This is the FCB Podcast Network. This is the Jeff Lory and Nick Show. Welcome to the Jeff Laurie and Nick Shell. We are an informative talk show that's focused on finding solutions. Today, we have none other as a special guest with us along with our co host, Pastor John T. Coats, State Representative Gary Klick, who represents the eighty eighth District in Ohio. Good morning, Pastor Coates, How are you well? Good morning, sir, how are you? Is great to be here and I'm really excited about today's guest, Representative Click Pastor click. Welcome to her. It's great to be with friends. Good morning, God bus y'all. We know you've got a lot going on in the state House. Kind of update us as to what's going on with House Bill sixty eight. I know that you sponsored that, and tell us a little bit about it. I know it was first introduced as the Safe Act, and then it also deals with the Save Women's Sports. Yeah, tell us about this House Bill sixty eight. I know it's been in the news as of late. Talk to us about it. Thank you well, First of all, thank you for your interest in everything we do. We want to represent the constituents of Ohio. We want to protect women and children. And that's really what the genesis of this. It started off in the first General Assembly as the Safe Act, and really it just began with citizens of Ohio coming to me who have been victimized by some of this radical gender ideology, and they've been hurt, their families have been hurt, their family have been torn apart. And through the process I begin to meet many other people through this, people like at Chloe Cole. She's now become a national figure in this movement, but she started off coming and testifying in my committee, and she's become a friend over the years to just recently, just about a month ago, I sat down with a young lady by the name of Morgan Keller and sat down and she reached out to me. I met her in Columbus at a coffee shop, and she had been victimized by this, and she had been led to believe that she could be a boy. And she went through this whole thing and was very startling to me as it came to a conclusion. After a while, it made all of her depression worse. They tell you this cure's depression. No, it doesn't it makes it worse. They tell you this prevents the suicide. It actually made her closer to suicide after she took all this track and was trying to live as a young man instead of a young lady that God made her to be. And so in the end she went back to her counselor and she told her counselor right here in Ohio and Columbus and said, you failed me. And the counselor said, the councilor agreed with her. I am so sorry, he said, I had questions, but I wanted to affirm you, because that's all they're allowed to do these days, is to affirm. And if you don't affirm, they call it something else, and they say you're not supporting the child. And parents get told if you don't affirm your child, that commits suicide, and that's just not true. Morgan says, that's just not true. And she also said to her, this is all so new, and that's what we've been saying. That's why it's called the Save Act, saving adolescents from experimentation. This is an experiment. There have been no long term clinical studies done, and when you look over in Europe, they started much before us. They're more progressive than we are, and they've all back down. They said, this isn't working, this is hurting kids, and they've reversed course. And now many states, over twenty states in Ohio have already reversed course. We were among the first to introduce this legislation. Some of the other states have gone ahead of us to take this act, but we're ready to do it, and we passed with strong This bill has been so vetted and it's been through the process and refined, and we passed it sixty four to twenty eight in the House. We sent over to the Senate, they made a couple of revisions that were acceptable to us, and they passed it twenty four to eight, I think, And so we have a strong veto proof majority. But I don't think we're going to need to worry about the veto. Just to be honest, we've been in communications with the governor's team, and you know the thing, and I know that John can attest this because he's had some good communications with the governor as well. Is the governor is a very deliberative person. He doesn't do knee jerk reactions. He wants to look at the evidence. He wants to see if there's any you know, hidden land minds in there. And I respect him for that. But he's always stated and the message to me, they've not weighed in on this in the whole process except is to say the governor wants to protect children, and so we believe this bill does that. And I think the governor as he looks at the evidence and we're making sure that he has all the evidence that he needs, you know, on the opposition, they're trying to, you know, feed him some false science and some junk science. But we're making sure he has the real evidence, and I think in the end, the governor has the wisdom to see that, yeah, this is the right thing to do. I believe the Governor is going to do the right thing on this representative clique. Does it science say that X and Y chromosomes determine your gender? Yes, yes it does. You know, I mean you're either a male or a female. And there is no medical science, yes science, Yeah, there's no medical reason to do this. And again it's very important to remember that this bill only deals with minors. Let me tell you what else The science tells us. An experience tells us that eighty five to ninety five percent of the children who experience gendernice for you, and the kids who do this, and the genderness for you is a side effect. It's never the primary cause. It's a side effect for kids who are going through mental health issues. And everyone of those children needs to be loved and respected and affirmed as who they are, not as who they are not. And so when you do that, when you take care of it, and by the way, autism is high on the spectrum, but when you take care of eating disorders, kids with eating disorders are high on the spectrum. When you take care of those side issues that cause the depression and the anxiety, and they go through puberty, they desist. They no longer feel like the opposite sex. However, the moment you put them on puberty blockers, you determine the course of that child. Because eighty five to ninety five percent of the or ninety eight percent of the kids who go on puberty blockers will persist because their brain doesn't develop. You stunt the natural development of the brain. And when you do that, that child continues to the opposite sex hormones and then most likely all into surgery and it's not until the child's about twenty four years of old age when their brain is fully developed, and coincidentally, that is also the most common age when they begin to detransition and say what happened to me? But then they can't put their body parts back on. They can't undo the damage of the hormones and the puberty blockers, which have even side effects that have nothing to do with sex, but diminished bone density, osteopina, osteoporosis, the cardiovascular disease, and all these things that go along with it, not to mention stunted brain development in the process. So this is a very harmful process for kids to go through. And we're just saying, you know, say the adulting for adults, let kids be kids when you get to be eighteen or above and you are able to weigh in the facts. But kids cannot provide informed consent. They don't know what they're giving out. They don't know that they're giving up the joys of sex. They don't even know what sex feels like or is for the most part by the time they start this process. And they also cannot understand that they're giving up their ability to appropreate and they tell that to a twelve year old representative, click, I'm with you one hundred percent, and my mind automatic quick quickly goes to all of these organizations that are out there that are mentoring boys, that are mentoring girls, and I'll tell you they the Bible tells us, from a religious standpoint, train up a child in the way that they should go, and when that child rolls old, they won't depart from it. Children need direction and if they're confused about their identity, that's where men and women step in and show them how to be boys, how to be girls. And it's this is really a sad state of affairs, and it's really an indictment on the church as well, because I believe religious leaders, pastors and clergy really need to come from behind their desks and step up, stand up and be supportive of this particular of what you're doing and supporting the identity of the child as they were born. And I think that's so important and I think pastor Colts might have something to say on this as well. Yes, we see this often in the church now, is that children have gender confusion. And it could be a niece and nephew, a son, a daughter, grandchild of a of a church member, and where and where we see it, but I don't think we believe it. And you know, representative clique quite possibly in Ohio and throughout America. When you hear this argument being made to protect children, a lot of people receive it as if it's conspiracy theory and that this isn't really happening. But the fact fact of the matter is that there's there's there's big money, there's powerful organizations that's pushing this agenda throughout the country. And we're so grateful for legislators like yourself throughout America that's protecting children's state by state by state by state. Where can the average Ohioan, the average American go to to get more information about what's happening along these lines. Oh, that's a very good question, and so several good points have been brought up, and so you know, I appreciate the theological and the pastoral perspective there. To be honest, a lot of the pastors this this is knuck up on all of us. This came out of nowhere. They just started doing it. No clinical trials, no studies, Let's just experiment in real time. And that's how we got here. So as pastors, whoa wait, how what do we answered? What's the answer to this? And that goes to pastor Coach's question is where do you Where do you find out information? And there's places. I think one of the best places to find information is called SEGAM and that's se g M, and it stands for the Society for Evidence Based Gendermedicine dot org. This is not a religious site whatsoever. It is a science site. And I know some of the I know some of the charter members there. They provide data, they provide studies, they provide science, and I think most pastors can figure out the religious aspect on their own, the biblical aspect on their own. But this gives us the science and see, and here's the thing, is we as pastors, uh, because as you know, I'm both a pastor and the legislator. We can rely on the science. Why can we rely on the science? I mean true science, I don't mean the bogus science and the fake science and so on. We can write like on the real science because we know God is the author of science. And so when people ask me, well, what does the Bible teach you about this? Because they want to say I'm forcing my religion. I say, well, first of all, the Bible tells me to follow the science, and I can do that because God's the author of science. The Bible also tells me to love my neighbor as myself. And I say, what if I was one of these kids, you know, looking back, turn back the clock. What if I was one of those kids, what would I want? I would want them to follow the science, not superstition. This is very key and very important to remember is that the opposition makes an argument based on imminence, not evidence. And let me explain that imminence versus evidence is they say, well, because we said so, the AAP, the APA, this association, that association, because we said so. But every single time you say show me the data, they don't show you the data. They will take you to proactive sites like the Trevor Project, which is just it's just an advocacy in an LGBT advocacy group, that's all it is. And they have any of their polling is done, it's a convenience sample, it's tilted, it's and it's just not true. And so SEGAM se g M dot org uh takes care of that. There's a secular site also called Partners for Ethical Care. I've worked with the leader in that, Jenna Cooper. Jenna Cooper is an atheist. And that's what's really been a blessing in this is we've partnered with everybody on this. You know, it's not just the religious crowd. And UH. And Jenna or Jeanette Cooper has UH. She hosts groups of these d transitioners. She she provides resources for them. And she's the one who has come and testified on our bill. And I teas her once in a while. I'll say, I say, Jeanette, you know, God can even use an atheist, and she'll get quiet, and I'll say, are you ignoring me? And she'll say yes, but I'll be honestly. She had been a great friend and a great ally in this. But she provides some resources. And so you know, we know what the Bible says, but we can't make legislation based on what the Bible says. But when I let but when the science is consistent and it always is with our our religious beliefs and our understanding of God's word, you know, we shouldn't be ashamed and we shouldn't back down from that and we transition if you can over even to the save women's sports side of this, you know, we had Riley Gaines, and Riley Gaines just what a wonderful young lady. And she talked about the competition where William Thomas uh and her tide they tied, literally tied to the hundredth of a second. But they said to Thomas, they said, they said to Riley said, we got to give the trophy to Thomas because it looks better for us. And she said, now here's the deal. She said, in the locker room, we didn't even know he was coming until we were in the locker room and we hear this deep voice. We are in the midst of changing, and she says, you know, it's kind of awkward when you're changing for a swim meet. There's very immodest moments that you know, you just don't want guys in the locker room. And she said, we're dealing with this and he is undressing, fully intact, undressing in front of us, and we are having to undress in front of him. And here's what they did, is they to get around it. They made it a non gender specific locker room, which meant any boy could go in there, and that's how they got around, and also as a confession that they knew that he was a man, not a woman. And Riley said, you know, I Rile, he's twenty three. Riley said, you know, I kept waiting. I expected someone else to stand up for us. And I kept expecting and waiting and looking, and no one did. And she said I would my face would turn beat red when I'd get up and give a five minute speech in speech class. He said, I hated it, but I figured out. I realized that if I didn't stand up, no one else was going to stand up for me. So I stood up. And she is a champion. She came and she testified here in Ohio for us. She met with legislators and uh, and we have to protect our women. This is not the job of the NCAA or the oh essay. They were not elected to protect people's rights. We were and they failed because when you go back to the title nine, it wasn't the NCAA that implemented that. It was legislators who are elected by the people. I'm sorry, I know I've gone long on my soapbox here, sir. That's okay. Representative clique, Gary, how can we get you know what comes to my mind. A lot of black clergy, you know, may feel as though conservative issues, they let conservative issues divide them, and sometimes they unfortunately believe the demon ofization of conservatives and common sense representatives who stand for issues such as this, and they bow to the division of Republicans and partisan divisions and they say, Okay, he's a Republican, we can't support this. How do we break that ignorance and bring our clergy together behind sound principle so that they sound biblical principles, sound science like this, it's such a destructive issue that it's devastating the Black community, especially when there's so many black men and women who again have mentoring classes and courses to teach young men to be men and boys to be men, and girls to be women and young women. This is an evilness that we're fighting. How do we get How do we connect you with other Black clergy to address so First of all, anytime they want to I'm available, reach out to my office Rep. Eighty eight at Ohio House dot gov. I'd love to have those conversations. You and I've had those conversations. I am a member of our local NAACP, by the way, and when we spoke at a forum on this, It's very interesting that this issue came up with my Democratic opponent last time, and I just said what I believe. And the pastors at the NAACP came up to me in our intermission and they said, all I got to say is what does the Bible say about that? And they were right. And they were walking out of this NAACP meeting with click for Ohiot shirts and they were supporting me and this issue. And we have to break down that barrier of Republican versus Democrats. I don't always agree with my caucus. I've stood up to my caucus on a few things, and especially like things to deal with, you know, trying to get some stuff for the Benefits cliff to help people in poverty. I grew up in poverty and I understand that. And I'm not saying my Republican colleagues disagreed with me, but they didn't all understand some of those issues, and I try to bring them along. There's some black legislators that actually have told me I agree with this. I can't because of my caucus say anything, but I agree with you and so we just have to look at each issue. You can't just vote party line party line party line. Look at the issue and act based on that because there are many things we have in common. So going back to House Bill sixty eight, we're discussing that it was originally introduced as the Safe Act. It is still called the Safe Act, and it has two names. One portion is the Safe Act that deals with preventing sex changes for children. The portion dealing in the sports is still called the Save Women's Sports. And I urge people to kindly reach out to the governor. Don't be mean or angry that never gets us anywhere. That reach out to the Governor's office and just say, hey, we support this. 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Thank you, Jeff, And I think the most important thing to do, you know, first of all, as believers, you know, I wear two hats of pastor hat and the the legislator hat, and the battle is the lords. And I think prayer is a very key thing, and I would inform your congregations on the weekend, Hey, this is something to be praying about because this is a decision that's going to affect you and your children. You know, we had You should look up the testimony of Richard Annome. Richard came here a young black guy who was actually molested as a child. He suffered from he's bipolar schizophrenic, and he went to a council and that councilor just pushed him through and I mean he had all the surgery, all of it, and now he says, you know, I'm now he has to wear a diaper because he's in continent and because he's bleeding and things like that. And he felt like he was taking advantage of as a young black man. And check out his testimony online and you can search him as a few other places as well. And Richard Richard Anamy, I'll text you that information. I don't have it on hand, but as far as the spelling of his last name, but he gave testimony in the Senate in the last in the first sponsored testimony for the Senate, you can find him in there. There's only about four witnesses. See find it in there. But Richard is he came and gave this testimony. But what they need to pray. But of course the Bible tells his faith that works is dead. So reach out to the governor and say, hey, this is good for our black families. You know this pass us and we care about this. And many of us are Democrats. And in the polling, actually more Democrats are with us than against us. And according to a Baldwin Wallace Pole, I think it's for thirty forty six to thirty eight with us in the Democrat community according to polling. I'm not talking about the professional politicians, but the everyday Democrats are with us. Independents are strongly with us in this. This makes sense. It doesn't matter what color you are, what denomination you are, if you're a Christian or an atheist, this is a this is common sense legislation. But there is a loud and o noxious opposition to it. Their loudness does not match the real numbers. And someone said to Steve, one of the reporters went to Steve Huffman because the testimony was imbalanced. You know, there was about six hundred testimonies against it compared to about one hundred or so for it. And Steve Huffman, President of the Senate, said, we don't legislate for six hundred people. Always legislate for all twelve million people in Ohio. And so it's not about who shows how many show up. It's about what is the best for Ohio and what does the majority of Ohio think. And the majority of Ohio has an opinion. That doesn't mean the outcome and stand in and give a testimony. That's a very activist crowd, hyperactive crowd, hyper energetic crowd. But they do not represent the vast majority of Ohio. So we got to get that message to the governor and we just state our cases. And like I said, I'm very confident the governor is going to do the right thing. But you know, just letting him know and letting him hear from our communities helps him. It helps him in a positive way. And like I said, I feel like he wants to do the right thing. I feel like he's going to do the right thing, but he's going to be deliberative, which is not a bad thing that weighs in our faith. I think of all the parents such as myself that have girls that are in girls' sports, and so many families and have children who are in girls' sports, and they love their daughters. They want their daughters protected, and a lot of pastors and clergy just don't know what to do. And I think this is a time where we can get out of our chairs and stop laughing joking about particular issue. But it's time to stand up and do something and be accountable and be on the side of right. Yeah, Festal, you may want to chime in on this, Yes, absolutely and representative click twenty twenty three will be a year that won't soon be forgotten. You have run a marathon this year in helping to protect Ohio Wins, and there's a lot of what you've done on the floor as well as behind the scenes that really will never really see the light of day as it relates to positive advocacy for Ohio Wins. But at the same time, the general public is being impacted by Hollywood in a hard push to influence the the the the culture. You know, you turn on the television, you want to watch your favorite police show, fire show. You want to see people rescued, you want to see them solve crimes. But yet there's another agenda, another message. What do you think is the best way for us to combat that influence on the minds of regular citizens so that we won't be insensitized by the work that you're doing well. I think that I would say it's hard to make a distance a difference from a distance. You can't make a difference from a distance, and you've got to get close to people. Don't be afraid to go talk to somebody. I think you hit it on the head a moment earlier when you said, don't you know, making jokes and things like that. I think there's always that temptation to do that. But I've had some real conversations though, some real trans people. They're not evil people that are hurting people, and I think we need to love them and to care about them, you know. By the way, Walt Hire is another guy to look up online and he has a website called sex Change regret if dot com, dot order something like that, and he his faith is what helped him to overcome He lived for one of the first people to transition, did it for eight years. D transitioned. First pastor he ran into told him, you're not welcome here. The next pastor said you're welcome here. And that pastor helped him and helped and he also did his own research, you know, and figured out what the real issues were in D transition. And he's a huge help to D transitioners now, so he can provide it both scientifically, socially and faith based answers for a lot of people. Wow, we packed a lot into this few minutes here. I'll tell you thank you so much. We're out of time. Unfortunately, we could continue with this and we're going to have to sometime. We're going to be watching this bill, House Bill sixty eight. It's going to the Governor's desk right now and where he really needs to sign this for two reasons, to save our children from experiation and also to save our women in sports, to common sense issues packed in one House Bill sixty eight. We thank you Representative Gary Klick, Pastor John Coates, and also we always thank our producer, Darvy O. Morrow, the best producer on this side of heaven. And thank you to our audience. 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