This is the FCB Podcast Network. Je what's going on? What's going on? Jam and Jeff Brown? And you're tuning into another exciting episode of B Jeff Brown Show. And I'm the host with the most And you know, I always got to introduce the family, the lovely side of the show. Always. I call her the Smile, none other than my homegirl, Coca Brown doing her one two in the building. The smile. Oh my god, what you going. I'm trying to get ready for I gotta go speak at my son in school later. Honey, you know you're going like a mother. Oh let me. I can't say that on radio, but listen, you're going like like a mother father everybody, Dusty Son stressed me out. Oh okay, that's what happens. Peace got you, I got you. Big shout out to our man GARVEYO. He's out today. A big shout out to his father, Papa d Papa Daniels. Make sure that we keep him in this in our prayers and I'm at be the recovery for him. But hey, yo, I'm excited about this show, Coco. I'm excited about the show because we have some phenomenal guests on the show today. I want to use these gentlemen. First off, I want to give a big shout out to my man, Lavelle Jones, big shout out to him. This guy is incredible, R and B legend, just well connected in the entertainment industry and just continues to be relevant even in twenty twenty three and today he has blessed us to have none other than Carrie Kelly, the brother of Robert Kelly a k A R. Kelly, on the show today. Very excited to have you all on the show. How y'all doing, brothers, We're doing great. Welcome sir, thanks for having us. Absolutely absolutely, let's let me just jump right into this, man, because you know, Carrie and and Bil, there's so much there's so much questions right that the public has that people, uh, you know, are always curious about. But but Carrie, we definitely want to talk about the book, your new release book, and I know that you know, uh, it's been a long time coming for that. But I don't like to know from your standpoint, being the brother of R. Kelly, how has the challenges publicly based affected you. Well, I mean it's affected me whole it time. Man, just meet people they don't they don't. They don't see them. The things that it changes to where Robert came. It's also like a blessing and a curse because of the things that that happens. Our people sit back and capitalize off of different things, you know, opportunists. So that's what comes on. Oh okay, when you talk about opportunists, can you elaborate on that? Well, I mean, you know different people you know that Robert has came into contact with, you know, with his great talent. You know, he's the most talented guys that I know and gifted and and annoyty. Robert is annointed uh by God and people who art is not right, especially knowing that you know, the education that wasn't very high took advantage of different things because of that. You know, when when you think that you know, a person that got to point with God has gotten to you would think that it's it's it's all love, but it be it'd be different things that be mixed that be mixed up in the love for accomplishments, invite it be people that not just theyselves home to different things that don't never really yeah, a person, if that makes sense, you only care about what the person is doing. That's what comes up here. Yeah, yeah, and and you know, and I understand that this this has been a real, I'm pretty sure an emotional roller coaster, you know, with you know, watching you know, court proceedings and you know, those type of things happening in your brother's life. What was it like growing up with your brother? I mean, you know, I mean what what what experience did you have growing up with him? You know, what was that like? Well, when we grew up, just like everybody else and the other kid in America, you know what I'm saying, we really didn't have much. We was comical. We used to watch The Three Stooges and we used we used to act like we was the Three Stooges the Blackbirds. So we always was comical and kept that in our life. And my mama is still Churcheners and and and Robert had an amazing voice even as a kid, So we we always believed in in him and that he was gonna go somewhere real far in his life. Uh h. So we sibling rivalry it happens, you know in every family, but it's a lot of people that's that's too busy looking over in our grass and the grass looking in our backyard. But it's to say things that's happening in their family as well, whether they admit it or not. But you know, like I said, we just basically grew up normal. Or mother Joanne was always trying to give us a better life than what she had. You know. That's that's pretty much, you know. You know. And one thing I love about our family, our matriarchs, there's no longer here our God. Again, the way they raised us was was was right. You know. They raised us with the worlds and values and instill the the word of God and us so we was raised the right way. But you know, like I said, it came to challenges and stuff. You know, Robert, you know me even writing stand comprehended as well. That was a tize for him. So Robert basically here that energy toward his music because I believe that he wasn't gonna be like a person that worked a job nine to five. Robert knew he was a boss even as a kid. M hmm. So he basically focused on that. It's almost like a person that can't they can't smell, or they they can't see. They got a little sense that the actually kicks in, you know where it's stronger. And that's that's what that's what happened Robert growing up because he just put the raps, the whole truth. H h to education, you know, things of that nature. So he took to the industry and the music and stuff. He wrote it. You having I'm sorry, we're having a hard time hearing your killer? Oh yeah, yeah, what about now? Can you hear me? Perfect? Much better, man, much better? Don't change it? Okay, yeah, that was that was okay, I got it. Now I gotta sit still and hold the phone and look east and then yeah, yeah, don't do yeah, don't move, don't move. Well, listen, Uh, we're glad you got that fixed. Listen. We got more to come. I'm gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back with my man Kerry Kelly. We're getting the Inside School. We'll be right back with me and Coch Brown is the Jeff Brown Show with the Coco Brown. We'll be right back with more of this interview. This is a Jeff Brown Show, and we're back and we're back sitting here with my man, Carrie Kelly, my man Bill Jones, Lovevel Joe, I call him veil, but y'all call him. You know what I'm saying, Lady shout should with me, lovely Coco Brown, I uh, you know, Coco. I know he's making some some conversation in the break I'm doing to break. All right, you made points and I just want you to kind of share what your thought was. But yeah, I was listening to Carry and he was talking about Robert as a child, as an as an adolescent, and I noticed that he was saying that he didn't see the world through like everybody else. I know, there are a lot of times when they say people are creative geniuses, they tend to live in this bubble. They see things very differently. But it also can be a situation when they're that creative. Uh, when they're when the creative geniuses, it's almost like some other things might not click in as much. Like you know, when they say people are creative geniuses, highly intelligent or genius level, sometimes things like common sense or just right and wrong, just very basic things that we may come very innately to us does not come to them because they see the world through different eyes. And when you were talking about him coming up and how he was very different and how he saw things. Did you kind of feel that maybe that was maybe him in terms of that that creative genius insight of how he viewed the world. Yes, I felt like I knew that my brother was different great way, you know, but just because he couldn't really read and write and comprehend and understand. So he was smart on other levels. That was above a lot of people, most people, and and we always believed in that, you know, especially my mama. You know, we didn't get toys and stuff for Christmas. We got instruments. Mm hmm. We got instruments, you know, and at first we like what we're supposed to do with that, you know. Uh yeah, that's that's something that she saw in all of her children, and Robert was more compassionate about it. What people don't understand is he he never worked a job, h you know, because he was born to be an entrepreneur. He was born to be boss. He was born to be in control of his career and his destiny. So it's it's like, with with that being said, it's like he, yes, he was, he was different, and you know he was a little spoiled you know too, because you know, he was the baby before I was born, So my mom and them and everybody just you know, gravitated to him and you know, and and that nature. So yeah, he was spoiled because he was the baby for four years and then I came along. So it's it was when he came get I have to ask him question, not to not to catch you off. Brother, It just hit me. Uh, my brother and I are five years apart, and we had extreme sibling rivalry up until probably our mid thirties. Well it was a competition. Did you and Robert have that? Well, yes we did. We was in competition for our mother's love, you know, and with me being the baby, it was like, you know, I really didn't have to do much. People don't understand, you know, like even my family members. My mama had a child before me, after Robert, but he was born, he was still born, so she lost the child. So when I came along, you know, I you know, I'm just I only can imagine, you know, as a mother, how she was thinking and how she treated like, I don't want to these another one. H I'm overly protective of you all after that. Yes, yes, yeah, so so let me let me ask you a question because I'm hearing some phenomenal uh uh memories and history as it relates to Robert. That really doesn't you know, get talked about. It doesn't. There's not a lot of light shd on this. Uh. I guess humanity aspect of Robert, what do you from your from your opinion? You know, and you know we don't you know, it's just your opinion or your thought, your perspective. What do you think became the challenge that separated him from this god fearing household to create or step into this guy or Kelly me that that kind of seemed like really became the main narrative. Who's the sexuality? Yeah, you know everything the church says we should. Yeah, what do you think about that? Kevin Well? I actually it's you know, I know it's my opinion, but me actually being there, I can say I know what happened to my brother when it when it came to what he what he been through Robert, Like I said, Robert different. He was different he and as a kid, but when he became a star, Robert gravitated to He was glad. He was glad because he sometimes he had doubts, you know, as big as he became, he had doubts on making it. A lot of people don't know that. A lot of record labels turned Robert down before he when he when he went to Netlly Cole's Big Break, when it was him and him, R Kelly and MGM mentally gifted men. When he went there and he won on Netlly Cole's Big Break, that's when the label started actually calling. So he was doors closed in his face, and you know, and and and Robert mine. He was believing that it was because he couldn't really read and write, and he was determined to make the world see his talent through his eyes. H So that's what kept him going. But once he got in there, once he made it the wrong people. Robert is really a teddy bear. You know this, This R Kelly cat is an entity. And that came from people being around you know that. And it goes back to what I was saying earlier. When you got people around you and and and they yes, sirs, And you know, Robert said, hey, the son is purple tonight. That's Robert it is. That's not a chemistry being he is because he started to believe that they are right. When you have people around that tell you, hey man, you know, I don't know if you need uh, you know, your cataracts checked or whatever. Bro, But that son is always been the same color, you know, our whole tire life, so it's not purple. Bro. Then do you feel like I didn't want he didn't want anyone around him to tell him the truth? Well, when you got earl, I would say, the majority of the world telling you this and telling you that, and you know, it become confusing, especially to a person that's not educated and that's been by They took advantage of his situation. He's a genius music and producing and writing songs and hit record after hit records. Robert he he he fit those out with no problem. But when it comes to being intellectual and intelligent, when it comes to dealing with people, anybody say they love him, or anybody to say, hey, you know, uh, you know, we see your vision, We see what you're saying. Even if you know you're on this train and this train is going two hundred miles an hour and there's no breaks. We believe in you. And Robert take that face value. He believed in that. So yes, the people that were saying, hey man, this train, we need to jump off the train. It's gonna crash and kill everybody is not trying to hear them. Wow, he need control. He had like he had control issues where he needed control. Yes, and I believe that actually came from different things that happened to him as a child. At one point, I, you know, thought my brother was a monster with all the different things that was going on. And I had to sit back and really really think about it. Yeah. I did say some things and interviews and things of that nature. But when I've really actually seen that this was hidden so real, and I actually went to trial, I went up to New York twice, I'm really starting to understand that like this one here is Uh, it's different when it comes to Robert because Robert is so used to being right mm hmm. You know, it's a natural fact. It's a natural You're never correcting you exactly, And it can happen to the best of us. You know, it didn't just happen to him because he you know, he's r Kelly. It can happen to the best of us because of human beings. At the end of the day, not none of us is perfect. So when I started sitting back and understanding different things, and it made me have more compassion in my heart for my brother. And we been through and whatever our disagreements may have been in the past, that's the past, and that's where I leave it at. It's the past. I'm looking the president. Well, listen, hey, Carrie, don't go nowhere, man, we won't talk a little bit more about I want to get into the book. And also I want to there's another, you know, a couple other things I want to talk about. And I want to get your perspective on as well, man, because you're really dropping some phenomenal gems and some phenomenal insight, as I say, on a different perspective as the brother of Robert Kelly, because we as you know people, as fans, I've been a fan of his music for a long time, you know, and we don't know Robert h We don't know, we don't know, we know are and so I'm appreciating the transparency and you know, just you know, just keeping in one hondre. But listen, I need to take a break and to pay some bills. Coco and I carry my man bill. We'll be right back with more than Jeff Brown show. I want to talk about that book when we come back. Be right back. Yep, this is a Jeff Brown Show. Hey, what's up y'all? This your girl Cooca Brown and you are back with the Jeff Brown Show. We are so excited to have this incredible guest. We have Carrie Kelly, author, musician, artist, voice and the brother of Robert R. Kelly. We are going to get back into this, Jeff, do you have something because I know I do. Yeah, I do. I want to kind of I want you to hold that thought because I want to kind of pivot into the book. He just released his book, something that he's been working on for over twenty years, and from what I'm understanding, the book really focuses on their hero, which was their mother, and I just want, you know, Carrie talk a little bit about that as well. Also, let me say this coming up in the show. I have my man Dwayne Evans coming up in the show. He is the CEO and owner of Doing Better Than Excellent, which is a nonprofit that focused on domestic violence. So this is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. In addition to that is breast cancer wearing his month. So you know, I just want to kind of shine a light on that just kind of a soft club there. But Carrie, talk talk a little bit about the book. You know, you talk about some things in the book. You mentioned some things, you know even you know, just some of the challenges that you know, your brother went through. You talk about, you know, your upbringing, your mom, her faith. You just talk about all of that and and you know, talk a little bit about that, you know, and how your mom really became your hero. You kind of you know, touched on it early on, but I want to kind of, you know, talk about it right now. Well, I'm a firm believer. You know, we was raised by three great women. I mean, uh, three great women. You know. We we was able. We was blessed enough to be able to see three generations of our great grandmother on Downside, our grandmother on Downsie, our mother, and our grandmother, our mother's mother was a evangelist. They all believed in God, and they all believed in His word. And that's what we was raised in. You know, when we got old enough to be able to make our own decisions, we all are strayed away from that. And that's why I called the book the Kelly Chronicles. Lord, forgive us all Robert, it's not the one of that made mistakes. M m m hmm. That's deep. So when you talk about chronicles, they have been taught that you know, your brother had faced, uh, had been lested. Is there any truth that, yes, oh I was molested as well. And the thing of that is, you know, everybody deal with situations differently. I decided to become an advocate for that, you know, against actually against that when it comes to a child legitity. I'm sorry, y'all. It's just when I think about it, it just really it takes me back, and it really bothers my soul. And and and that's another reason I had to do this book. I spoke to God on my situation so many times, and and and he guided me. I asked him the guid my footsteps every time. He allowed me to open my eyes to see a day that I never saw before and I never see again. So I you know, he guided me to able to get my truth out because it's therapeutic to me. It's therapeutic because I know that other people is actually going through these things around the world. It's not just the Kelly family, it's it's millions of people. That's going through things, and and they don't know how to express what they're going through. So I feel like we are the sacrificial lands, you know. So that's why I paced our life on a platform to be able to let people understand that, Yeah, Robert is great at what he did, and and he made a lot of great accomplishments in his life his music, but he's still the human beings. We are human beings, and we all our God's children. So we've been in the same place as they. Then we've been through the same things they've been through, you know, when you talk being in the same you know, going through the same things. You know, you know that Ago cliche guilty by a social and did you ever feel that when he was going through the allegations, the trial, the persecution, did you ever feel like that trickled down to you? Explain that I don't understand what you're saying. You're saying trickle down to me as like, did you were being judged just as much as he was? Oh? Yes, oh yes, Actually I was being for me. I was being judged a little bit worse because you know, I'm just a brother. I'm not painings. I'm not you know, I'm really actually up under my brother light and I was just grateful that he allowed me to come on tour with him. He allowed me to be in videos, he allowed me to travel and see the world. I wouldn't have never saw the world without my brother, and that's facts. I wouldn't have never got a chance. I would have been one of those cats that have been in the hood just like everybody else, just that's where they live at and that's where they died because they have an opportunity to be able to go around the world. And I've been around the world two or three times with him, So I was grateful for that. But what came along with that is, yes, I do feel like people believe that they would choose to believe rather believe that, you know, it's it's the brother that's that ain't on nothing opposed to the brother that's a superstar. I'm not saying that it was him. I'm just saying that that's what that's how I someone to blame. Yes, yes, got you, yes so, and not that Wow I'm sorry, no, no, go ahead, carry no, I'm just listening to that, you know, uh, you know, it's amazing how perspective and what people think about individuals and not have the whole story. It just you know, it definitely can puts out or tasting people's mouth. You know what I'm saying the audience that is that is actually in tune to what's going on. But but go ahead, Carrie. I'm just kind of just like, wow, Well, so I looked at it, like, you know, yeah, I was brought up. You know, I actually did a judge Mathis had a judge Matthews case and they actually subpoenaed the tape into the courtroom to show them of Roberts two thousand and one case. It ended in two thousand and eight, but I believe the case was in two thousand and one and two thousand and two somewhere around and there. Okay, hold on, Terry, you said, what Coco, you kind of went in and out. Now, I know I was. I was listening to him and they said they subpoena at his brother's tape for something that he was dealing with. And how did they even put you went two together for that to even be part of the issue. Now, and before you go into that, are we talking about the tape of where allegedly that he was with the young lady and in your Nation tape, are we talking about that or we talking about something that well, yeah, we're talking about the alleged allegations in the two thousand and one case that changed my life, got my life, you know, a whole lot, and to the point where you know, I pretty much had to seek I had to see professional help behind that. So while people saying I'm jealous, and they saying that, you know, he's just mad because he didn't get know, they don't know my story because they used to listening to one sided stories. And that's and that's that's the whole uh, that's the ball park right there, of uh, of of everything. When I was Robert's lawyers at the time said that it could be his brother in the video. And when they said that, wow, wow, that's how the wow that I was on not a tape with the little girl. I was on the Judge Matthews Show, and the Doge Matthews Show became subpoena into the courtroom. That's why you can't find it on the internet now because it became a part of a case that I had nothing to do with. Right why aspeciation or they were looking for escapegoat, and they said, why not get the brother we heard about? Reasonable die? Yeah? Yeah, you know, Shoot, I gotta take another break here and I'm gonna start this conversation and we'll pick it back up after the break. So is that where the is that where the dissension when that happened, when when his attorney said, hey, let's put it on the brother could be the brother, you know, creating that reasonable doubt? Uh? Is that where a lot of your challenges came as far as your relationship with him? Exactly? Okay, Okay, we'll be We're gonna get you know, we're gonna ask Carrie about that, like what caused the rift and the disconnect and then where are they now? So we'll be right out with the Jeff Brown with your girl, Coco Brown. The smile has spoken. We'll be right back. This is the Jeff Brown Show. What's going on? He We are back with my man, Carrie Kelly, the brother of Robert Kelly, a k A. Mister twelve play or Kelly. Uh. Now you know what, this has been an incredible interview, you know, Coco or not. And I guess I can possibly speak for Coco, but you know, we've interviewed some phenomenal people, But today I am really I'm really enjoying this interview just from a standpoint of seeing it from both sides. You know what I'm talking about, Coco, when you think about Stanning that there are more dynamics to this, to this, to this picture. Absolutely, and for once somebody is talking about the human fraility of this man. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying. The thing is, you know, we still got the debate. Do I listen to his music? Do I not? Blah blah blah, whatever the case may be. You know, all the time, I may not like Bill Cosby, but I love Claiff Hostable moving on. So you know, it's just it's been so to hear this, you know, and to hear it from a perspective of the human side. Absolutely, it's definitely on down our throats, but the human side, Yeah, it's deep, and uh, you know, I'm just glad that we are. Actually I believe we may be the first to have this exclusive conversation as it relates to this aspect of it, you know, and I could be wrong, but they'll you know, you and Carrie may know that a little bit better. But we want to get it. How Carrie became close to this situation and what was the catalyst that started the risk between you Carrie and your brother Robert? And where are you now? Yeah, well that was the situation right there. You know, that's my brother. I'm always gonna love my brother because that's my mama's child, and I love her without loving her seed it's impossible. Mm hmm. Well I love it all. And you know, in actuality, I really felt like, Okay, my brother being in who he is when this took place, and these are his lawyers that are saying this my brother. I felt like Robert was in a position to be able to say, hey, y'all keep my family out of this. That's not my brother, and people would have listened to him. But I felt like since nothing was said that I was still up under the bus while everybody saying, you know, I'm not my brother's keeper. You know, at one point in my life I felt like I wasn't being kept Yeah deep deep deep is wow? Wow? So so during that time, how did that I'm pretty sure when that came out that had made I'm assuming that that probably affected you financially, that probably affected you with your family your friends. I'm just assuming, you know, they say you assume, you make an ass of yourself. This is one of up times I think I'm gonna try to make an ass of myself. Did that affect you negatively in those aspects? Yes, it did, because I'm not perfect. I'm a human being of high feelings, and you know that's when you conspiral out of control, not thinking before you do things or before you say things. You just speaking from a place of hurt, a place of disappointment, a place of anger, and things of that nature. My children was in school at that time when they was young, and my kids used to get into fights because kids used to tease them and say, your daddy is a child molester. So yeah, really won't do it, okay, And it's it's like, you know, no one can understand those shoes unless they put them on, try and moon and walk around the block, you know, and see how they fit. Yeah, So that's my kids, was going through that. And then you got people that's grown. That's that's Robert Fans. I'll fight out there fighting my kids because they're my kids. Is protecting my name, my brand. So it got crazy for me to the point where I had to seek some type of help because I started having an anxiety attacks. I never been through that before in my life, anxiety attacks out of control where I couldn't I just couldn't control them. I'm being rushed to the hospital four times out of a week and it's only seven days, Okay. So yeah, that that that's something that I went through and I feel like it changed my life forever to a certain degree. And I'm not mad or angry. I just understand and looking at Robert's situation right now, my heart really goes out to him in regardless to what people think. At the end of the day, that's my brother and I. It ain't nothing I could do about it. It ain't nothing he could do about it. Who's my brother. It ain't nothing I could I could do about it, and nothing he could do about it. And to resist my sister, even though she did those things to us when we was kids, that's still my sister. And the way that I was raised. My mama always told us that, you know, the Bibles say that the truth shall set you free, So that's I'm cut from that cloth of you know, I'm gonna tell the truth and shame the devil. Yeah, so so now, uh, you know I got veiled on, we got veiled with us as well. I know he's you know, uh, he's been sitting in and I know, uh veiling you are our partners, business partners or whatever. Vill from your perspective because you use the same backup with with R Kelly, Right, that's that's okay. So what is your thought? Oh? What? What? What? What have you learned watching this unfold and being you know, close to to Carrie and you know, being the backup singer for R Kelly Robert and uh, you know what what did you learn throughout this? What have you seen? Mostly with maturity comes understanding. We were all young touring the world and I got to experience more of R Kelly than I did Rob, So I have a little different perspective, uh than Killer being his brother. So I experienced R. Kelly at the height of his career on the twelve Play tour. That's where I met Killer. Uh, and Rob got to hang out with them, and I've seen the dynamic and I'm just gonna be honest that there are namics between the two weren't good. He treated his brother, he kind of like a stepping Stone compared to everybody else who was employed by him. I think because they had a brother relationship that he didn't value what carry really brought to the table. He didn't pay him equal. And these are things that I'm saying. I'm not saying them to to tear our Kelly down. Just you know, it's truth, the truths to set your free. So these are the things that I saw. There was lacking in the relationship. So you know, they would constantly be in it because Killer wasn't a pushover. Killer didn't care. He was a superstar. His money couldn't shut Killer Killer up. So a lot of times Killer would get kicked off the tour, they get into it. Killer would stand up to him say, hey, you're wrong, you're wrong. Robbed it. You know, that's where the control thing came and robbed itn't want anybody telling them he's wrong. And so I experienced I experienced that and doing the rift. You know, I was in Cleveland, And to be honest with you, you know this affected Killer financially because you know, he was touring and when he would get kicked off the tour, he wouldn't have any where to make money. So he ended up in Cleveland. I think Rob paid up his rent in the Americana hotels there in Cleveland and euclid for like six months, and after that he was on his own. There was a time where Killer was sleeping in the sleeping in his car, he was sleeping in abandoned buildings in the wintertime, and I told him just come to Cleveland. I got you. And that's where we, you know, formed the connects. And he became my brother. I know, you know, he was lacking a brother. He had a brother, but it wasn't really a brother relationship. So we became closer and we became brothers, and I became his keeper, and that we've been connected for almost thirty years now, and so I've been on this roller coaster ride with him. I've been with him where he was angry, he was lashing out, and it's come full circle to the book where you know, we're looking at things with mature odds now and trying to understand what happened and why Rob is in the situation that he's in, and a lot of it is because of childhood, is because a lot of people who are around him that were just there for a paycheck and didn't care what was going on and turned the blind eye to some things instead of standing up to him and saying, hey, this was wrong. We had it down the wrong way, you know. And that was Killer, you know what I'm saying. But anybody that did that, Rob threw pretty much threw him away. So you know, I've been full circle with Killer. We call him Killer carry for the last thirty years. He's been my brother and I've hired his back, I've supported him, you know, and it's it's a blessing to see that all the struggles he went through weren't in vain. He has a story to tell. It's a powerful story just about his brother, it's about the whole family dynamic and challenges that families face. Whether you're in the hood or whether you tour in the world, we're all the same. And so it's come full circle and the book is really really powerful. It's available on Amazon and the audible book will be available next next week sometime, so everybody can find it on Amazon. That's dope a veil. I want you to stay right there, Carrie. I don't want you to go nowhere. Listen. I got my main man, Dwayne Evans from doing better than Excellent, the nonprofit that focus on domestic violence. He's joined the conversation. Just want to tap in with him real quick and to talk about this serious, serious issue in our community. We'll be right back for of the Jeff Brown Shoe with Coco Brew. This is the Jeff Brown Show and we're back in. We're back my man, Dwayne Nevers from Doing Better Than Next and the nonprofit that focus on domestic violence. You know, Dwayne, you know I've been knowing you for almost Jesus almost thirty years. You actually alumni. Yeah, you're my alumni brother from Shaw High School. Big shout out to the class at nine and eight. Got my my lovely co host with me, Coco. This this gentleman here. Uh he also it's my classmate, like we had ep from the recipe, so we all graduated together. Okay, okay, Yeah, and uh Dwayne has a nonprofit that focused on domestic violence, and I just wanted to kind of give him some little space here, you know, to kind of talk about, uh, you know, what he's doing. You know, what did he need from the community to help support this call that has affected him. So let's let's get right into it. Dwayne First of all, you talk about your life watching your mom go through domestic violence, and am I correct about that? Correct? Yeah? And that was kind of the tallest in starting this nonprofit because you you actually lived it. You was in the same household, you watch you know someone that you know, you know someone abuse your mom, and and it was it was challenging. Hi cut, big shout out to you on doing this number one, number two as this is domestic violence Awareness month. Uh. I know that the interview short lived. But what is the main thing that you want people to understand, you know, and and and focus on and to remember when we talk about domestic violence. First off, again, thank you for allowing me the opportunity to be on the show and use your platform. You have been doing great things and I guess I greatly appreciate this opportunity. Appreciate you. Thank you. The biggest thing that I always explain to people about domestic violence is one Uh. Well, I asked the question first, like, what is domestic violence? Right? Ninety percent of people will say a man beating a woman, Right, That is not the case at all. Domestic violence is violence that starts at home. So to get you perspective and putting things into in a bigger platform. When you hear turns like domestic terrorism, what do you think of It's terrorism that starts at home in your home country. So what's more terrifying than domestic violence? Again, it is your people that's supposed to be living on you and caring for you and protecting you. But these are the ones that costs in the most harmed. Oh right, So I said, I I as you said, I used to explain to people, you know, I watched my mom go through this for seventeen years, you know. But then I realized, as I, you know, started to learn myself and actually develop and we're working on on the on the company and stuff like that, I understood that I didn't just watch her go through it, okay, as a kid growing up in it. It affected me in more voice than one because I I am a viral domestic vinus as well, because I'm not. I didn't just stand by watch I like like people do now and this videos tap it. I was in the middle of it, you know, I'm you know, my stet father jumped down my mind. I got to you know, protect my mind, right, that's what we're supposed to do. So I look at the scars to prove it. From when I got hit in the head with you know, two by four, I got a scroll over here when I get hit hit in the head with a hammer like for me, I explained to one of our other classmates recently that I felt ashamed of the things that I was going through at home. And that's why, you know, I always tell people the mask that we wear because nobody understood or knew why. You know, I didn't have friends growing up since elementary school. You know, howcome when I got to saw you know, I was in tenth grade and people were like, I remember to this decond it was funny to me. People like when I won Hong Kong ference, people were like, but you were in our class. I think, what's on every day? But because I started, I just started now great with everybody because I ain't. We moved around so much that people never knew me. I never took a time to know who I am or what I've been through. So my question to you is, now, because I know that's this is this is I need and I need to do a show dedicated to this because I know this is short lived. How can people connect with you? To tap into resources to help them deal with this. It was a couple of different ways. Again, you can follow me on social media, you know, uh DBX excellence at Instagram, on Facebook or on Twitter, or you can go to my website is ww dot uh dB excellence dot org. Again, I had all the information about our programs and classes and I'm events that we had come coming up and stuff like that great. And you know, also I got to give a big shout out to Amanda Williams, the young the hairstylist here in the city who was recently tragically killed. Her fiance allegedly shot her five times in a domestic violence dispute. And there's a lot of backlash coming because the county prosecutor said that there was not sufficient enough evidence to charge him. So there's a lot there's a major community hurting. But I also say this, you know, before you know, before I let you go, that Amanda is not the only one that has suffered a fatal death. You know, there was a report that came out in June of twenty of this year that said there was one hundred and twenty two fatalities related to domestic violence in the state of Alio. Alone, that is a major problem, and that probably hasn't that that that probably hasn't recorded everything or every other fatality that that we don't know about, you know what I'm saying. So with that said, Dwayne Man, I want to thank you for your platform. I want to thank you for what you're doing. Uh. The Jeff Brown Show supports what you're doing, and anything that we can do to help you get the message out, We're going to do that, man. And and let's remember let's keep the families of a man. Let's keep the family of Amanda Williams in prayer, and all those women and men who have suffered uh and they died, and children that have suffered and dealing with domestic violence. So thank you, d Wayne d Evans. I'm sorry d Evans for your your love and support. Brother. We appreciate you. Thank you. And again I want one and another thing I wanted to point out was like you said when I said women, it's not just women, its men and children. It was a case where in two thousand May twenty first, two thousand and five, I can tell you the exact date where this guy uh and him and his girl had got into it. So he burnt up the house and we had all the kids inside. So because of them, two are arguing the kids suffered so off their life in the house fire. The reason why I noticed, and I remember this day verily because the twenty second was my my wife's anniversary. Oh wow, my kids spost went over there, over there to her cousin in them house that night. But you know, again, a grace of God says no, no, let them go this time. We go next time because they didn't go that night. They're still laugh today. Wow, wow, wow, that's incredible. Man. Well, thank god they're alive. Thank god you alive. Thank God you made it. And listen, man, we lock into more work together back on the Okay, we get hit back on the show because I have so many questions, but I know we're under a time constraint. But are question for your brother. I commend you for what you're doing. I think age your problem with people not being able to rejection and things going extremely left when they don't happen. People know how to control their emotions when they should have be getting out stimulus checks. They should have been given out therapy. So I would love hopefull Jeff, we can get him back because I have so many questions for you, brother, but thank you for what you're doing. Yes, therapy, Yeah yeah, my man, A therapy is the new Gucci. I know that's right. Doing better than actually my man d Evans. Thank you brother. Hey, we'll be right back with more of the Jeff Brown Show. This is a Jeff Brown Show, and we're back, going back, going back. Man. I think my man d Evans from doing better than excellent. Remember your domestic violence is real. Make sure you all just you know, be safe out there. There's a lot going on again. Big shout out to the family of Amanda Williams, a beautiful woman that was recently killed through domestic violence. And it's just just it's just crazy, it's just insane. It actually shook up the whole damn city the impact of this woman's death, so uh, you know, let's just stay aware of that. Also tomorrow tonight, tonight, I will be hosting the breast cancer awareness event the Influencers Bar Night. Myself alone with Sam Silk and some of my friends were coming together to poor drinks and raise awareness for breast cancer. So makes you guys tap in with me at the four b stro located at four four five zero Mayfield Road, South yuk lit Ohio four four one two one. It's gonna be a good time one to thank my sponsor Swavacito Tequila and Drip Alkaline Water. So all that's gonna be dope with that said man man Coco. We had a great, great interview to day with my man Carrie Kelly. I wish we could go all day long, but we can't. But today was just great. Carrie. I just thank you for your sir. Yeah, yeah, we definitely need part sir. I'm just put yeah, we definitely. I want to thank you. Yeah, I want to. I want to thank you Carrie and Veil for this. So as we're end the show, Carrie, if you can sum it up and just you know, and I must say a minute thirty right, what is one thing that you want the listeners to remember and take away as as it relates to uh, your from your perspective, something that's positive? You know, we we signed so much light on the negative. What is what is a what's the positive thought that you want people to remember about this family and your talent and your gifting, your wonderful mother and and and the matred and you know the matre matriarchs and the patriots or your family that that that set the tone for your family. What is it that you want people to remember and know? Well, I want to say to the people, the good people that's in the world, and everybody. If everybody got family, not if everybody has family, everybody came or derived from somewhere. If you love your family and you're supposed to, and your family love you and they're supposed to, don't make the same mistakes that we did. Because sometimes when that happens, it's hard to get it back on the right track because the chain of events, some can become unforgivable, unforgiving people behold on to things and and and and and don't let it go. And then we only got one life to live. So if you have an opportunity to mend things together with your family and the people that you love and do do so, please do so, Please do so before it's too late. Wow, I got I gotta I gotta throw this in here man, and and and and I'm end the show. Tell me one thing that if you had an opportunity to talk to your brother, what would you say to him? Right now? I would actually say to Robert that we are straight away from mama's teachings and our grandmother's teachings. But it's not too late for us to get it right because we are six feet above the ground. Wow. But there you have it, man, my man, Carrie, Kelly, Karen, where Hey, I love it, Carrie. Where can the people get the book at Man? They can get the book on Amazon and Kindle, Kendle. Amazon is going to be on a couple of other platforms in a few days. The audio book will be available probably by next week. And again the name of the book is called The Kelly Chronicles, Volume one, Lord, forgive us all. There's many more volumes to come. Y'all, Wow, veil. I want to thank you, brother. I want to take your veil. Hey, you more than welcome. Hey. I want to say this. This is what we do before we end the show. I do a segment called the last segment is always called what did you learn? Coco? What did you learn today? There's always two sides for every story. Wow, Bill, what did you learn today? Brother? I learned that the Jeff Brown Show is hot. I love the chair that you gave carry Kelly, because it is a sensitive topic. It's not easy exposing family tragedies, family secrets. And you know, the more the more that we do. So it's our healing is in that, you know what I'm saying. And healing is in the truth. So that's what I learned today from being on the Jeff Brown Show and listening to Carrie's interview. Wow, Carrie, what did you learn today? Man? I learned today that God is more realer every day that I wake up every day, that He allow us to wake up because there's millions and millions of people that didn't wake up this morning, okay. And I learned that God still has great people such as yourself, such as Coco, such as Veil in this world. It's still great people in this world so long as we know that we have a chance to change for the better. And that's what it's about. And I thank you, brother, I really do. And yes you are you were the exclusive interview, Yes, yes you were. Well. I appreciate that. Let me tell you what I learned today. I learned today that God does specializes in second chances. And I pray that as you continue to find your journey, brother, as you continue to evolve into the greatness that God has in your life. Man, I just pray that you continue to embrace this grace and mercy that God has given you. And I'm also praying for your brother because your brother is gifted and he's talented, and he's annoying it and I'm just praying that God would keep him and that God will encourage him where he is at this very moment. So with that said, hey, y'all, listen makes you guys, go subscribe on iHeart, Spotify, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your podcast on your favorite listening to advice. Big shout out to my people out there in Rhythm one O five and Sacramento at Rhythm one O five point nine. That's him, Edgar Nebraska Hits ninety point five. I appreciate all y'all. Love y'all, Love y'all, listen. God loves you. I love you, and there's nothing in the world you can do about it. Coco, We all baby, Yeah, yea we are baby. Hey, pleas y'all. Pa. This has been a presentation of the FCB podcast Network, where Real Talk lives Visitors online at Fcbpodcasts dot com.
