kids, and so their kids' lives are different. And I think the kids that she raised, or the Nannie's raised, are quite a bit softer. I feel like William's different though, and maybe the death of his mom the surrounding media storm. He did grow up in sort of a war, so to speak, so I do think that he has more of it. But Harry's excuse, girl, what's Harry? He told us he he killed twenty five Afghans, So what is Harry's. Harry's excuse is the same excuse as every other man in the history of the world, which is he's whipped. That's Harry's excuse. The greatest leaders on earth have made huge mistakes trying to please a woman. He is no different than any other man in history as far as I'm concerned. Well, what a good way to end the podcast. That's a sound bite right there. Yeah, now he's whipped, but we're going to still keep an eye on him, and and of course, you know, prays up, prayers up, boughts and prayers Um, I could talk about this all day. I still have one million more questions for you. Is Andrew moving out of Frogmore moving into Frogmore? Is Prince Andrew moving into Frogmore Cottage? This is a controversy. I think he is because Harry stayed there recently for his Harry was supposed to be up this summer, but he did stay there for his court case. And you know, I think Charles's ultimate goal is to get William and Catherine into Royal Lodge. And Andrew's pushing back on that. But you know what, get Fergie out of the way. The queen dies. Fergie the first camera in Fergie's face. She's telling them about the Queen's ghost haunting the Corgis. That the Queen did not want that Andrew and Fergie bought for her. That Fergie is now inherited. Now she's telling everybody that the Queen's ghost is haunting the Corgis. She's got a new podcast coming out. I think I still think God love her. I'd be so sweet to her face if I met her in real life. I think Fergie is a liability and I think that, you know, I don't think. I don't think she's doing the Royal Family's any favors by continuing to talk, and I would boot them out of Royal Lodge, put them in a smaller space, and continue to I feel like he's kind of controlling them with money and controlling their behavior. But I say, good on you. When those documents recently released about Jeffrey Epstein showed us that he had an even deeper, you know, like friendship with not only Andrew, but had on his documents no matter when or where Fergie called, he wanted to make sure he made time for the Duchess of York. So you know, to me, Fergie and Andrew make horrible decisions and they should be limited. Their access should be limited, their funds should be limited. You know, they are not a good reflection on the Royal family. Well, what is the significance of the lodging of like where they stay? Because I was reading the Red and Andrew is like upset that he might have to leave where he's at. So how what is the song has a really interesting idea he wants to take. He's asking people to leave Kensington Palace. He's asking Harry and Megan to leave Frogmore. He wants somebody like you or me to be able to rent a space in Kensington Palace, which, oh, my god, that's my dream, my god. So he wants to turn some of these crown estates into investments, and so because he doesn't want the monarchy to be seen as you know, monetary leeches, which is really one of the main arguments you hear when people talk about abolishing the monarchy. So it's his objective to turn a lot of these spaces into either museums, like he wants Buckingham Palace to become a like a full museum in a working space for the royal family, no longer a home. And I think that these are really interesting ideas, and I understand why people are going to push back, but I think that his objective is to no longer be considered a monetary leech on the world to anybody that has to pay the tax, which is like what a coffee, you know, it's really not that bad, am. I'm glad I don't have to pay it either. But I do think that the ultimate objective is to turn some of these spaces into living spaces for people and museums and monetary like there'd be monetary gain there that wasn't there before, and that's a really good idea. That's very interesting, And of course we think it's a good idea because we're Americans and so we're unabashful, unapologetic capitalists. I can understand, though, the idea of the tradition being you know, like valuable and people not wanting that. But I mean, girl, if I had, you know, fifty thousand dollars or whatever it's going to be to spend the night in Buckingham Palace, you can bet it's two things I want to do. I want to stay in a castle and I want to go to the moon. If I could do either of those things and I had the cheese to do it, I certainly would. I actually love the idea of Buckingham Palace being a museum. It looks like a museum from the outside already, and I think it would be. I would have loved to have gone inside from the outside. I you know, have you been inside of any of them? Nope. I've only ever been to London one time, and that was for the well during the wedding. Yeah, that was for Harry. That was for Harry and Meghan. I didn't get a personal invitation. But when you walk. I love Windsor's my favorite place. I loved Kensington Palace too, and I love Kensington Palace because that's where Diana lived, That's where William and Catherine lived. But um, Windsor's my favorite place. But no matter where you go, it feels cold and void. You you think, how can you have a happy Christmas here? How can you have how can you you know? How can you you know, you're not going to hear your kids screaming in the hallway, You're not going to hear you know, play, you know, playtime in laughter. They're beautiful buildings, they're exquisite, but there is a coldness to them. So I do think that it would be better if they were a place where we could walk through respect the fact that history was made here. This is where when Churchill said, this is when where Winston Churchill said this thing that you couldn't say today, and you're just kind of cackle at it. But there's spaces that I've been in that they have lived in have felt very cold and void to me. And I thought, I bet someone was lonely in this room that is yeah, yeah, yeah, I bet there is a lot of loneliness in that life too. And the kids, by the way at the coronation adorable. Yeah, those kids are like entertainment in themselves. I actually get the sense that maybe Kate and William might need to deliver some buttlopons here and there, because they definitely look seemed like a little sassy, and I think William and Kate are probably very modern parents, so if they want some disciplinary advice, they can call me up. But as a as a royal watcher, those kids are immensely entertaining, so adorable, and then Kate always has them looking just orgas well. I think that you really get a sense of first child, middle child baby, because Louis is just You're like so right, full of attitude, full of sas in his mom's face, You're not going to tell me what to do. And then you have Charlotte who's like, settle down, settle down, I told you to be quiet. I told you stop it. And then you have George, She's just like one day I'm gonna be king. Please don't look at me. I am invisible, you know. So you do get a sense that they not that they know their place in the line of succession, but they know that they are the oldest child, the middle sassy sister, and then the youngest kid who has definitely never had time out before in his life because everybody's just fawning over him. And I do love watching Kate maintain her royal uh you know, attitude while also trying to be like shut up smiling, which we've all we can all relate to that like in church. Yeah, if he don't stop talking right now. One of no, Well, what I will say with Louie is because Louie was born in such a chaotic time, I wonder if he was such a blissful escape from them for them, um, because uh, you know, there's the story about here we go again. Sorry, there's a story about Megan making Kate cry. You know, I think that that did happen Kate. Kate was had just had a baby, she her hormones were crazy, um, And I don't think that that's a bad thing. I think that that's just what happened then, you know, Megan telling her she had mommy brain and that. But I think that Louie was probably such a great escape and and so it's a great excuse we're gonna you know, oh we can't. We just had the baby, and with all the chaos going on and all the drama, just being there with the sweet, beautiful little soul that loves you, you know, unconditionally. So I do wonder how much Louis gets away with not only because he was the youngest baby, but I imagine he was a really happy, beautiful thing in a time of stress and despair, and so I do kind of wonder if if that's part of the reason why he gets away with everything. Well, he's adorable. I love watching them and some of my favorite images from the coronation that I've seen fen of course of the children. Well, Kinsey, I have had a great time talking to you today. You'll definitely be back because there's always something to talk about with the royal family. Before we go, Can I plug some of my stuff? Yeah, go for you. Well, if anybody would like to find out more about me and what I do, you can follow me on Twitter at real Kira Davis. My podcast is just listen to yourself, and I have the substack just Kira Davis dot substack dot com. I do pop culture and political commentary and a lot of souls searching on there too, So if you want to join me over there. You can find me over there, Kinsey, Where can people find you? I have the to Die For Daily podcast, which is commentators and authors, and I got some homemark stars coming up. I thought I was on your website and I saw some chatter about that. Uh And then I have the Majesty podcast with Christo and the RS for Revenge Dress is available now wherever you buy your books. And that's great and you can hear Kinsey also over on a very Merry podcast where we had her on to consult about the authenticity of the portrayal in the Hallmark movies. She brought it. She brought a real air of professionalism to the podcast, so uh no, people might not be surprised to learn that no, Hallmark movies aren't exactly accurate when it comes to portraying the royal family. But we had such a great time. Well, I'm glad that you made it through the coronation, you made it back stateside to share all of your experiences with us, Kinsey, thank you for being here. Oh you're welcome. I'm going um now on Tuesday I leave for Trooping of the Color, so I'll have more stories next week. Okay, Well we'll have to have you back then? All right, harn't we just make another podcast that. I feel like I'm cheating with these podcasts because talking to you is not work for me. It's not I'm like, oh yeah, tell me all that. I feel like I'm having too much fun for this to be work. I know you are because you've gone over. I know I still have a million questions. I'll call you back, girl, Okay, I'll answer her right soon. Bye. That was Kinsey Schofield post of the to die for podcasts sets Die d I as in Diana and I always love talking to Kinsey. I swear I can do a million more shows with her, and I probably will. Um and I wanted to remind you to subscribe to this podcast, like the podcast, share this interview, and I'll also be releasing the video portion interview video portion of this on my substat So if you want to see me talking to Kelsey and see her she's a gorgeous young lady, sign up from my substact Jessicia Davis dot substact dot com. Go over there. I'll post that there again. Thank you so much to Kinsey, Thanks to everybody who like me. You just love this kind of stuff. You're just interested in the goings on and the and the gossip of it. It doesn't have to be that serious. It's just something fun that has nothing to do with us here in America, not really, except for when Meghan and Harrier terrorizing us with their endless quest for celebrity. All Right, you guys, I will talk to you next time. Until then, don't forget. Every once in a while, just stop and listen to yourself. A bred Lo Mazzoda day that we won't was made and we won't say all we got it? Does no one get tatto? And dude, no bad? It is gonna be okay? Are Mazzoda day that we won't have bade and we won't say all we got it? Does no one get tatto and bad? Don't be okay. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast network, where Real Talk lifts, visit is online and FCB Podcasts dot com.
